Finally encountered a gay hater

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: amdforever2
It's been common knowledge I'm gay to my friends and everyone I encounter since July of 2003.

The dramatic coming out, the lost friends, the conflict didn't happen. Surpising? Maybe.

I had maybe 5 people even mention some uncomfortableness, but when they saw I wasn't going to tie them up and paint their nails and cover them with rainbows they were ok. I'm still good friends with everyone.

So for a long time not one single negative side effect.

Well, today I found them.

Two people refuse to associate with me because I'm gay. I'm not particularly devastated, but it's a slight disappointment there are still a few people who choose their friends based on criteria such as these.


I'm in Kansas City, Missouri. It's a pretty conservative area I suppose. I guess I figured I'd run across people like these sooner or later.

*shrug*

Only two in a year and a half? I thought that just about everyone hated gays?

I'd associate with you, but if I dropped something, I probably woudn't pick it up.

I wouldn't put it like that, but I'm surprised that you encountered such little hate as an openly gay person. Idea: Move to SF

People don't want to associate with other people for a variety of reasons that are based on poor criteria.

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: SofaKing


I feel so very sorry that there is still prejudism in this country. Why can't we treat homosexuals like regular humans? Those two guys were probably Christians. I'm almost sure of it.

I wouldn't label them as Christians. True Christians are some of the most accepting people on this earth.



to Zanix ... what I meant by using the legal system to circumvent the legislature is this ... it only takes 1 activist judge to grant special privilidges to a group. The majority of people in this country do not want gay marraige, yet one judge in MA made it OK in that state.

And here's my problem with supposed "gay rights" ... why should the rights of a homosexual be any different than my rights as a heterosexual.

This is something I've never been able to figure out. Everyone always wants to separate themselves into groups of self-proclaimed "victims". Why can't we all just be humans and Americans and all enjoy the same rights afforded to us by the Constitution?

Gays have the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else in this country, yet because many people do not accept that lifestyle, they feel like their supposed "rights" have been violated. People do not have the right to force others to believe as they do. People do not have the right to go through life without being offended.

In response to your first paragraph: let me ask you this, Democracy means government by the people, not majority rule. There is a difference there, I think. If some laws arn't including or are excluding some group of people, is our country really operating as a democracy? Is it ethical to use a governmentaly recognized title/position as a reinforcement to a social norm? Shouldn't everyone have a shot at "equality"? Some couples are viewed as nothing, because their "lifestyle" is not right. Now say what you will on weather or not you think it's right, but we shouldn't make people suffer because of a cerian way of life that isn't considered "normal".

Your second paragraph is good. Why are they different? Why aren't they allowed to get married or whathaveyou? That would be having the same rights right?

I agree that people like to get fussed up and point fingers. And I also wonder why we can't all be humans and enjoy the same rights declared in the constitution. There is an inequality in society, and that needs to be fixed.

I don't know if gays have the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Liberty is the condition of being free from restriction or control. When two girls or two guys quick kiss eachother at a resturant or something, it may gross me out/make me mad, etc... but is it harming me? At the most it might be "mind tresspassing" for stepping on my brain with different ideas. There was a time when blacks couldn't marry whites. Now that's recognized as a form of social control. Just the opposite of liberty.

People do not have the right to force others to believe as they do. People do not have the right to go through life without being offended.

Well said. I don't have the right to not get offened. It may happen. And if I don't like it, I do have the right to go somewhere else. And if people thinking that homosexuality is wrong, they don't have the right to use the government to force others to believe as they do; With such things as a disfranchisement of social position meaning together or married.


To Karen_Marie: I feel the same way about alot of the stuff you've said. Although I think that we need to come together to support what america is: a great democracy. I think that not speaking up for a group that is being misrepresented in our government is letting our government waste away from what it means. I may not agree with their position, but they arn't a malicious group harming people or anything. And because of that I think they're entitled to be recoginized, civil union or marriage or whatever.

 

[amdforever2]

I kinda got behind with keeping up with the thread.

Anyways, I call them gay haters because of the phrasing of their opinions.

My roomate is straight, and he'll ask people to come over or whatever.

Upon learning that I'm gay, these two decided to decline with:

"You live with a i love you? You're not queer are you? Anyways, I'm not hanging out with a bunch of faggots. Bye."

Similiarly,

"Your roomates gay? Fvck that, I'm not coming over there to get fvcked in the ass"




To Viper GTS:

Drug users and criminals make a choice to have "undesirable" behavior. I'm afraid that I can't exactly stop being gay. I can arguably choose to be a flamer or not, and I'm not.

 

[cherrytwist]

Speaking of gay haters and KC:

My buddy and I were in KC drinking one night, walking along Country Club Plaza. We went down an alley to take a leak.

About halfway down the alley, we noticed a group of 3 guys following us. We stopped, unzipped and were about to do our business. I'm beginning to watch them as they come closer, and notice one of them is carrying a bat or pipe or something similar, about 3 feet long.

When they realized what we were doing, they stopped moving towards us.

My buddy asked them "what's up?"

They said, "oh man, it's cool. We thought you were a couple of f@gs."

Yikes. :Q

They turned around and left.

This was around 1990 btw.

