firefighter arrested responding to accident

[Lithium381]

No, I've not been conditioned. I know what their purpose is. When the situation warrants it, they are the authority. When the situation does not, they are simply someone else who is there.

Why do I need to question the status quo? Because you believe officers are trampling on people's rights? They've yet to trample on mine, and until they do I'll have nothing to fight them on. Pretty simple for me really. All that matters is when I enter a situation where an authority figure is managing whatever the situation may be, I am going to let them do their job and do what I am told, so long as it fits the letter of the law. I am certainly not going to give him $20 if he tells me to, as I would have no reason to do so. But if he asks me to leave a building where a brawl is going on, I will leave so that I do not end up as someone being cited for being involved in said brawl. It's pretty simple to me really.

Cops create situations where they are the authority even though it's possibly not warranted.

Hah brilliant. I've never been accosted by a cop, but i see what's going on. "so long as it fits the letter of the law". . . . like in Germany? Like the shooting of the wrong car (surfer) in LA last year? Like the beating death of kelly thomas in fullerton?

If he tells you to give him $20 or whatever cash you may have on you, you'd better do it because it's in accordance with the law. Have you heard of "civil asset forfeiture" look it up if you haven't you'll be shocked..... completely legal. You're just a complacent pawn in their game.

If there is a brawl i don't need someone to tell me to GTFO... i'm a manlet i'd probably get hurt in there

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Yes, I ask people for money all the time when I'm working. I also beat people to death and shoot at them whenever possible.

Seriously? You're just trolling now.

 

[OutHouse]

Lithium381 damn dude stfu.

 

[rudeguy]

Lithium381 damn dude stfu.

its really not his fault

He visits all these off the wall, fear filled websites. If you constantly look for conspiracies and plots, you are going to see them everywhere. It sucks because I really like lithy, he's a good guy.

I just hope we don't get a gang stalking post from him before he turns things around.

 

[waggy]

If he tells you to give him $20 or whatever cash you may have on you, you'd better do it because it's in accordance with the law. Have you heard of "civil asset forfeiture" look it up if you haven't you'll be shocked..... completely legal. You're just a complacent pawn in their game.

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while i do agree asset forfeiture is abused. what you just claimed is nothing more then bullshit.

 

[Lithium381]

Yes, I ask people for money all the time when I'm working. I also beat people to death and shoot at them whenever possible.

Seriously? You're just trolling now.

Hmm? You've actually sounded fairly reasonable throughout the conversation. Do you deny that those things have happened "in the name of the law"? That they're LEGAL?

 

[Lithium381]

while i do agree asset forfeiture is abused. what you just claimed is nothing more then bullshit.

Why? CAF can be used even if an officer SUSPECTS that it was used for drugs or crime at some time. . . that's not a very high bar to pass. . . .

 

[Lithium381]

its really not his fault

He visits all these off the wall, fear filled websites. If you constantly look for conspiracies and plots, you are going to see them everywhere. It sucks because I really like lithy, he's a good guy.

I just hope we don't get a gang stalking post from him before he turns things around.

Am I seeing patterns that don't exist or am i looking for them and extrapolating them and visualizing them as the norm? All of the things i've talked about have happened... can't deny that. Can't deny that the frequency of these things happening is accelerating, or at the very least the reporting of them is higher as more people pay attention. Either way we're in a bad place.

about half of my news is filtered through Drudge. . . to give you a frame of reference

 

[Lithium381]

Lithium381 damn dude stfu.

Why? You don't like hearing the truth? It makes you uncomforatable?

 

[rudeguy]

Am I seeing patterns that don't exist or am i looking for them and extrapolating them and visualizing them as the norm? All of the things i've talked about have happened... can't deny that. Can't deny that the frequency of these things happening is accelerating, or at the very least the reporting of them is higher as more people pay attention. Either way we're in a bad place.

about half of my news is filtered through Drudge. . . to give you a frame of reference

Whenever you feel the urge to go to drudge or any other "news" site, just click on http://www.cuteoverload.com

I stopped going to news sites a long time ago. All the news is slanted and has an agenda.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Hmm? You've actually sounded fairly reasonable throughout the conversation. Do you deny that those things have happened "in the name of the law"? That they're LEGAL?

