firefox vs. opera?

[Mem]

Firefox 1.0, vunerabilities.
Currently no known vunerabilities. Although I'd bet that some exist so it's still important to keep up to date.

Opera 7.x vunerabilities.
Currently a few known vunerabilities, but only one is unpatched and that's not realy a software bug so much as one of the bad aspects of having tabs that Opera hasn't worked around yet. Not a big deal, just becarefull which page those pop-ups originate from sometimes. (like if your signing on at a bank or whatever)

Similarly very safe and secure like Firefox and unlike IE/MyIE/variants. To me that is more important and a comparision of bullet point features is secondary and speed is third in the row of importance.

Your forgetting one very big thing,Opera and IE have been around a lot longer then Firefox,do you think in a few years time Firefox will have no vulnerbilites? ...Well we know the answer to that.

Btw there have been vulnerbilites in the past,

The Mozilla Foundation today released new versions of the Mozilla 1.7
suite, Firefox 0.9 and Thunderbird 0.7, addressing three security
vulnerabilities. Details about the vulnerabilities can be found at
http://www.mozilla.org/project...ties.html#mozilla1.7.2.

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It`s a fact with all browsers,no perfect browser where security is concerned(yes some are better then others) and FYI I`m using Mozilla 1.7.3 on one of my PCs and Opera on the other.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Mem

Firefox 1.0, vunerabilities.
Currently no known vunerabilities. Although I'd bet that some exist so it's still important to keep up to date.

Opera 7.x vunerabilities.
Currently a few known vunerabilities, but only one is unpatched and that's not realy a software bug so much as one of the bad aspects of having tabs that Opera hasn't worked around yet. Not a big deal, just becarefull which page those pop-ups originate from sometimes. (like if your signing on at a bank or whatever)

Similarly very safe and secure like Firefox and unlike IE/MyIE/variants. To me that is more important and a comparision of bullet point features is secondary and speed is third in the row of importance.

Your forgetting one very big thing,Opera and IE have been around a lot longer then Firefox,do you think in a few years time Firefox will have no vulnerbilites? ...Well we know the answer to that.

Btw there have been vulnerbilites in the past,

It's obvious that Firefox 1.0 hasn't been around for as long as opera.

I even specificly said in regard to firefox:

Although I'd bet that some exist so it's still important to keep up to date.

So what exactly was your point again?

the problem is isn't that Opera is more or less inscecure then firefox, it is that ANYTHING is better then Internet Explorer.

I personally use Firefox because that's what is setup as default on my machine. I have absolutely nothing against Opera or any other standard complient and secure browser.

 

[Nothinman]

Firefox doesn't cache pages into memory, I think. Going back to a previous page in Opera/IE is instantaneous.

You can even set how much memory FF uses for it's memory cache and while I have heard Opera is the king of the back button, IE is definately not instanenous and IME it's the same as FF in that regard.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Firefox doesn't cache pages into memory, I think. Going back to a previous page in Opera/IE is instantaneous.

You can even set how much memory FF uses for it's memory cache and while I have heard Opera is the king of the back button, IE is definately not instanenous and IME it's the same as FF in that regard.

Most of the difference, I am guessing, comes from how the individual browsers render the page. Firefox renders the pages as you download them, the text gets displayed quickly and often the browser will have to re-render the text in the page to fit in new elements that it downloads.

However IE won't render until it has most of the information from the webpage. So the browser sits there as the bar goes back and forth and then when it has the infromation it displays it all at once.

Or something like that. So it seems like it renders it faster because the change is more instantanious, but in terms of CPU time used up and actual rendering speed firefox could possibly be much quicker then IE.

And it also depends on connection speed, I noticed that on slow connections Firefox seemed very much quicker then IE because I could begin browsing a webpage in a fraction of the time, even though all the images and such were not finished downloading. Also If I had to open up multiple pages at once I can read one while the other downloads. With IE this is very dependant on the speed of the machine because you have to open a new window for each webpage and that has overhead.