 

[skyking]

About this "coming out" thing............
WTF?
Who's business is your personal life? I know who is and who isn't, and I see those that go on blissfully ignorant of these kinds of things. They have no "gaydar", nor are they observant in many respects.
I'd quickly lose respect for ANYONE who made a show of coming out or some sort of "dialog" betweeen someone in front of someone just to establish that they were homosexual.
To me, it is such a big "so what??" thing, that any sort of coming out seems pretty weak, IMO.
Someone asks about your girlfriend? Big deal, you don't have one. Right then and there, they have crossed the line into your personal life, gay or not. It is up to you to either set them straight or put them off for crossing the line into your personal life.

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: cherrytwist
Speaking of gay haters and KC:

My buddy and I were in KC drinking one night, walking along Country Club Plaza. We went down an alley to take a leak.

About halfway down the alley, we noticed a group of 3 guys following us. We stopped, unzipped and were about to do our business. I'm beginning to watch them as they come closer, and notice one of them is carrying a bat or pipe or something similar, about 3 feet long.

When they realized what we were doing, they stopped moving towards us.

My buddy asked them "what's up?"

They said, "oh man, it's cool. We thought you were a couple of f@gs."

Yikes. :Q

They turned around and left.

This was around 1990 btw.

Man that's boggling. There's few reasons why I'd beat the life from somebody, obviously being gay isn't one of them.

I can understand how people are not for homosexuality, even people who are all out against it, but I have a real hard time figuring out what would drive somebody to fvck another person up with a heavy metal object. Even if you viewed homosexuality as the abomination of the planet, it seems like it's still a big step to all out destroying somebody for that. Fear. Asserting control. Anti-liberty. Man... it's not like a Nazi uprising; this group of people isn't trying to usurp the country. I don't think, at least.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
im not gay but i have no probs what so ever.....3 of my friiends are gay tho not all together......tho scary thing is ive had 2 gay people try to come on to me which was abit :S for me but they get the message when i show them a pic of my girlfriend and everythings fine again....theyre all jus quality people

For soe reason, reading those sentenses makes me think of Dr. Suess.

jus realised the ever anf together rhyme

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Zanix
In response to your first paragraph: let me ask you this, Democracy means government by the people, not majority rule. There is a difference there, I think. If some laws arn't including or are excluding some group of people, is our country really operating as a democracy? Is it ethical to use a governmentaly recognized title/position as a reinforcement to a social norm? Shouldn't everyone have a shot at "equality"? Some couples are viewed as nothing, because their "lifestyle" is not right. Now say what you will on weather or not you think it's right, but we shouldn't make people suffer because of a cerian way of life that isn't considered "normal".

The US is *NOT* a Democracy, we are a Republic, very big difference. Who told you otherwise?

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Zanix
In response to your first paragraph: let me ask you this, Democracy means government by the people, not majority rule. There is a difference there, I think. If some laws arn't including or are excluding some group of people, is our country really operating as a democracy? Is it ethical to use a governmentaly recognized title/position as a reinforcement to a social norm? Shouldn't everyone have a shot at "equality"? Some couples are viewed as nothing, because their "lifestyle" is not right. Now say what you will on weather or not you think it's right, but we shouldn't make people suffer because of a cerian way of life that isn't considered "normal".

The US is *NOT* a Democracy, we are a Republic, very big difference. Who told you otherwise?

... .and to the republic, for which it stands... so we elect people to represent us. I'm no political science major or anything, but I think the big difference between democracy and republic is that with the republic, we've elected people to represent us, instead of taking part personally. In both, the power ultimatly lies with the people, right?

"A republican form of government, or properly termed, our Constitutional Republic, was one of the guards against a segment of society, a faction, from dictating their whims to the rest of society, this is what Alexander Hamilton was warning against when he stated regarding democracies, "Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity." Another guard against factions that was built into our system of government is our Electoral College."

Interesting discussion here.


With what I ment, republic would have worked where I put democracy, I think. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.


Thanks for keeping me sharp too, btw. Time for a drink.

 

[Conky]

I suppose haters can be gay too.

 

[cheapgoose]

when you say asscoiate, do you mean they won't befriend you, or they won't talk to you period?

if it's the first one, i don't see what the problem is. there's nothing wrong with not associating with someone because of some reason. we all do it. as long as they don't go out of the way to mess with you or deny you something you have a right to. their friend ship is not something you're entitled to.

now if these guys are so close minded that they won't even talk to you, then yes, they are as$hats. and I'm sorry you had to experience that.

 

[Zanix]

where't they go...




!!!!!

 

[BadNewsBears]

Your gay?


LETS BEAT HIM !!!


YAH!!! NO GAYS LETS BEAT EM!!!














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[imthebadguy]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
pardon me if this sounds ignorant, but what would be so bad about keeping your orientation to yourself?

I had a gay roomate for 9 months and he never felt the need to tell me and I never felt the need to pry. I was the last person to "know." I don't see what's so wrong with that.

im down with the dont ask dont teill...

 

[CrowBarr]

I simply look at it this way. You are who you are. You have every right to be open about it if you wish. If people want to judge you for who you are, that's their business. You don't need people like that in your life anyhow, do you? I am of the belief that the world is filled with enough ugliness on it's own without having to create more. Be you, be cool.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Attrox

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i dunno, but the gay incest of the corrs twins really turns me on

:shocked: I never heard this, please elaborate. I hope one of them is Andrea because she is hot!

ack ack ack!! corrs coors corrs coors CORRS COORS!! damnit i mixed em up.. i meant coors. although the through of corrs sisters going at it still does turn me on

amusing overanalysis of the twins thang by a woman
http://archive.salon.com/sex/f...30/coors/index_np.html

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