firefighter arrested responding to accident

[brainhulk]

http://www.cbs8.com/story/24637357/chp-handcuffs-firefighter-in-dispute-at-crash-scene?clienttype=generic&smartdevicecgbypass

So we have both officers and firefighters on A.T. right? Who screwed up here?

 

[HN]

if going just on this:

the firefighter and CHP officer got in a dispute over where the fire engine should park, while firefighters were responding to the crash that

then i'd say the officer was wrong. if the firefighters are responding and treating injuries, they should be able to park where the fck they want during the situation.

 

[DesiPower]

Officer is in for a rough ride, I am sure he's a low life

 

[waggy]

this is just like the same thing that happened a few years ago. A CHP officer ordered a firefighter to move a truck. they refused. firefighter got arrested.

firefighter then sued police officer. Police officer lost something to the tune of 19k

on a scene of a accident listen to the firefighter. they are trying to save lives and protect themselves.

the officer was way out of line for asking to move the truck then arresting him.

 

[Jeeebus]

Same thing happened a few years ago - I remember seeing the video on YouTube. Thought for sure this was just old news, but I guess (stupid) history repeats itself.

 

[Krazy4Real]

Wow... what the hell is wrong with the officer?

 

[Red Squirrel]

How dare that fire fighter continue to help people, instead of moving his truck. 10 years!

This is really sad, just comes to show just how much of a mafia the US police system has turned into. Common sense was for that fire fighter to finish his work, and if that truck really had to be moved he could have done it after, but when cops ask something, it better be NOW or else. "To serve and protect" my ass, more like, "you shall comply to our authority, ask no questions". Hopefully he does not get too much of a sentence for that, or ends up getting off.

 

[Lithium381]

Obey and Comply.

Police officers can NOT take no for an answer in any circumstances.
Police officers MUST initiate and escalate force to obtain the desired results.
Police officer safety is the primary concern.

 

[brainhulk]

Do you guys think the firefighter could have placed the engine in an unsafe spot? Would that be a justified reason to arrest him?

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Do you guys think the firefighter could have placed the engine in an unsafe spot? Would that be a justified reason to arrest him?

I don't think so. Maybe a fine later, but the emergency comes first.

Also surprised no one mentioned that they called the passenger the 2nd driver.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Do you guys think the firefighter could have placed the engine in an unsafe spot? Would that be a justified reason to arrest him?

Unless he parked the engine on a busload of orphans, no. The firemen will do what is necessary to save/protect lives at the scene of an emergency and in that situation it's the job of the cops to direct traffic around the scene or completely away from the scene as needed.

 

[PliotronX]

I don't know about anyone else but in case of an emergency, it sure makes it easier for me to get around fire engines to ogle the ensuing emergency scene when they are parked in their properly designated area. I commend the officer for his bravery and sense of duty.

 

[CZroe]

Is Chula-Juana's FD part of San Diego's FD? I witnessed and was the first to respond to a roll-over accident just north of there on CA-163. At one time theirs was only the second jurisdiction in the country to charge out-of-town-ers for rescue services (other was some place in Texas, IIRC). Screw 'em, as long as it's not at the expense of those in need.

 

[mvbighead]

Obey and Comply.

Police officers can NOT take no for an answer in any circumstances.
Police officers MUST initiate and escalate force to obtain the desired results.
Police officer safety is the primary concern.

Lol. In a circumstance that does not involve other civil servants (if you want to call it that), this makes sense. But a police officer should not be working against a firefighter unless the firefighter initiates an attack on a person while performing his duties, or does something that is truly reason for being detained. Parking of the truck? I am sure they are trained to park the truck in such a way as to protect themselves and the victims of the accident. Moving the truck is likely not something he should be doing if they followed protocol to start with, which there is no reason to assume they didn't.

 

[hanoverphist]

while i think the cop was a bit wrong in this(as we know so far), what if he was asking a FF that wasnt directly involved in the rescue scene to move the truck enough to allow the back up of traffic to get by a bit, relieving a bunch of stress on people sitting there waiting? rescue is the FF focus, traffic safety and control is the cops focus. maybe a little tolerance on both sides would have kept the whole shabang from ending like this?

 

[waggy]

while i think the cop was a bit wrong in this(as we know so far), what if he was asking a FF that wasnt directly involved in the rescue scene to move the truck enough to allow the back up of traffic to get by a bit, relieving a bunch of stress on people sitting there waiting? rescue is the FF focus, traffic safety and control is the cops focus. maybe a little tolerance on both sides would have kept the whole shabang from ending like this?

nope.

the truck is parked in a way to PROTECT the FF and victims. releaving the traffic is NOT the issue at the time. saving lives and staying protected IS.

the police officer was wrong.

 

[Exterous]

while i think the cop was a bit wrong in this(as we know so far), what if he was asking a FF that wasnt directly involved in the rescue scene to move the truck enough to allow the back up of traffic to get by a bit, relieving a bunch of stress on people sitting there waiting? rescue is the FF focus, traffic safety and control is the cops focus. maybe a little tolerance on both sides would have kept the whole shabang from ending like this?

I am sure there are ways to handle inter department disputes other than arresting a firefighter at the scene of an accident

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Cop feeling good.

 

[edro]

Firefighters should have sprayed the cops.
It would have cooled the altercation.

 

[hanoverphist]

nope.

the truck is parked in a way to PROTECT the FF and victims. releaving the traffic is NOT the issue at the time. saving lives and staying protected IS.

the police officer was wrong.

like i said, its all about focus. the cop may have been trying to accomplish his job as well. if i were in the same situation, id have tried, but not gone to the lengths of arresting anyone. that was just dumb.

I am sure there are ways to handle inter department disputes other than arresting a firefighter at the scene of an accident

totally agree.

 

[Lithium381]

Lol. In a circumstance that does not involve other civil servants (if you want to call it that), this makes sense. But a police officer should not be working against a firefighter unless the firefighter initiates an attack on a person while performing his duties, or does something that is truly reason for being detained. Parking of the truck? I am sure they are trained to park the truck in such a way as to protect themselves and the victims of the accident. Moving the truck is likely not something he should be doing if they followed protocol to start with, which there is no reason to assume they didn't.

So then "civil servants" as you put it, are BETTER than non civil servants? They're afforded more leeway? Why would you draw a distinction? Indoctrination in your schooling was very effective.

Your quote : " unless the firefighter initiates an attack on a person while performing his duties, or does something that is truly reason for being detained."
Why would that not be applied to everyone?

 

[Jeeebus]

Same thing happened a few years ago - I remember seeing the video on YouTube. Thought for sure this was just old news, but I guess (stupid) history repeats itself.

This is the video I was talking about... Hey firefighter, move your truck so speeding cars can smash you and the victim as you pull her out! Respect my authoritay!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O0O0TaQBE0

 

[Gooberlx2]

Yep, I remember that. Event happened back in 2003, but the civil suit finished in 2008.

http://www.firerescue1.com/firefigh...for-apparatus-placement-awarded-17-500-in-Mo/

 

[MartyMcFly3]

I am sure there are ways to handle inter department disputes other than arresting a firefighter at the scene of an accident

This.

That being said, I can't tell you the number of times FD has made situations worse with the way they've parked (most of the time in a spot that makes no sense and doesn't make getting to their destination any quicker than parking in a normal/logical position). You just have to deal with it though.

 

[olds]

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