Like Fallenhero said, there are bad officers out there. I'm not denying that. Just as there are horrible IT people, accountants, cashiers, or any other employees in an occupation. The only difference is the bad officers make the news.

There is no big scheme or plan out there for police to mess with and take advantage of the everyday citizen, which is what you are making it sound like.

Nothing is black and white, including police work.

 

[Lithium381]

Like Fallenhero said, there are bad officers out there. I'm not denying that. Just as there are horrible IT people, accountants, cashiers, or any other employees in an occupation. The only difference is the bad officers make the news.

There is no big scheme or plan out there for police to mess with and take advantage of the everyday citizen, which is what you are making it sound like.

Nothing is black and white, including police work.

It isn't my intention to make it into a conspiracy theory or say that there is a centralized PLAN to fsck with the citizens, just that the abuse is rampant. The reason bad officers make news is because they're public employees violating the rights of private citizens, often violently. Bad IT teams make the news, like the TARGET CC outbreak....

but i don't think it's centralized..... just widespread.

 

[NFS4]

Lithium381 damn dude stfu.

After reading this entire thread, I came to the same conclusion.

 

[Lithium381]

After reading this entire thread, I came to the same conclusion.

because you, too, hate freedom?:whiste:

 

[NFS4]

because you, too, hate freedom?:whiste:

No, because everyone in here is trying to be rational -- including the LEOs -- and you just keep going off on wild tangents while making nonsensical arguments.

You already have preconceived notions about LEOs, and you're framing your arguments around that premise instead of looking at things with an open mind.

 

[Dari]

That still frame is just sad. A police officer arresting a firefighter in the line of duty. Wow...

 

[Lithium381]

No, because everyone in here is trying to be rational -- including the LEOs -- and you just keep going off on wild tangents while making nonsensical arguments.

You already have preconceived notions about LEOs, and you're framing your arguments around that premise instead of looking at things with an open mind.

really, i threw out an argument, they replied, i questioned, they replied and then agreed that MMF was reasonable in the examples that he mentioned. I have preconceived notions about the generalities of the police state but capitulated that there ARE good officers out there, all the ones i've met have been. But you can't deny there are egregious things happening here in the name of the law with no punishment. You can't. :awe:

 

[senseamp]

Next time there is a CHP officer involved in an accident, do they want the fire department to drive around looking for parking?

 

[MartyMcFly3]

really, i threw out an argument, they replied, i questioned, they replied and then agreed that MMF was reasonable in the examples that he mentioned. I have preconceived notions about the generalities of the police state but capitulated that there ARE good officers out there, all the ones i've met have been. But you can't deny there are egregious things happening here in the name of the law with no punishment. You can't. :awe:

Yeah but you've used those specific incidents and applied them to all law enforcement officers. Like the asking for $20 bit. I have never asked anyone for money in the history of my career. With exception of paying bond or extra tow fees our city has added when a vehicle has been used in comission of a crime, I nor any of my fellow officers ask for money/take from others. To think otherwise or claim officers use asset forfeiture as a way for us to do that is beyond asinine.

 

[FallenHero]

What do you do about it, then? Or do you keep your head down and just keep marching towards that pension?

Again, you try to draw out hostility and some emotional response with your comments. What does my pension have anything to do with my ability to make a conscious choice on my mindset about my profession?

It is a mindset. A set of choices one has made that leads them down a specific path. I choose not to be a part of the "militant" cop movement that seems to permeate many law enforcement officers. It is no different then choosing republican over democrat. I am not alone in my choices but that does not make me right or wrong. It may end up getting me or another officer killed one day because the militant cop would be ready for a gun battle or expecting one while I would not. It does not mean I am not safe when I operate or minimize risk, it merely means that it is not my first thought and worry on every single call.