Finally encountered a gay hater

[Farvacola]

Originally posted by: Attrox

Originally posted by: Farvacola
I guess theres only one thing to do......find all the bigots and hateful people, put em on a big boat, and sink it.

LOL isn't that a hateful thing to do too?

Hey, the end result is worth the means.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: JDub02
for all the homos

I'd like to know why anyone who doesn't agree with the homosexual agenda/lifestyle is automatically a bigot and a "homophobe"?

I don't approve of being gay, but that doesn't mean I hate anyone for it.

Think about the heterosexual agenda/lifestyle. What is it? Why is it that heterosexuals have a life, but homosexuals have a "lifestyle"?

Most people, I think, who disapprove of being gay do so for heterosexist or religious fundamental reasons, both of which I think are born out of fear. Hence the phobia of homophobe.

This is a long long disscussion.


Edit: i'll add more. The assumption seems to be that homosexuality is this new born deivance from "nature"/norm. I don't think it is. Homosexuality has been around a long time. Just has been a much bigger "nono" than now.

The fear is of change, or something that is different or not well understood IMO. Heterosexual gender roles have been traditionally very well defined. That's being challenged with changing social norms. Change is scary. I'll admit to that.

It's a lifestyle when you factor in the belief that homosexuality is a choice.

And there is an agenda in place to make the lifestyle acceptable .. to shove it down our throats, pardon the pun.

So hetersexuality is a choice also?

And if by agenda you mean not being discriminated against needlessly, then I guess everybody in the world has an agenda to make their "lifestyle" acceptable. I drink coffee and some people avoid me because my breath stinks, so I guess I'm also guilty of jamming my "coffee agenda" down everybody's throats.


Edit: and I see what you're saying, some people are dramatic about it. As is with every group though. Feminists, gays, christian fundamentalists, pot smokers, cigarette smokers, liberals, conservatives, etc... some people just shout instead of speak.

No, heterosexuality is natural. Think about it. man + woman = babies .. life/next generation is created.

Now I don't think that people sit down one day and thing .. "Hey, I think I'll be gay". But I do think it's rooted in psychology rather than in genetics.

By "agenda", I mean trying to convince others to accept it as normal and natural when their core beliefs tell them otherwise ... gay demonstrations, court cases for gay marraige, etc. Much like abortion. The country is pretty divided (right around 50/50) on abortion, but the feminists refuse to have a debate on it. They circumvented the legislative process using the courts. That's what the homosexuals are trying to do now with the various court cases.

I believe and will continue to believe that homosexuality is wrong. That doesn't mean I'm out to lynch gay people. I really don't care what two consenting adults do in their private life .. but don't try to change the way I feel about it.

There is plenty of evidence to show that homosexuality, at least in part, is genetic, just like heterosexuality. If a man's identical twin is gay, then the chances that he will also be gay are 52%, if the gay twin is fraternal, the chances drop to 22% (Bailey and Pillard, 1991). LIkewise, a woman's chance of havin ga homosexual orientation is 48% if she has a lesbian identical twin, whereas if her gay twin is fraternal, the chances drop to 16% (Bailey, 1993). Clearly, the greater the similarity in genetic makeup, the greater the likelihood of fhaving the same sexual orientation.

Also a number of investigators have reported differences in brain structure between individuals with hertero and homosexual orientations. Simon Le Vay found that the hypothalmus of the brains of gay men were about the size typical for a heterosexual women.

I guess those facts aren't conclusive, but they point to the fact that homosexuality at least, in part, is genetic and partly environmental.

I cited studies to add some credibility to my numbers, not to sound like a dick, btw.

 

[Gatecrasher3]

speaking of homosexuals, look what canada did today
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/ser...3862_17?hub=topstories

 

[Squisher]

Interesting thread.


And, BTW

Originally posted by: JDub02
Now I don't think that people sit down one day and thing .. "Hey, I think I'll be gay". But I do think it's rooted in psychology rather than in genetics.

I think a some psychology is rooted in genetics.
We are not born tabula rasa

 

[Gatecrasher3]

i had a black woman tell me that she thought homosexuals were sickening and that homosexuality should be band.
i said to her "being a BLACK WOMAN you out of anyone should understand the importance of social change"
i guess we each had a point........

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: Gatecrasher3
i had a black woman tell me that she thought homosexuals were sickening and that she should join a gay band.
i said to her "being a BLACK WOMAN you out of anyone should understand the importance of social change"
i guess we each had a point........

fixed

 

[0roo0roo]

i dunno, but the gay incest of the corrs twins really turns me on

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i dunno, but the gay incest of the corrs twins really turns me on

:shocked: I never heard this, please elaborate. I hope one of them is Andrea because she is hot!