Anyways such comparisions are pointless. The speed difference on a modern machine is a blink of the eye, I can't fathom how the minor speed difference would be a real issue compared to the overall incredably flawed nature of IE.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: AnubisOpera > all so what it costs 20$ that does not change the fact that its better

Exactly. You don't have to pay for it actually, all you get is a little ad out of the way at the top which is simply an opera ad, so you don't really notice it. But what you get is a browser that has all the features firefox has, plus a whole lot more. You'd have to download quite a few plugins to catch up, if there are plugins for all the features Opera has. I have seen just about every browser in action and I wouldn't use anything else. All the features that make Opera cool I use almost every time I'm using it. I can chat in IRC, check multiple email accounts at once, open multiple websites at once, and anyone who has used the wand feature knows how useful that is.

I have successfully converted many people from firefox to opera. All I had to do was tell them to try it.

 

[Nothinman]

I can chat in IRC, check multiple email accounts at once, open multiple websites at once, and anyone who has used the wand feature knows how useful that is.

Ooooh, I can do all of that too with Galeon, Thunderbird and irssi A web brower should not include an IRC client or mail program, all that does is add unnecesary complications and increase the chances for problems.

 

[Mem]

So what exactly was your point again?

Simple you started your post with

Why firefox?

and going on about security vulnerbilites etc...,

I was pointing out that there are many good alternatives to Firefox like Mozilla 1.7.3/Opera etc and also stating no browser is perfect security wise,some are just more mature and been around longer then others giving hackers more time and ways to get to know the security flaws in the browser,some people go on about Firefox like it`s perfect,believe it`s not.

 

[Mem]

Firefox is for people who realize spending money on a web browser (especially a severly unextensible one) is stupid. =)

Yeah right that`s why you have other better free browsers IMHO like Mozilla 1.7.3, Maxthon,and even Opera is free with little ad,as for the extensions not everybody uses them and we all know all the extensions work perfect in Firefox .

 

[Nothinman]

Opera is not free in any sense of the word.

And the few extensions I use in FF do work just fine, but most of my browsing happens in Galeon.

 

[KoolDrew]

I use opera as it is much faster then FF and I love the feature where you can start where you left off. Those two are the main reasons I use Opera. I always hav e all my favorite forums in tabs and with opera i open the browser and all tabs are still there.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

I can chat in IRC, check multiple email accounts at once, open multiple websites at once, and anyone who has used the wand feature knows how useful that is.

Ooooh, I can do all of that too with Galeon, Thunderbird and irssi A web brower should not include an IRC client or mail program, all that does is add unnecesary complications and increase the chances for problems.

Yes, but Opera doesn't require plugins to do all that. You download the browser and that's it, you've got all those resources from the start. And that is not unecessary nor does it increase any chances for problems. I don't even know why you'd say that.

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Opera is not free in any sense of the word.

And the few extensions I use in FF do work just fine, but most of my browsing happens in Galeon.

Opera is completely free, by every sense of the word. You can go to the website and download the full-featured browser right now and never pay a dime. It is not a trial version, it is not a demo, it's the real-deal.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Opera is not free in any sense of the word.

And the few extensions I use in FF do work just fine, but most of my browsing happens in Galeon.

umm what part of free for download is bothering you?

 

[Nothinman]

Yes, but Opera doesn't require plugins to do all that. You download the browser and that's it, you've got all those resources from the start. And that is not unecessary nor does it increase any chances for problems. I don't even know why you'd say that.

That's my point, one big monolithic piece of code is harder to debug than lots of independent smaller ones. An IRC client should just be an IRC client, a mail reader should just be a mail reader (and if it has things like a HTML renderer they should be seperate from the mail reader, although bundled obviously), etc.

And what if I don't want them? I have no choice but to install them, just like MS forces IE onto everyone's machine.

umm what part of free for download is bothering you?

It's closed source and requires payment to get rid of an ad banner.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Yes, but Opera doesn't require plugins to do all that. You download the browser and that's it, you've got all those resources from the start. And that is not unecessary nor does it increase any chances for problems. I don't even know why you'd say that.

