Finally got my Ryzen 2400G APU up and running, overclocked, nice and snappy!

[VirtualLarry]

I know, at this point, you might think that I'm slightly biased, but I honestly think that my 2400G is MUCH faster than my i3-8100 ITX rig.

The 2400G is plugged into a Gigabyte B350M Gaming 3 (micro-ATX), with a SINGLE Corsair Vengeance DDR4-2667, running at XMP 2933, CPU clock 3900Mhz (Turbo is 3.9Ghz, so I figured a fixed 3900Mhz OC was doable), iGPU clock set to 1250Mhz (1400 would boot Windows, but sometimes the BIOS boot logo wouldn't show?), voltages left on Auto, CPU-Z reports CPU core voltage at 1.440V sometimes, HWMonitor shows 65C, under CPU-Z Bench, rising so far to 72C, and just keeps rising. That's what I get for using the stock 65W heatsink.

Edit: I stopped Bench when HWMonitor was showing 79C for Package Temp. Ouch.

I don't think that this case will take one of my water-cooling kits, either. These APUs would do well under water, I think. At least, I didn't seem to be power-limited? I wasn't stressing CPU + iGPU at the same time though.

Both 2400G and i3-8100 has PCI-E M.2 SSDs, the 2400G has an Intel 600p 256GB,the i3-8100 has a
Samsung SM951 128GB.

Will do some formal browser benchmarks tomorrow.

 

[daveybrat]

Well the 2400G has SMT for 8 threaded processing and Vega graphics. So it should be faster than a 4-Core cpu with Intel graphics.

Look forward to your benchmarks. Thinking about getting a 2400G myself.

 

[whm1974]

I've been eyeing the 2400G myself in case I would have to build another system, even if it is for a friend.

 

[.vodka]

Well, Larry, you can always delid that 2400G and apply liquid metal TIM, you'll see a 10-15°C drop with no increase in overclocking abilities if you don't feel comfortable with the temperatures.

It might save you from going to a WC solution.

 

[Peter Watts]

Too expensive... You can buy a 6c/12t 1600 for two tenners more... I might buy it when they drop the price.

 

[Shmee]

Why only 1 DIMM? I would think dual channel would help a lot on Ryzen, especially with an APU.

 

[whm1974]

Too expensive... You can buy a 6c/12t 1600 for two tenners more... I might buy it when they drop the price.

But with the 1600, you will need a video card, while with the 2400G you don't.

 

[Peter Watts]

But with the 1600, you will need a video card, while with the 2400G you don't.

A dedicated dGPU even a used one, will be 10x better than the vega 11 graphics. But sure there's enough reasons to be find use for an APU, especially for a small form factor htpc for instance.

But in a full fledged desktop for that price?

Thing is the 2400G is priced to closely to the 1600, and should have been 130-140 dollars instead.

 

[whm1974]

A dedicated dGPU even a used one, will be 10x better than the vega 11 graphics. But sure there's enough reasons to be find use for an APU, especially for a small form factor htpc for instance.

But in a full fledged desktop for that price?

Thing is the 2400G is priced to closely to the 1600, and should have been 130-140 dollars instead.

True but with current prices dGPUs, even used ones are going for fat more then they are worth. Which is why many people are looking at the 2400G.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Why only 1 DIMM? I would think dual channel would help a lot on Ryzen, especially with an APU.

Because.... when I was up really late at night ordering parts off of Newegg on ebay, I bought an "8GB kit" of Corsair RAM for $95, thinking it was a good price. Only after I received it, did I realize... I ordered a single 8GB DIMM, and not a 2x4GB kit. Sigh.

The Red color pretty-much exactly matches the DIMM slot color and theme of the Gaming 3 mobo though.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Too expensive... You can buy a 6c/12t 1600 for two tenners more... I might buy it when they drop the price.

But then you have to buy a dGPU. And if you want to buy new (even if you buy used), they are going for insanely-inflated prices. I mean, $250 for a GTX1050ti? You've got to be kidding me!

(And it's not just mining, mining profits with NiceHash are 1/4 of what they were in Jan., and prices on video cards haven't dropped back down proportionally, so I believe in the supply-side issues with GPU allocations at TSMC, and GDDR5 RAM supplies.)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Thing is the 2400G is priced to closely to the 1600, and should have been 130-140 dollars instead.