 

[SofaKing]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
It's been common knowledge I'm gay to my friends and everyone I encounter since July of 2003.

The dramatic coming out, the lost friends, the conflict didn't happen. Surpising? Maybe.

I had maybe 5 people even mention some uncomfortableness, but when they saw I wasn't going to tie them up and paint their nails and cover them with rainbows they were ok. I'm still good friends with everyone.

So for a long time not one single negative side effect.

Well, today I found them.

Two people refuse to associate with me because I'm gay. I'm not particularly devastated, but it's a slight disappointment there are still a few people who choose their friends based on criteria such as these.


I'm in Kansas City, Missouri. It's a pretty conservative area I suppose. I guess I figured I'd run across people like these sooner or later.

*shrug*

I feel so very sorry that there is still prejudism in this country. Why can't we treat homosexuals like regular humans? Those two guys were probably Christians. I'm almost sure of it.

 

[KoolAidKid]

Originally posted by: Attrox

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Ok, through this entire thread, I have not oncegave my opion on a person level, but since you have offered your honest feelings, I will do so in the hopes that we can understand one another...

........

I also think, however, that I should not be called a gay hater just because I am not a supporter. I think that NOT being in favor of something, doesnt automatically make one ANTI or hateful. I would prefer not to be called to take a side... and I know a lot of others who feel the same... because invaribly.. when that happens, and I do not come out on the PRO gay side, gay people think we are gay haters.

:thumbsup: Exactly like my opinion

Originally posted by: Attrox

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i dunno, but the gay incest of the corrs twins really turns me on

:shocked: I never heard this, please elaborate. I hope one of them is Andrea because she is hot!

I am confused. When you say that you aren't a gay supporter do you you really mean that you are not a supporter of gay men? You sure don't seem to have a problem with homosexual activity between women.

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: SofaKing


I feel so very sorry that there is still prejudism in this country. Why can't we treat homosexuals like regular humans? Those two guys were probably Christians. I'm almost sure of it.

I wouldn't label them as Christians. True Christians are some of the most accepting people on this earth.



to Zanix ... what I meant by using the legal system to circumvent the legislature is this ... it only takes 1 activist judge to grant special privilidges to a group. The majority of people in this country do not want gay marraige, yet one judge in MA made it OK in that state.

And here's my problem with supposed "gay rights" ... why should the rights of a homosexual be any different than my rights as a heterosexual.

This is something I've never been able to figure out. Everyone always wants to separate themselves into groups of self-proclaimed "victims". Why can't we all just be humans and Americans and all enjoy the same rights afforded to us by the Constitution?

Gays have the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else in this country, yet because many people do not accept that lifestyle, they feel like their supposed "rights" have been violated. People do not have the right to force others to believe as they do. People do not have the right to go through life without being offended.

 

[SofaKing]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: SofaKing


I feel so very sorry that there is still prejudism in this country. Why can't we treat homosexuals like regular humans? Those two guys were probably Christians. I'm almost sure of it.

I wouldn't label them as Christians. True Christians are some of the most accepting people on this earth.

I didn't say Christians weren't accepting. Homosexualism goes well against their own beliefs in the bible. (e.g., "Marriage is meant between a man and a woman." -not sure how it was actually written, but you get the point). Sorry, I've just come across some Christians who absolutely detest gays. For instance, a guy at my high school a few years ago would always bash gays, he'd write in his journal that "OMFG I WANNA SHOOT ALL THOSE DAMN GAYS, THEY STARTED AIDS (Which is most definitely NOT true), etc etc. I'm assuming that you're one of those more open-minded Christians. I'm glad there are people like you.

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: KoolAidKid

Originally posted by: Attrox

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Ok, through this entire thread, I have not oncegave my opion on a person level, but since you have offered your honest feelings, I will do so in the hopes that we can understand one another...

........

I also think, however, that I should not be called a gay hater just because I am not a supporter. I think that NOT being in favor of something, doesnt automatically make one ANTI or hateful. I would prefer not to be called to take a side... and I know a lot of others who feel the same... because invaribly.. when that happens, and I do not come out on the PRO gay side, gay people think we are gay haters.

:thumbsup: Exactly like my opinion

Originally posted by: Attrox

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i dunno, but the gay incest of the corrs twins really turns me on

:shocked: I never heard this, please elaborate. I hope one of them is Andrea because she is hot!

I am confused. When you say that you aren't a gay supporter do you you really mean that you are not a supporter of gay men? You sure don't seem to have a problem with homosexual activity between women.

