Firefighters let a home burn down because $75 fee wasn't paid!

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I just saw my neighbour got hacked by an axe last night. I didn't call 911 since they haven't paid the fees yet. Poor old couple. They "forgot" to pay the fees and now they're gone.


Ofcourse that's not true.. I'm not a saint but I'm still a citizen of this neighborhood. I'll never do that.

Wow... that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic in this thread. Congrats on missing the ENTIRE point.
 

jlee

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I just saw my neighbour got hacked by an axe last night. I didn't call 911 since they haven't paid the fees yet. Poor old couple. They "forgot" to pay the fees and now they're gone.


Ofcourse that's not true.. I'm not a saint but I'm still a citizen of this neighborhood. I'll never do that.

Hi fleabag's cousin!
 

alkemyst

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Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

Hardly, people are pushing more and more for socialism to make up for their own short comings in life.

It's like how everyone is an honor student today and even the kid with one leg gets to play on a team.
 

kami333

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I can't believe this thread is still alive... lol...

I also can't believe that his insurance company is going pay... who would issue fire insurance to a house that doesn't have some type of public fire coverage? You'd think the insurance company would have some kind of language in its contract requiring this guy to pay his CITY FD fees to keep the coverage active.

They have better PR consultants that told them paying $XXX,XXX to the Cranicks for the double wide was better than the media blacklash if they didn't.
 

rudder

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Welcome to the Tea Party's America.

You are worse than dmcowen674.... you may not have realized this... but this type of thing has been around since fire departments existed. Many homes outside city limits are serviced by volunteer fire departments. They cannot afford to pay for trucks, fire houses, training etc. So they ask the public for support. Not sure what the tea party has to do with this... Tennessee has had a democratic governer for the last 8 years.... I doubt he is a tea party member.
 

Lotheron

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What kind of country are we living in where someone thought that standing by watching someone lose their lively hood was a good idea. Not to mention public servants. Yes, not for that particular plot of land that the home was on, but still.

Besides, don't the morons realize they probably could have gotten more than the past 20 years @ $75 if they would have done the service and billed the guy after the fact? So now they have bad PR and they lose out on any money. Yeah, you showed the Cranicks didn't you. Idiots.
 

halik

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Jesus people here are mathematically retarded. Let me explain the $75 one more time=

$75 = (probability of an avg persons house fire) * (cost of putting that fire out)

or

$75 = (some really really small chance) * (some pretty big $ amount)

or

Fee for firefighting = (small avg chance of house fire) * (avg $ cost of putting it out)

In other words, when your house is on fire, there is no $75 fee. The probability of the house on fire then is 1, which means the dude should've paid the full cost if he wanted his house put out. Welcome to free rider chapter of Econ 101.
 

edro

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I doubt the firefighters would have been fired if they put the fire out once they were already there for the neighbor.
 

Train

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What kind of country are we living in where someone thought that standing by watching someone lose their lively hood was a good idea. Not to mention public servants. Yes, not for that particular plot of land that the home was on, but still.

Besides, don't the morons realize they probably could have gotten more than the past 20 years @ $75 if they would have done the service and billed the guy after the fact? So now they have bad PR and they lose out on any money. Yeah, you showed the Cranicks didn't you. Idiots.

Sigh, please read the thread.

This particular fire dept USED TO respond to every call and bill after the fact. The problem is more than half of the bills werent getting paid. The FD was getting screwed. It was either stick to people that paid, or stop offering the service outside of thier jurisdiction altogether.
 

Lotheron

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Sigh, please read the thread.

This particular fire dept USED TO respond to every call and bill after the fact. The problem is more than half of the bills werent getting paid. The FD was getting screwed. It was either stick to people that paid, or stop offering the service outside of thier jurisdiction altogether.

You're missing my point completely. What they did was wrong: standing by while another human beings belongings are destroyed by a fire that they are equipped to deal with.
Beyond the money and the law and the past occurrences, the above is wrong in an of itself.

Wait, wasn't something similar in an episode of Seinfeld?
 

Train

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You're missing my point completely. What they did was wrong: standing by while another human beings belongings are destroyed by a fire that they are equipped to deal with.
Beyond the money and the law and the past occurrences, the above is wrong in an of itself.

Wait, wasn't something similar in an episode of Seinfeld?

They weren't standing around, they were helpoing the neighbor.

You can't keep screwing over the compassionate forever and expect them to always be there for you.
 

FDF12389

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You're missing my point completely. What they did was wrong: standing by while another human beings belongings are destroyed by a fire that they are equipped to deal with.
Beyond the money and the law and the past occurrences, the above is wrong in an of itself.

Wait, wasn't something similar in an episode of Seinfeld?

Yes they should have put out the fire, then everyone would "forget" to pay the fee. Then the city FD would no longer respond to county calls, then someones house burns down and they lose children instead of pets. Completely logical.
 

