firefox vs. opera?

[Maetryx]

I was an Opera user that paid the $39 to get rid of the banner.... and I *still* turned into a FireFox user... I even paid to support that full page ad in the New York Times because I liked FireFox so much. Adblock, WeatherFox, All-In-One Gestures, Noia 2.0 theme. To quote McDonalds, "I'm Lovin' It!"

 

[gsaldivar]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Firefox.

 

[Forsythe]

I think opera is better than firefox, but it has alot of errors and not that great compability compared to FF, that's why i use FF.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
FREE INCLUDES OPEN SOURCE. Plain. Simple. Free software is open source.

Have to disagree. No sense in arguing, however.

I've always maintained that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.

By definition an opinion can't be wrong. Think about the defiintion of freedom, and you might get a clue. How free can it be if I can't modify it?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Nothinman
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html

I completely disagree with them.

You're still stuck on the wrong free.

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
....but it has alot of errors and not that great compability compared to FF...

In all my testing, I've found the reverse to be true. My experience ranges from v 4.x of Opera and v 0.2 "Firefox" (back when it was called Phoenix, and later Firebird).

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
By definition an opinion can't be wrong.

I suppose my sarcasm was a bit subtle there. The entire point of that humorous adage is to point out the fundamental view of the word "opinion". Much like "all generalizations are bad" would do in kind. My apologies if the subtle sarcasm was not obvious enough.

I could say I agree with randumb's above classifications for the most part (though I change the last category to read "free, open source"). Have personally never truly agreed with a number of FSF's ideas. Or rather ideals I should say, as it paints a very idealistic view when it comes to the software world; and more specifically, the business model that exists therein.

Frankly, I would very much like to live in the world FSF portrays, but I am cognizant enough to recognize it is extremely unlikely to exist as a mainstay within my lifetime.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
By definition an opinion can't be wrong.

I suppose my sarcasm was a bit subtle there. The entire point of that humorous adage is to point out the fundamental view of the word "opinion". Much like "all generalizations are bad" would do in kind. My apologies if the subtle sarcasm was not obvious enough.

I could say I agree with randumb's above classifications for the most part (though I change the last category to read "free, open source"). Have personally never truly agreed with a number of FSF's ideas. Or rather ideals I should say, as it paints a very idealistic view when it comes to the software world; and more specifically, the business model that exists therein.

Frankly, I would very much like to live in the world FSF portrays, but I am cognizant enough to recognize it is extremely unlikely to exist as a mainstay within my lifetime.

I don't agree with the FSF about a lot of things either. Their version of free (GPL) is barely free, IMO. It's better than proprietary absolutely non-free stuff, but I'll take something truly free any day.

 

[AMDZen]

Definetely Firefox, I couldn't live without some of the extentions. And the "Switch Proxy Tool" at work is a god send, otherwise I wouldn't be able to read about games at work

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Nothinman
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html

I completely disagree with them.

You're still stuck on the wrong free.

You are free to use every feature the program provides. Your concept of freedom is wrong.

 

[Nothinman]

You are free to use every feature the program provides. Your concept of freedom is wrong.

So which part of the soviet union are you from?

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

You are free to use every feature the program provides. Your concept of freedom is wrong.

So which part of the soviet union are you from?

You are the one that wants everyone to share what they worked hard for, so who's the communist?

 

[Nothinman]

You are the one that wants everyone to share what they worked hard for, so who's the communist?

I don't want anyone to share what they don't want to, but I see no reason to pay for software when there's better software freely available.

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
...for software when there's better software freely available.

Equal? Perhaps.

Better? Highly debatable would be an understatement.

 

[Nothinman]

Depends on what aspects are being used to determine worth. Opera has 3 main problems:

1) It's non-free
2) There's no plugin system, you're stuck with what they give you
3) On Linux it uses QT and since I use Linux I don't care about what it looks like on Windows.

Those are the main ones, I could probably come up with more if I forced myself to use the software.

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
2) There's no plugin system, you're stuck with what they give you

The developer community for Opera is rather sizable.

 

[Nothinman]

If there's no plugin/extension system that's irrelevant.

There are currently 220 extensions available on the mozilla.org page, if this was Opera all of those would have to be included in the browser to get all of the functionality. Obviously that won't happen and probably couldn't since I'm sure some of them overlap in functionality and I'm sure some of them just plain suck too. But the fact remains that the choices are still there and what to install is for the user to decide and that's a huge plus IMO.

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
If there's no plugin/extension system that's irrelevant.

Actually, it isn't.

But of course, if you'd like to continue to criticize a product you've not taken the time to evaluate thoroughly, by all means continue to do so.

 

[Nothinman]

I will. There's no real reason to use Opera since Mozilla exists.

 

[TSDible]

First of all Firefox.

I have tried almost everything here, and I keep coming back to the Fox.

Opera is a good browser but it comes down to... I want the features I want, not the features that "Opera" wants me to have.

And now... to definitively put an end to the Opera is Free debate.

I read through this entire thread and contemplated whether Opera is free or not. I came to the conclusion that it is not. Very close, but no cigar.

Why you ask? It basically boils down to this.

The argument was presented that it is "free" for download and fully featured. This is not completely true. If it were true, there would be no reason to have a paid version at all.

Ok... so why is it not "free" then. I don't think that software has to be open source to be free. Someone can provide software to you to use for free without releasing what they consider to be their own intelectual property. So I will not use that argument.

Here lies the problem... The "free" version of the Opera browser contains an ad for Opera. Regardless of the size of that ad, the fact remains that it takes up space. Space that is valued to many users. There is a "feature" to remove that ad, but in order to get that feature, you must pay for opera.

Therefore, the "free" version of Opera is a limited version. It is not "fully featured."

Opera is not free.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Nothinman
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html

I completely disagree with them.

You're still stuck on the wrong free.

You are free to use every feature the program provides. Your concept of freedom is wrong.

I'm not free, I'm severely restricted. I'm restricted to using their approved platforms. Unacceptable! I'm restricted in that I cannot modify the program. Unacceptable! I cannot distribute the program. Unacceptable. It's ad-ware. Unacceptable!

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Depends on what aspects are being used to determine worth. Opera has 3 main problems:

1) It's non-free
2) There's no plugin system, you're stuck with what they give you
3) On Linux it uses QT and since I use Linux I don't care about what it looks like on Windows.

Those are the main ones, I could probably come up with more if I forced myself to use the software.

4) You have to use Linux x86, or something that emulates x86. Sorry Alpha and sparc users, you suck.

 

[Malak]

Can you use firefox on phones?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: malak
Can you use firefox on phones?

Don't care. I'd be free to do so if I ported it. I still can't find the source to help port Opera to OpenBSD/sparc.

 

[Alex]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Firefox.