Firefighters let a home burn down because $75 fee wasn't paid!

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shadow9d9

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Does that mean that a liberal's ideal is where everybody gets the common good and nobody has to pay for it?

I could have sworn the mantra was "tax and spend." Unlike the "conservatives" who started 2 wars while cutting taxes instead of paying for it.
 

Zorkorist

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Half the people in this thread didn't even read the article.

If I got into a car crash can I get insurance afterwards and have the insurance company pay for the damages?
If you get into a car crash, and are injured, the cops, the ambulance, and the hospital will all help you to the best of their ability.

No questions asked.

It's a function of Government.

They get respect for doing that.

They get authority for doing that.

It's an even deal.

-John
 

Zorkorist

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Say, I am not a resident of the city where this guys fire was... and I see the fire-truck pulling up behind me lights and sirens blazing...

I guess I don't need to pull over, right?

These aren't my fire people...

I have no fire people.

-John
 

MrX8503

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If you get into a car crash, and are injured, the cops, the ambulance, and the hospital will all help you to the best of their ability.

No questions asked.

It's a function of Government.

They get respect for doing that.

They get authority for doing that.

It's an even deal.

-John

Human Life > Property
Human Life != Property
 

Zorkorist

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These people that desrve our respect, establish rules...

And one of those rules is that they don't accept stories for evidence.

The story was "there is no one in the house."

THESE fire-fighters accepted the story.

-John
 
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TraumaRN

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If you get into a car crash, and are injured, the cops, the ambulance, and the hospital will all help you to the best of their ability.

No questions asked.

It's a function of Government.

They get respect for doing that.

They get authority for doing that.

It's an even deal.

-John

Actually if you get injured in a car crash the reason you get cops, ambulance etc involved is that by LAW we are required to attempt to treat and stabilize you to the best of our ability and resources. It's something called EMTALA.

I work with alot of current and former firefighters they almost unanimously agree that they would have done something to try and save what was left of this house.
 

Zorkorist

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I just told you how it is basically always human life.

Either cops are crying wolf that it is human life, or it really is human life.

You can't have it both ways.

-John
 
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Zorkorist

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Actually if you get injured in a car crash the reason you get cops, ambulance etc involved is that by LAW we are required to attempt to treat and stabilize you to the best of our ability and resources. It's something called EMTALA.

I work with alot of current and former firefighters they almost unanimously agree that they would have done something to try and save what was left of this house.
Tell them all thanks. If I saw their house burning, I would try and help too.

-John
 

FDF12389

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Tell them all thanks. If I saw their house burning, I would try and help too.

-John

I have a number of thing broken in my house, can you fly out here and fix them for me? They're damaging my property. No I wont pay you.
 

Zargon

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If you get into a car crash, and are injured, the cops, the ambulance, and the hospital will all help you to the best of their ability.

No questions asked.

It's a function of Government.

They get respect for doing that.

They get authority for doing that.

It's an even deal.

-John

thats not how it works, you are misinformed. Did you know that a large portion of ambulance services are privately owned? not goverment owned? they sign contracts for service.

there are lots of questions asked. I work at a multijurisidictional dispatch center. there is way way way way way more going on than you obviously think(if you think at all saying crap like that )

The story was "there is no one in the house."

THESE fire-fighters accepted the story.

-John

yup, coming from the people who were in the house. thats common procedure. they will take ALOT less risk if everyone is reported as safe and out of the house.

you are a crappy crappy troll, atleast multiquote
 

MrX8503

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I just told you how it is basically always human life.

Either cops are crying wolf that it is human life, or it really is human life.

You can't have it both ways.

-John

There wasn't a human being inside the burning home.
 

gophins72

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they should bundle police and fire fees along with cell phone/land line fees. problem solved.
 

ModerateRepZero

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1) as people keep pointing out, fire service in this situation is a PRIVILEGE, outside the city limits
2) because it's a privilege, fire service wasn't obligated to put out the fire. why would anyone pay for fire service if they don't have to pay in advance? and as previously stated, he lived outside city limits and didn't pay the fee.
3) about all the fire service was obligated to do was save human lives and prevent the spread of fire elsewhere. don't be a cheapskate and expect non-life-threatening help if you're too cheap to pay the fee. INSURANCE doesn't work on a pay-as-needed basis.
4) while the fire dept could certainly have handed the person a bill afterwards, if the person didn't pay the fee before, what is to prevent him from refusing to pay? and really.....had a bill been given, would it have been much of a difference than someone being taken by ambulance and then given a bill? the person could've just as easily (as someone pointed out) said they didn't ask for help and told the fire dept to pound sand.
 

alkemyst

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I work with alot of current and former firefighters they almost unanimously agree that they would have done something to try and save what was left of this house.

because it's romantic to talk about.

In reality, they'd be the same dudes here.

No one died (I'd save the pets at least, but I don't deal with this shit of freeloaders trying to milk the system).

However, never believe the day the world's resources stop that your neighbors will give up their cut for others.
 

Zorkorist

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thats not how it works, you are misinformed. Did you know that a large portion of ambulance services are privately owned? not goverment owned? they sign contracts for service.

there are lots of questions asked. I work at a multijurisidictional dispatch center. there is way way way way way more going on than you obviously think(if you think at all saying crap like that )



yup, coming from the people who were in the house. thats common procedure. they will take ALOT less risk if everyone is reported as safe and out of the house.

you are a crappy crappy troll, atleast multiquote
Do I know that trusting Government is wrong? Do I know that giving the Police and Fire-Fighting Authority is wrong?

Yes I do.

Because the Police and Fire-Fighters don't give a shit about you. They only care about themselves, and their pay-check.

By Police, I mean "Police," and by Fire Fighters, I mean "Fire-Fighters."

Neither one helped this family.

-John
 
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Zorkorist

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1) as people keep pointing out, fire service in this situation is a PRIVILEGE, outside the city limits.
Can I block Ambulances, or shoot COPs outside the city limits?
2) because it's a privilege, fire service wasn't obligated to put out the fire. why would anyone pay for fire service if they don't have to pay in advance? and as previously stated, he lived outside city limits and didn't pay the fee.It's simpler to pay
3) about all the fire service was obligated to do was save human lives and prevent the spread of fire elsewhere. don't be a cheapskate and expect non-life-threatening help if you're too cheap to pay the fee. INSURANCE doesn't work on a pay-as-needed basis.See #2
4) while the fire dept could certainly have handed the person a bill afterwards, if the person didn't pay the fee before, what is to prevent him from refusing to pay? and really.....had a bill been given, would it have been much of a difference than someone being taken by ambulance and then given a bill? the person could've just as easily (as someone pointed out) said they didn't ask for help and told the fire dept to pound sand.
How often does anyone have fires?

Maybe this fucking fire department has an arsonist, that lit this dudes home.

Twice in three years? Really?

-John
 

Zorkorist

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Can't the Police, whom I assume were on scene, charge the Fire-Department, for not doing anything?

Isn't that a law in some states?

You must do something to try and help?

-John
 

Zorkorist

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Any way, there you go, your hero fire-fighters, out to do only what profits themselves.

-John
 
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