It's just wishful thinking on my part as a straight man. Please don't think I support incest too.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: SofaKing

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: SofaKing


I feel so very sorry that there is still prejudism in this country. Why can't we treat homosexuals like regular humans? Those two guys were probably Christians. I'm almost sure of it.

I wouldn't label them as Christians. True Christians are some of the most accepting people on this earth.

I didn't say Christians weren't accepting. Homosexualism goes well against their own beliefs in the bible. How could they like gays?

Christians do not DISlike gays... they just believe that they are living sinfully.

 

[SofaKing]

Believe me, some Christians do.

 

[0roo0roo]

nice way to "dance" around fundamental dislike of gays really

its like me not disliking interracial marriages, i just consider their lifestyle abhorent and believe their souls will rot in hell.

 

[deftron]

Didn't you use to live in Richmond, VA ?

Anyways, KC isn't that bad as a hole ... It's a big city
which has it's own progressive group/neighborhoods like they all do.


Dont' forget, there's idiots everywhere ...

 

[JetBlack69]

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: Leaf

Two people refuse to associate with me because I'm gay. I'm not particularly devastated, but it's a slight disappointment there are still a few people who choose their friends based on criteria such as these.

And this is supposed to be a bad thing? Just because they don't want to give cheap relationships based on sexual desires their stamp of approval. Cos by pretending to be ok with it means you condone it.


for you.

am i the only one that understands this post? I think Leaf was referring to the "cheap relationship based on sexual desires" to refer to the friendship between these two people and the OP, not about the merits of Gay relationships.

to state it another way:
Some people don't want to give friendship because they disapporve of a person's sexual orientation. It's better that this is established rather than they pretend to be ok with it.

That's how I read it too. I think Leaf was talking about the cheap relationship between the 2 "friends" and the OP, not between the OP and his personal relationships.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

 

[Mandos]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: amdforever2
when they saw I wasn't going to tie them up and paint their nails and cover them with rainbows they were ok.

really?

/relaxes

lmfao

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Stay ouot of Vermont. People might be nice to your face, but even though f@gs can marry theer, they are DEEPLY HATED there.

 

[Boot Weasel]

I haven't read any posts so far in this thread that signify beliefs otherwise, but just because someone doesn't accept homosexuality doesn't mean they're bigoted. I personally don't think it's right because of my religious beliefs, but I do have a couple homosexual friends (guy and girl). They're nice people and I don't hesitate to become friends with other homosexuals, but I don't agree with their choice of lifestyle.

Point of thread: not accepting homosexuality doesn't make you a bigot. Capiche?

EDIT: Nor does it make one unenlightened or close-minded, for I've had a suppository and that feeling is definitely not enjoyable to me

 

[LtPage1]

F em. you dont need to know mfers like that.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
It's been common knowledge I'm gay to my friends and everyone I encounter since July of 2003.

The dramatic coming out, the lost friends, the conflict didn't happen. Surpising? Maybe.

I had maybe 5 people even mention some uncomfortableness, but when they saw I wasn't going to tie them up and paint their nails and cover them with rainbows they were ok. I'm still good friends with everyone.

So for a long time not one single negative side effect.

Well, today I found them.

Two people refuse to associate with me because I'm gay. I'm not particularly devastated, but it's a slight disappointment there are still a few people who choose their friends based on criteria such as these.


I'm in Kansas City, Missouri. It's a pretty conservative area I suppose. I guess I figured I'd run across people like these sooner or later.

*shrug*

Only two in a year and a half? I thought that just about everyone hated gays?

I'd associate with you, but if I dropped something, I probably woudn't pick it up.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: amdforever2
It's been common knowledge I'm gay to my friends and everyone I encounter since July of 2003.

The dramatic coming out, the lost friends, the conflict didn't happen. Surpising? Maybe.

I had maybe 5 people even mention some uncomfortableness, but when they saw I wasn't going to tie them up and paint their nails and cover them with rainbows they were ok. I'm still good friends with everyone.

So for a long time not one single negative side effect.

Well, today I found them.

Two people refuse to associate with me because I'm gay. I'm not particularly devastated, but it's a slight disappointment there are still a few people who choose their friends based on criteria such as these.


I'm in Kansas City, Missouri. It's a pretty conservative area I suppose. I guess I figured I'd run across people like these sooner or later.

*shrug*

Only two in a year and a half? I thought that just about everyone hated gays?

I'd associate with you, but if I dropped something, I probably woudn't pick it up.

I wouldn't put it like that, but I'm surprised that you encountered such little hate as an openly gay person. Idea: Move to SF