FireFox 3.5 is slow and leaky for me

[0roo0roo]

well in either case its been stable with flashblock through many versions of firefox under the same conditions for a long time now.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well in either case its been stable with flashblock through many versions of firefox under the same conditions for a long time now.

Doesn't no-script block flash? I've had no-script running when ff crashes.

 

[0roo0roo]

i run both

i turned off flashblock for a bit for kicks, but i hated videos autostarting and stuff.

 

[rlim111]

Some parts are missing on flash site when i used ff 3.5. Doesn't it support in this kind of site?

 

[manko]

I finally just upgraded to 3.5.2 from 3.0.13. It's the first major Firefox upgrade that hasn't sucked for me. I originally held off upgrading from 2.x to 3.0.x for as long as I could, then I tried it for a week and had to roll back to 2.x for while because of many things broken (standard features and extensions) that were never fixed. When they stopped putting out security patches for 2.x I grudgingly upgraded and I've loathed all things that were a step backwards in 3.x vs. 2.x ever since.

Anyway, I just put 3.5.2 on my main system and it actually seems to work well or better than 3.x. Most of my extensions were already updated and all the "incompatible" addons work after an edit to their install.rdf version requirement. I just checked a bug that been a pain since upgrading to 3.x from 2.x and amazingly, it seems to be fixed. I have a lot of bookmarks and folder and all through the 3.0.x series, adding a new bookmark folder or bookmark in the dropdown menu took a ridiculously long time (10-20+ secs). I had completely given up hope, since it seems to be a rare problem and it was broken throughout the entire 3.0.x product series, but it's actually fixed for me now. Creating bookmarks and folders is now instantaneous once again, like it used to be with 2.0.x.

One general tip I started using on 3.0.x is that even though I have a lot of addons, I disable all but the most commonly used ones. Then for the occasional time when I need to use one of the disabled addons, I just enable it and restart FF. Keeping active addons to a minimum seems to improve performance and stability a lot, and I still have all the tools I might need available after a simple restart.

Another tip that helps out with slowdowns is to disable Download History in the Privacy options.

I'm just crossing my fingers that I don't run into any unexpected game breakers with 3.5.x.

 

[pcslookout]

Well someone did open 602 tabs with firefox lol with some flash videos playing link

Though most tabs don't look like flash so I still dare you 0roo0roo or anyone to open 100 tabs in firefox with flash video. The video doesn't have to be playing but flashblock can't be enabled because that defeats the purpose. I doubt anyone will actually do it. Just watch.

 

[Rottie]

That is why icdont want slow firefox on my superfast rig

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: Rottie
That is why icdont want slow firefox on my superfast rig

Yeah I see what your saying but have you tried firefox without installing add ons ? Seems in all the test I looked at it doesn't use more than around 200 MB of ram like that. Not sure if it is actually true though. Just wish they would do a test with at least 5 to 10 add ons installed as well just to see how big of a difference there is officially.

Going to try firefox sooner or later with no add ons to see if it really makes a huge difference. From what I seen it should because I monitor ram usage a lot. Has anyone here tried using bookmarklets over add ons ?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: pcslookout
Well someone did open 602 tabs with firefox lol with some flash videos playing link

Though most tabs don't look like flash so I still dare you 0roo0roo or anyone to open 100 tabs in firefox with flash video. The video doesn't have to be playing but flashblock can't be enabled because that defeats the purpose. I doubt anyone will actually do it. Just watch.

perhaps i dunno, but do the complainers really have up to date flash? updating that is inconvenient to say the least.

 

[0roo0roo]

i dunno, i tried turning off no script and flashblock for 3 hours. i spawned another 10 youtube tabs and a few gawker sites to get the flash on, i kept my other tabs from before. ram did go up a bit, but i have not crashed. the browser did get more sluggish, but i doubt the average user opens a 100 tabs anyways. turned no script back on and stuff, i don't like being exposed like that. feels like running without a firewall but in any case i didn't crash. i use 17 addons.
i still think overclocking is part of peoples problems.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i dunno, i tried turning off no script and flashblock for 3 hours. i spawned another 10 youtube tabs and a few gawker sites to get the flash on, i kept my other tabs from before. ram did go up a bit, but i have not crashed. the browser did get more sluggish, but i doubt the average user opens a 100 tabs anyways. turned no script back on and stuff, i don't like being exposed like that. feels like running without a firewall but in any case i didn't crash. i use 17 addons.
i still think overclocking is part of peoples problems.

lol you only tried it for a few minutes and 10 tabs at that.

 

[SoftwareEng]

Google toolbar is a major drag, as I saw on my older P4. Opening new windows and browsing in general seems slower.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng
Google toolbar is a major drag, as I saw on my older P4. Opening new windows and browsing in general seems slower.

I don't use google toolbar what is the point of it?

Why do web browsers have to be so complicated now a days ? Why can't they just get it right like the good old days?

 

[SoftwareEng]

Originally posted by: pcslookout

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng
Google toolbar is a major drag, as I saw on my older P4. Opening new windows and browsing in general seems slower.

I don't use google toolbar what is the point of it?

Why do web browsers have to be so complicated now a days ? Why can't they just get it right like the good old days?

I only use it to automatically highlight specific text on the page, like when I'm looking for an apartment with _parking_. Otherwise, it's bloat(cough)slow(cough)tracking(cough)ware

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: pcslookout

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng
Google toolbar is a major drag, as I saw on my older P4. Opening new windows and browsing in general seems slower.

I don't use google toolbar what is the point of it?

Why do web browsers have to be so complicated now a days ? Why can't they just get it right like the good old days?