Lotheron

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Yes they should have put out the fire, then everyone would "forget" to pay the fee. Then the city FD would no longer respond to county calls, then someones house burns down and they lose children instead of pets. Completely logical.

Not necessarily. Even as stated 50% actually paid the bill afterwards, I bet they still made more money than the standard $75 fee they would have other wise gotten from those houses.

If they stopped providing the service, which IMO they should if they won't treat everyone equally, maybe it would force the county/area that the homeowner lives in to get off their asses and form their own Firefighters and then the gray area would be gone.

Besides, Firefighters should fight fires. Selflessly, every time, anytime, regardless of payworthyness. It's the right thing to do. If you don't want to help those in need, don't go into the business.
 
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alkemyst

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They weren't standing around, they were helpoing the neighbor.

You can't keep screwing over the compassionate forever and expect them to always be there for you.

QFT...people say they came out and did nothing...not the truth. The provided proper service to the neighboring homes.
 

nixium

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Yes they should have put out the fire, then everyone would "forget" to pay the fee. Then the city FD would no longer respond to county calls, then someones house burns down and they lose children instead of pets. Completely logical.

So there's no other solution than letting people's houses burn down?

What happens, if in your 'ideal' system, if there's a database error and someone's payment doesn't get recorded?

What happens if there's someone trapped inside (but nobody knows there's someone?)?

How do you reconcile your belief with the near 50% of folks who don't pay federal taxes? Should they be barred from receiving any federal services?
 

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Not necessarily. Even as stated 50% actually paid the bill afterwards, I bet they still made more money than the standard $75 fee they would have other wise gotten from those houses.

You should probably read halik's post before making another post. I'm surprised that some people, especially on this forum, don't understand the basic concepts of economics and statistics sometimes.
 

ss284

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Besides, Firefighters should fight fires. Selflessly, every time, anytime, regardless of payworthyness. It's the right thing to do. If you don't want to help those in need, don't go into the business.

Firefighters need to eat and provide for their families too.
 

jiggahertz

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Not necessarily. Even as stated 50% actually paid the bill afterwards, I bet they still made more money than the standard $75 fee they would have other wise gotten from those houses.

If they stopped providing the service, which IMO they should if they won't treat everyone equally, maybe it would force the county/area that the homeowner lives in to get off their asses and form their own Firefighters and then the gray area would be gone.

Besides, Firefighters should fight fires. Selflessly, every time, anytime, regardless of payworthyness. It's the right thing to do. If you don't want to help those in need, don't go into the business.

I don't even know where to begin. Treat everyone equally, really? IMO best buy should be put out of business because they don't treat everyone equally. My neighbor bought a $2k TV from them, but they wouldn't give me one because I didn't pay their silly "fee".
 

Lotheron

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You should probably read halik's post before making another post. I'm surprised that some people, especially on this forum, don't understand the basic concepts of economics and statistics sometimes.

Going back on what I said, I think my economics and math is pretty accurate:

Lets say 20 houses caught on fire, 10 of which paid the fee, over the period of 10 years. Let's also say the average cost of fighting the fire was $5000. It's probalby more than that, but we'll use that for arguements sake.

If all 20 paid the fee over 10 years, the fire department would have gotten: $15000.

If only 10 paid the fee and the other 10 were charged actual cost of putting the fire out, they would have made $7500 plus $5000 per house charged, or $50,000.

Even if half paid, they made $25000 on those houses, rather than $7500.


Firefighters need to eat and provide for their families too.

Read above reply. Not saying they won't get money.

I don't even know where to begin. Treat everyone equally, really? IMO best buy should be put out of business because they don't treat everyone equally. My neighbor bought a $2k TV from them, but they wouldn't give me one because I didn't pay their silly "fee".

Best Buy is for profit retailer, Firefighting is a public safety service meant to save lives/property. It should not be considered a for profit business.
 

Train

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Going back on what I said, I think my economics and math is pretty accurate:

Lets say 20 houses caught on fire, 10 of which paid the fee, over the period of 10 years. Let's also say the average cost of fighting the fire was $5000. It's probalby more than that, but we'll use that for arguements sake.

If all 20 paid the fee over 10 years, the fire department would have gotten: $15000.

If only 10 paid the fee and the other 10 were charged actual cost of putting the fire out, they would have made $7500 plus $5000 per house charged, or $50,000.

Even if half paid, they made $25000 on those houses, rather than $7500.





Read above reply. Not saying they won't get money.



Best Buy is for profit retailer, Firefighting is a public safety service meant to save lives/property. It should not be considered a for profit business.


But they weren't charging $5k, they were chargin $500, and LESS than half of the bills sent were getting paid.

Now go redo your numbers.

Do you think that if they charged $5k they would still collect the same amount? lol get real
 
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