I might have agreed with that, had I paid list price, but list price is $169, but with the 20% ebay coupon last week, it made it something like $135, which I thought was way more reasonable, and that I was unlikely to see that kind of pricing again until Ryzen 2200G/2400G were obsolete.

Edit: But, btw, I have my 2400G OCed to 3.9Ghz, whereas I have my R5 1600 at stock, which turbos to 3.4Ghz all-core.

So, in practical usage, if you're willing to OC the 2400G, which requires less cooling, slightly, than the R5 1600, then it does provide a slightly "snappier" experience, for browsing and stuff. (You can OC the R5 1600 too, on the stock cooler, but I've found that less satisfying, unless you're under water.)

 

[Hans Gruber]

I might have agreed with that, had I paid list price, but list price is $169, but with the 20% ebay coupon last week, it made it something like $135, which I thought was way more reasonable, and that I was unlikely to see that kind of pricing again until Ryzen 2200G/2400G were obsolete.

Edit: But, btw, I have my 2400G OCed to 3.9Ghz, whereas I have my R5 1600 at stock, which turbos to 3.4Ghz all-core.

So, in practical usage, if you're willing to OC the 2400G, which requires less cooling, slightly, than the R5 1600, then it does provide a slightly "snappier" experience, for browsing and stuff. (You can OC the R5 1600 too, on the stock cooler, but I've found that less satisfying, unless you're under water.)

Larry, everybody knows you have deep pockets and spare no expense when it comes to computer gear. I have been looking at the AMD APU's simply for a garage system. I have a Ryzen 1200 and with the latest MSI bios update that supports the AMD APU. The memory problems a thing of the past.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Larry, everybody knows you have deep pockets and spare no expense when it comes to computer gear.

LOL. Not quite true. I am just a computer / tech / hardware addict, and I economize / ignore other parts of my life, to feed my "hardware habit".

If that were literally true, then I would own either a ThreadRipper or a Skylake-X or both. @Markfw and @AdamK47 are likely in that category, but definitely not me, I'm on a fixed income.

I have been looking at the AMD APU's simply for a garage system. I have a Ryzen 1200 and with the latest MSI bios update that supports the AMD APU. The memory problems a thing of the past.

I'm not sure why one would switch from a R3 1200 to a 2200G, if you've already bought and installed a dGPU (required for Ryzen CPUs).

If you do though, let me know what you think. I would have only gotten the 2200G, but on ebay, Newegg isn't selling it, and the cheapest you can get it for from a legit dealer, is $118, which, with the 20% discount, only just brings it down to what Newegg is selling it for on their site. So I grabbed the 2400G to take better advantage of the discount, plus, I wanted the extra SMT grunt, which IMHO is worth it on Ryzen CPU/APUs.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Too expensive... You can buy a 6c/12t 1600 for two tenners more... I might buy it when they drop the price.

Yea, I have been saying that all along, but the 2400 seems more popular, at least among forum members. 2400 is a great value compared to skylake, but now it is bracketed above and below by better values (2200 and 1600) from AMD. And when cheap motherboards come out, it will also face stiff competition from the 8400, which can be used without a dgpu until prices return to normal.

 

[Kenmitch]

A dedicated dGPU even a used one, will be 10x better than the vega 11 graphics. But sure there's enough reasons to be find use for an APU, especially for a small form factor htpc for instance.

But in a full fledged desktop for that price?

Thing is the 2400G is priced to closely to the 1600, and should have been 130-140 dollars instead.

I'd agree a dGPU would be better. 10x seems like a stretch too me....I couldn't find any reviews with a 2400G or GT 1030 vs a GTX 1080 Ti @4k so I could be wrong.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Well. I don't think he meant 10x literally, just an expression. I agree with him though that if you plan to eventually add a 1050 or higher dgpu a hex core cpu is a better way to go.

 

[PG]

For cooling see ebay item 323086322322. No, I'm not the seller.

That is the original Wraith, minus the shroud with light, and minus the fancy sleeved wires. Neither is important in terms of function or cooling. It has a 92mm fan where the old Phenom II heatsinks have a 70m fan so it's pretty quiet. This Wraith does a good job and is pretty cheap. Ryzen users are trying to sell their Wraith Spire coolers on ebay for $30 to $35 and those are not any better than this Wraith in performance.

