Firefox 57

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NinJake

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Hmm maybe I don't install as many addons as others but FF has treated me well for 10+ years and I still recommend to my users who are having issues with IE to try FF first, before I point them to Chrome.

But then again, 75% of my users are still rocking 4GB RAM, and I'm not sure if Chrome is still as RAM hungry as it used to be.
 

bruceb

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My Dell Dimension 8200 P4 at 1.8Ghz with XP PRO SP3 FF52.1.1ESR can only take a maximum of 2GB RAM .. My Toshiba Laptop with Windows 10 Home 64 Bit has 4GB of RAM
 

bruceb

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Might try that at some point, but then I need to learn how to use it. For now XP PRO SP3 will do the job.
 

Tinkling Tinker

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Downgraded to 56, which I have been perfectly happy with, excepting that the download installs (by default) a nasty little side app called "Mozilla Maintenance", which pushed that stinking turd of an upgrade sans my permission. Scrubbed all things Mozilla before downloading 56 and fixed that nasty insult in the Custom install process.

Those out there who think Firefox is slow need to understand something important: it never was intended to be the browser which is the most secure and quickest out of the box, but it is the best browser hands-down for users who know what they need. You don't have to be a programmer to know what makes a browser efficient and secure (I'm not), you just need to do a little research so that you can identify problems, and then spend time searching the enormous library of Firefox addons, which is perfectly organized and very well thought out. Do this, and you will have a browser which will do exactly what you want it to, when you want it to, plus it will be solid as a fortress.

You will never get anything resembling what I have from competing browser ware, because they are happy to give you a simple and easy setup, with controls more tedious to access should you decide on trying that, while handing over your data to anyone who will pay them. Unfortunately, the old consumer ethic is apparently lost on the CEOs behind Firefox 57, because the way of their competition is exactly where they have taken that new version. What a disgusting mess they have made of it! Most of my addons were disabled by it, the interface is ass-backwards, and I have to use it because 57 won't run my easy-access Clear Recent History addon. The process to clear history through the new menu is twice as convoluted and tedious as in the old menu, and after going through that and hitting "Refresh", the site you're on is still tracking you!

So, I've downgraded, and I've nuked the damned Mozilla Maintenance piece of garbage which upgrades whenever Mozilla wants it to, but Mozilla will likely find new ways to steal my freedom to make use of the old version. This is what I have to deal with, and it's because of all you idiots out there who complain when using a browser which never was intended for you to begin with. Why can't you just keep your crybaby fingers off the keyboard, or go use Chrome or IE?
 
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1sikbITCH

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I missed having TabMixPlus so bad I am trying Pale Moon out and seeing what else I might not have heard of.

https://www.palemoon.org/

Firefox port that still allows add-ons, unlike FF57. I'm running No-Script, Encrypted Web, ABPrime (ad blocker), and Tab Mix Plus. Been a few days, seems to be working fine.
One thing, if you try this out delete/hide your FF profile first. I installed it with FF already installed and then neither could read the profile after that. Couldn't run them side by side or even one at a time. Getting rid of Firefox including deleting the profile in Roaming fixed it.
 

mikeymikec

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I'm getting by with the replacement for the Classic Theme Restorer. I don't like the library style downloads GUI and I kinda liked the old status bar, but hey ho.
 

Tinkling Tinker

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@bruceb For older systems like that, I always have a tendency to put some flavor of Linux on them.

Linux does have some conservative flavors which I loved, regardless of hardware limitations, and I was able to set up many different flavors on various PCs on my own without going to technical school for it. I probably don't know what you do on tech, but the last time I checked, Ubuntu's flagship product looked as bulky to as Windows (as I remember it), and maybe worse.

Anyway, I'm typing this from a Lenovo, through Windows 10, because the company has somehow disabled CMOS access to set up my hard disk for Linux (no response to any of the function keys after hitting the Start button for the bootup process, so that GRUB can be installed).
 

rchunter

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I had to install waterfox to get some of my add-ons back. Torrent status is one that I use all the time with deluge-vpn for magnet links to my server.
 

deustroop

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There is a setting in FF to prevent upgrades. It just takes a little looking to find but anyone with half a brain can do it.
 

rchunter

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Yeah well that's not a solution either. Maybe a short term one. I wouldn't want to be without security patches for very long. Rather just install waterfox or palemoon so I can still use the few addons I need when I need them. So for now i'm running FF 57 and waterfox occasionally.
 

deustroop

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I wonder if security patches are overrated since they come out after the infection and are quickly outdated.
 

fleshconsumed

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I'm holding off for the time being. One of the addons (FireGestures) I use is not compatible with 57. I'm so used to having mouse gestures with FF, that I don't know how I would function without it. Unfortunately due to new addon restrictions even if it gets ported to FF57, it will never be as powerful as the old one. So right now I'm in research mode, there are several alternatives that might replace FireGestures functionality, but I got to try them out and decide if they would be an acceptable replacement.
 

mikeymikec

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I wonder if security patches are overrated since they come out after the infection and are quickly outdated.

Except that many security vulnerabilities are discovered by researchers who then inform the vendor. Even if some are maliciously exploited instead of being reported, many of those go on to be exploited for some time to come after the vendor has patched the issue. I often have found installations of say Adobe Reader that are years out of date, or say customers using Firefox who weren't sure about the Adobe Flash update prompt and so ignored it for months/years, or installations of Windows 10 where Windows Update is broken and so therefore are vulnerable against tonnes of exploits.

It wouldn't surprise me if IE6-9 exploits are still commonplace in the wild. Also, according to statcounter, XP is the second most popular Windows OS in China.
 

ninaholic37

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LOL people actually use Firefox as a primary browser? I don't understand why anyone would use that slow piece of shit.
I feel that way about people who use Chrome and IE/Edge/etc. Firefox is the only sensible option left....
 

mxnerd

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Firefox 57 is faster, but use a lot of memory, even more than Google Chrome!

Disappointed.
 

Puffnstuff

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I came back to the release channel today after 58.0b9 stopped loading pages properly. 57.0.1 is working fine loading things quickly without incident. Funny thing is that MS just made some updates to IE improving its functionality as well.
 

deustroop

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Memory usage varies with open pages and concurrent ops. When I simply load Google.ca , FF launches 4 instances using an aggregate of 460MB., Opening a second tab/page, CNN, adds another instance and the memory usage jumps to 750 MB.
 
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