What good old days? Please enlighten us.

The good old days when Internet Explorer and Netscape were your only options?
When no browsers fully complied with web standards, so every site had to embed browser-specific code?
When security was an afterthought?

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: MrChad

What good old days? Please enlighten us.

The good old days when Internet Explorer and Netscape were your only options?
When no browsers fully complied with web standards, so every site had to embed browser-specific code?
When security was an afterthought?

Ah, the simple times :^D

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: pcslookout

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng
Google toolbar is a major drag, as I saw on my older P4. Opening new windows and browsing in general seems slower.

I don't use google toolbar what is the point of it?

Why do web browsers have to be so complicated now a days ? Why can't they just get it right like the good old days?

What good old days? Please enlighten us.

The good old days when Internet Explorer and Netscape were your only options?
When no browsers fully complied with web standards, so every site had to embed browser-specific code?
When security was an afterthought?

No talking about like when firefox first came out. Like Firefox 1 and maybe 2. Can't remember.

Opera was around too but a lot less advanced like firefox is now.

 

[SoftwareEng]

Compuserve and AOL browsers FTW!

Seriously though, modern 3d games with surround-sound and amazing lighting effects and high-rest textures run faster than web sites! Maybe 3d Realms should start doing web design

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng
Compuserve and AOL browsers FTW!

Seriously though, modern 3d games with surround-sound and amazing lighting effects and high-rest textures run faster than web sites! Maybe 3d Realms should start doing web design

Well yeah if you use an add on like Cooliris. I think I finally fixed my firefox issue but still not entirely convinced.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: pcslookout

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i dunno, i tried turning off no script and flashblock for 3 hours. i spawned another 10 youtube tabs and a few gawker sites to get the flash on, i kept my other tabs from before. ram did go up a bit, but i have not crashed. the browser did get more sluggish, but i doubt the average user opens a 100 tabs anyways. turned no script back on and stuff, i don't like being exposed like that. feels like running without a firewall but in any case i didn't crash. i use 17 addons.
i still think overclocking is part of peoples problems.

lol you only tried it for a few minutes and 10 tabs at that.

a few hours, and basically all my tabs probably had some flash from advertising, i only added the extra to round it out to an even 100.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: pcslookout

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i dunno, i tried turning off no script and flashblock for 3 hours. i spawned another 10 youtube tabs and a few gawker sites to get the flash on, i kept my other tabs from before. ram did go up a bit, but i have not crashed. the browser did get more sluggish, but i doubt the average user opens a 100 tabs anyways. turned no script back on and stuff, i don't like being exposed like that. feels like running without a firewall but in any case i didn't crash. i use 17 addons.
i still think overclocking is part of peoples problems.

lol you only tried it for a few minutes and 10 tabs at that.

a few hours, and basically all my tabs probably had some flash from advertising, i only added the extra to round it out to an even 100.

Ok good job. I am going to try the same thing to see if I have any problems as well. First I need to make sure I fixed my memory leak problem with firefox though. Think I have but it seem like it was way to easy to fix. Thrilled though that I did sense now it means I can finally use firefox as my main browser. Still not totally convinced though. Would love to install the Cooliris add on but scared to try it again. It seems to suck up memory like it is nothing and not give it back once you close out of it. Sucks. Have to restart firefox everytime you are done using it unless you don't care about none of the used memory being released after using cooliris. It may not seem like such a big problem with 8 GB of ram but it still can be in the long run.

 

[0roo0roo]

hm never used cooliris before, but 3d and all those images..does look like a system rape tool
with noscript/flashblock etc i rarely go over 600mb used. i don't care much if firefox gives it back because its always snappy. chrome and such likes to swap out. but when i bring up the chrome again, many tabs take seconds to reload from a blank after i click them. annoying as hell.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
hm never used cooliris before, but 3d and all those images..does look like a system rape tool
with noscript/flashblock etc i rarely go over 600mb used. i don't care much if firefox gives it back because its always snappy. chrome and such likes to swap out. but when i bring up the chrome again, many tabs take seconds to reload from a blank after i click them. annoying as hell.

Wow even if you don't go over 600 MB used that is still a lot. Right now Firefox keeps shrinking its ram usage to 200 MB or less once it goes over 200 MB most of the time. The only time it doesn't is when I start to open anything flash related. Though once I close it, finally, the memory is given back. So far I haven't been able to have the same thing take place with java but still working on it. May have not closed the page the right way or something. The java process and memory just stayed in use until I restarted firefox really sucked. Doesn't happen in IE. At least it wasn't firefox using the memory though.

Now once I install the cooliris add on my ram usage goes from 150 to 200 MB to well over 400 MB once cooliris is just open. When cooliris is actually in use ram usage sky rockets to 600 to 800 MB + and even after closing it ram usage only goes down to around 400 MB. It sits at that never goes down further than 400 MB even when closing all firefox tabs. I have to restart firefox and not open cooliris again for that not to happen.

 

[0roo0roo]

oh well i guess i don't expect it to go down to 200mb, its just not going to happen heh. i don't mind the 500-600mb use when i have a large tab count because it doesn't creep past that.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
oh well i guess i don't expect it to go down to 200mb, its just not going to happen heh. i don't mind the 500-600mb use when i have a large tab count because it doesn't creep past that.

Oh if you open a lot of flash content or use cooliris it would go well over 600 MB easily. I am surprised mine is down to 200 MB now as well. Didn't think I would be able to do it. Haven't tried the 10 flash tabs and 90 other website tabs test like you did yet. Will soon though and know once I do ram usage will surely be way over 200 MB.