firefox vs. opera?

[n0cmonkey]

Opera isn't free.

 

[Litchfield285]

i use maxthon... i hate firefox and opera...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Litchfield285
i use maxthon... i hate firefox and opera...

Come on, you can admit it. You're an IE user.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Opera isn't free.

Already proven wrong multiple times. Honestly, even the website says free. Last time I checked, lack of paying for something meant it was free...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Opera isn't free.

Already proven wrong multiple times. Honestly, even the website says free. Last time I checked, lack of paying for something meant it was free...

No, you're wrong. Still. Show me the source, I want to run it on my sparc machine under OpenBSD. You're using the lesser definition of free.

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: Dopefiend
There's talk of an AdBlock-style plugin for Opera, but of course it won't be an official one. If Opera had the ability to remove the epileptic-fit-inducing-goddamn-flash nonsense from Anandtech's main page then I'd use it.

I prefer to use Proxomitron, which is browser independent.

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
You're using the lesser definition of free.

I believe the term you are searching for is obviously open-sourced, wihch is not analogous to free.

I should preface the above with the statement that I find both Opera and Firefox to be very capable browsers, despite the fact that I choose to use Opera over Firefox.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Opera isn't free.

Already proven wrong multiple times. Honestly, even the website says free. Last time I checked, lack of paying for something meant it was free...

No, you're wrong. Still. Show me the source, I want to run it on my sparc machine under OpenBSD. You're using the lesser definition of free.

The lack of any form of cost fits the description of free. The fact that the website says you can download it free proves this further. You can download the software, run it unrestricted for as long as you feel like, legally. It is by all definitions free. Ads do not make something not free. My mousepad says Alienware all over it, doesn't mean it wasn't free(and it was). My pizza box says pizza hut all over it, doesn't mean the pizza wasn't free(it was). Your arguement is plain wrong, get over it.

 

[TheVrolok]

FF

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Opera isn't free.

Already proven wrong multiple times. Honestly, even the website says free. Last time I checked, lack of paying for something meant it was free...

No, you're wrong. Still. Show me the source, I want to run it on my sparc machine under OpenBSD. You're using the lesser definition of free.

The lack of any form of cost fits the description of free. The fact that the website says you can download it free proves this further. You can download the software, run it unrestricted for as long as you feel like, legally. It is by all definitions free. Ads do not make something not free. My mousepad says Alienware all over it, doesn't mean it wasn't free(and it was). My pizza box says pizza hut all over it, doesn't mean the pizza wasn't free(it was). Your arguement is plain wrong, get over it.

WRONG DEFINITION OF FREE. Free, as in freedom. The ability to do with as I wish. If someone gives you a pizza, but you are not allowed to eat it, the pizza is not free. I can't do what I want with opera, so it isn't free (as in freedom).

Ads do make software not free. Get over it.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
You're using the lesser definition of free.

I believe the term you are searching for is obviously open-sourced, wihch is not analogous to free.

I should preface the above with the statement that I find both Opera and Firefox to be very capable browsers, despite the fact that I choose to use Opera over Firefox.

I believe the term I was looking for is obviously FREE. Open source software is not necessarily free, but free software is open source. I don't care about open source software, I care about free software. Opera is neither.

Opera is not free.

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
No reason to pay for a browser when there are plenty of perfectly good solutions out there.

:thumbsup:

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Firefox.

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I care about free software.

The correct term would then be "free and open-source" software. To spread the definition of free to encompass both is somewhat ludicrous (and also somewhat laughable as well), and is why the two are well defined separately.

Was remiss in not including free with open source in the prior reply. Thank you for the opportunity to correct that oversight.

 

[Nothinman]

The lack of any form of cost fits the description of free

The fact that your "free" version requires a banner ad be display constitutes payment, just like commercials on TV.

Ads do not make something not free. My mousepad says Alienware all over it, doesn't mean it wasn't free(and it was). My pizza box says pizza hut all over it, doesn't mean the pizza wasn't free(it was)

Yes it does. You're simply not paying with currency, you're paying by giving that company free advertising.

 

[shadowfaX]

no one mentioned lynx?

opera's banner ad bugged me, so i use firefox (for now). kinda the same reason i use gaim instead of the official aim client from aol, except that i can't pay $$ to make the horrible banner ads go away. whoop.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I care about free software.

The correct term would then be "free and open-source" software. To spread the definition of free to encompass both is somewhat ludicrous (and also somewhat laughable as well), and is why the two are well defined separately.

Was remiss in not including free with open source in the prior reply. Thank you for the opportunity to correct that oversight.

FREE INCLUDES OPEN SOURCE. Plain. Simple. Free software is open source.

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
FREE INCLUDES OPEN SOURCE. Plain. Simple. Free software is open source.

Have to disagree. No sense in arguing, however.

I've always maintained that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I care about free software.

The correct term would then be "free and open-source" software. To spread the definition of free to encompass both is somewhat ludicrous (and also somewhat laughable as well), and is why the two are well defined separately.

Was remiss in not including free with open source in the prior reply. Thank you for the opportunity to correct that oversight.

FREE INCLUDES OPEN SOURCE. Plain. Simple. Free software is open source.

Free has never meant open source by ANY definition. You are making it up.

 

[Nothinman]

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html

I completely disagree with them.

 

[Nothinman]

And that makes you right, because?

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
And that makes you right, because?

Same question back at ya.

 

[randumb]

Shareware = Cost for full usability

Freeware = No cost for full usability, doesn't need to be open source

Free/Libre = FSF Definition = Open source

I'd classify Opera as shareware.

 

[Nothinman]

Same question back at ya.

Call me crazy, but I would guess that the word 'free' meant without obligation, unobstructed, no restrictions, etc long before it meant no monetary charge.