Single channel does really handicap Raven Ridge, so yes, save up for another identical stick of RAM.

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Ryzen-5-2400G-Memory-Speed-Performance-Analysis

"While lower-end system builders can get away with the usually cheaper Single DIMM option on other platforms, that's simply not the case for gamers looking to really take advantage of the graphics on their R5 2400G."


I think the 2400G is a good value.
If I look at Micro Center pricing, the 1400 is $129.99 and the 2400G is 169.99, so you can look at it as the GPU being $40.
You can't get any dGPU for $40 that will do anything besides basic 2D output. The cheapest GT 1030 at Micro Center is $89.99. If you are lucky you might find an old Kepler card for $50 to $80 but those typically need 2 pci-e power connectors which means a pretty beefy power supply and lots of heat to deal with.
One chip that does it all without sucking down massive amounts of power is nice.

 

[chrisjames61]

A dedicated dGPU even a used one, will be 10x better than the vega 11 graphics. But sure there's enough reasons to be find use for an APU, especially for a small form factor htpc for instance.

But in a full fledged desktop for that price?

Thing is the 2400G is priced to closely to the 1600, and should have been 130-140 dollars instead.

What does the video card being used or not have to do with its performance? Also a good used card will set you back at least $100 just to get something from 2011 that is decent. Also where on earth are you getting 10x better performance? Out of the seat of your pants?

 

[Peter Watts]

What does the video card being used or not have to do with its performance? Also a good used card will set you back at least $100 just to get something from 2011 that is decent. Also where on earth are you getting 10x better performance? Out of the seat of your pants?

It's called a figure of speech...

 

[chrisjames61]

It's called a figure of speech...

I call it hyperbole or exaggeration to be quite honest.

 

[Peter Watts]

I call it hyperbole or exaggeration to be quite honest.

You didn't call it those, before i indicated it was a figure of speech.... But yeah we all have our own opinions, and ours happen to differ severely....

 

[Hans Gruber]

LOL. Not quite true. I am just a computer / tech / hardware addict, and I economize / ignore other parts of my life, to feed my "hardware habit".

If that were literally true, then I would own either a ThreadRipper or a Skylake-X or both. @Markfw and @AdamK47 are likely in that category, but definitely not me, I'm on a fixed income.


I'm not sure why one would switch from a R3 1200 to a 2200G, if you've already bought and installed a dGPU (required for Ryzen CPUs).

If you do though, let me know what you think. I would have only gotten the 2200G, but on ebay, Newegg isn't selling it, and the cheapest you can get it for from a legit dealer, is $118, which, with the 20% discount, only just brings it down to what Newegg is selling it for on their site. So I grabbed the 2400G to take better advantage of the discount, plus, I wanted the extra SMT grunt, which IMHO is worth it on Ryzen CPU/APUs.

They Ryzen 1200 machine is upstairs and that has a 7950 graphics card and 3200mhz ram albeit only 8GB. That computer has water cooling and the plan was to upgrade to a 1600 when the prices comes down. That was my AMD test machine after 10 years without building any AMD based systems.

The garage PC will be a 4560 type system. Also the Ryzen 1200 could be moved from the upstairs machine to the garage machine. I was looking at the bottom AMD GPU $99 as a possible garage machine.

 

[Burpo]

Currently at $150 on NewEgg & refurb/open box B350 board, and a 2X4Gb kit gets pretty close to my $300 budget.. Tempting

 

[VirtualLarry]

Currently at $150 on NewEgg & refurb/open box B350 board, and a 2X4Gb kit gets pretty close to my $300 budget.. Tempting

Do Eeeeit, Burpo! Try out the AMD Kool-Aid. It's much better than the Blue stuff.

But seriously, so far, once I got the mobo in question flashed up to the most recent released BIOS (the Gigabyte B350 Gaming 3 mATX board), the 2400G has been pretty great. Oh yeah, for best results, install a FRESH copy of Win10 64-bit 1709. There were some YouTubers indicating that they had teething problems when using a Win10 1703 that was upgraded to 1709, and some other issues. (I think GamersNexus has a good vid on that.)