That's my point, one big monolithic piece of code is harder to debug than lots of independent smaller ones. An IRC client should just be an IRC client, a mail reader should just be a mail reader (and if it has things like a HTML renderer they should be seperate from the mail reader, although bundled obviously), etc.

And what if I don't want them? I have no choice but to install them, just like MS forces IE onto everyone's machine.

umm what part of free for download is bothering you?

It's closed source and requires payment to get rid of an ad banner.

80% of stuff is closed source

and the banner says Opera, oooo sooo bad

 

[Nothinman]

80% of stuff is closed source

So? Just because McDonald's sells the most food doesn't mean it's the best.

and the banner says Opera, oooo sooo bad

It's still payment in the form of an ad banner being forced on you, why deal with it when you can have a better browser that's both free as in open source and free as in no cost?

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

80% of stuff is closed source

So? Just because McDonald's sells the most food doesn't mean it's the best.

and the banner says Opera, oooo sooo bad

It's still payment in the form of an ad banner being forced on you, why deal with it when you can have a better browser that's both free as in open source and free as in no cost?

So do you get your panties in a twist over your car having the manufacturers logo on it? Or McDonalds putting their logo all over your meal? Blah blah blah, you are just trying to find a reason not to upgrade to better software because you are a fanboi. Not a single excuse makes sense.

 

[Nothinman]

So do you get your panties in a twist over your car having the manufacturers logo on it?

If it was put on the windshield, yes.

Blah blah blah, you are just trying to find a reason not to upgrade to better software because you are a fanboi. Not a single excuse makes sense.

It's not an upgrade, I already have FF which is free and comes with the source code, 2 things which I value more than a sh!tty IRC client and a banner ad.

 

[sandorski]

IE and Opera fans Hate our Freedom!

 

[CrowDog]

Firefox rox

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: sandorski
IE and Opera fans Hate our Freedom!

what do i hate now?

 

[hopejr]

Originally posted by: Azzy64
sorry to sound the noob, but i still use good ol' IE at least i can be certain that all pages will display correctly :thumbsup:

Wow, you really are a noob. IE is really bad when it comes to CSS. As a web developer, I wish everyone would throw IE in the trash and go with something else like Firefox, Opera, or Safari, that actually render CSS correctly. I have so many problems trying to hack away at my perfectly legal style sheets to make them work in IE, even IE 6, in the process breaking them on other browsers. Opera 7 is a bit dodgy, but 7.1 and higher are fixed.
I use Firefox on my PC, because I like the inbuilt tab browsing (Opera has it too, but I can't be bothered forking out $20 just to get rid of the ads). Firefox on the mac has some slight issues with styles too, although they aren't too bad (this problem isn't with the Windows version - weird), so I use Safari on the mac.

 

[imported_Phil]

I'm just going to dredge up this old thread and add my 2p's worth.

I used to use Opera for everything, and didn't like Firefox. What changed my mind was the AdBlock extension for Firefox and the slightly better page rendering (Opera used to get some sites very wrong).

There's talk of an AdBlock-style plugin for Opera, but of course it won't be an official one. If Opera had the ability to remove the epileptic-fit-inducing-goddamn-flash nonsense from Anandtech's main page then I'd use it.

Plus, I find the interface faster/more responsive. IMHO.

[Edit] I just counted the flash adverts using IE - eight flashing damned adverts. EIGHT!. While I understand that Anandtech is paid for by advertisers, eight is too much.

 

[biostud]

Firefox since it's free and have Adblock. But I like tabbed browsing as well.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Neither: Mozilla.

 

[concernedsophist]

I just upgraded from IE to Opera (free version). Man what a difference! The pages seem to load faster and once you go tabbed you never go back. The ad banner is pretty small, inoffensive, and easily ignored in my opinion (it doesn't work half the time anyway), plus you can set Opera to erase the cookies everytime you exit the program. I've never used Firefox before though. If its half as good as Opera than it is way better than IE.