Firewood theft. This an ethical way to deal with it?

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NetWareHead

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what does that have to do with this thread? This thread is about how AViking doesn't know jack about wood.

lol...my take on this is that people from warmer climates look at wood differently than us in cold climates. As the debate between DrPizza and AViking shows. if you rely on wood to heat and you have winters like we do here, stealing wood is akin to stealing horses in the midwest or stealing money/food. I live in NH and you find plenty of serious woodburners with huge piles and who make wood cutting, splitting and stacking into a second job during the warmer months in preparation for the winter.

I can understand the desire for revenge if you come home and see that someone has stolen thousands dollars worth of wood and/or the equivalent to weeks of hard labor. Sure you can call the cops but when your wood pile is diminishing day by day, taking matters into your own hands is what is called for. The boobytrap may be unethical but it arguably works better than calling the cops and if done correctly stops the problem in its tracks.
 

WHAMPOM

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This was debated amongst the guys here at work and I figured it would make a good topic for a forum poll.

Due to the severely cold winter, some people around here that heat with firewood are noticing theft from their woodpiles. One of our coworkers commented that near him, there have been reports of people having not just a few pieces of wood stolen, but their entire wood piles gone!

So we started talking about what effective ways we have to deal with such a crime and the usual install cameras, fence, lock up the wood pile in a shed were tossed around. One coworkers tells a story he heard about a guy he knew who was so fed up with someone stealing firewood, he bored some holes in some innocent looking logs and filled the holes with explosive. Whether it was actual explosive, fireworks, firearm propellant etc... I don't know. He sealed the hole with a cap and some glue and the tampered logs now blended in with the rest of the firewood. Anyway the point of his story was that the guy one day heard a bang, followed by smoke coming out of a nearby house and then firetrucks were soon seen on his street. The guy who planted the explosives stayed quiet about what he did but theft from his woodpile ceased after that.

So the poll question: Is is ethical to plant this kind of boobytrap to deter theft?

I'm on the side that this is an occupational hazard of a thief and you deserve anything coming to you if this is the path you choose to take. Stealing firewood is like stealing food and some people around here, especially those with big noticeable woodpiles heat exclusively with wood and have no alternative heat sources. The aforementioned people who had their entire piles stolen were royally fucked when they got home and saw no more wood!

The counterpoint was presented by a coworker who did not approve of doing something that could harm innocent people aka what if his kids were in front of the woodstove when the explosives detonated? He didn't think it was ok to do something retaliatory on this scale over firewood especially when it could harm others. Poll for your voting...

I think if you look it up most firewood is not stolen for use, it is stolen to sell.
 

WHAMPOM

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Another option is to mount a trail cam (what hunters stick on trees to photograph deer) near the pile. It's motion activated and has a night mode too. Then you have evidence to show to the cops anyway.

And when they take the trail cam? Little black box with red LED or older flash does stick out.
These are usually daylight robberies when the hard working wood users are at work.
 

NetWareHead

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I think if you look it up most firewood is not stolen for use, it is stolen to sell.

According to my coworker, the woodpile was slowly being stolen from which leads me to believe the wood was stolen for personal heating use rather than profit.
 

HumblePie

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I don't want to be right about this.

As for clearing the bar, well, if it comes to a jury trial, all bets are off, n'est-ce pas?

Uhh, I think I told him that before in a thread awhile ago. Texas has self defense laws against criminal trespass at night where someone knows they aren't allowed to be. The use of force can be up to deadly here.

The provisions are basically that is HAS to be at night, and the person has to realize that it somewhere they aren't wanted to be at. A sign or verbal notification are usually are all that is needed. Unless it is AG land. If you are steeping into someone's farm or cattle land at night, you can and probably will get shot legally by the owner. Cattle tipping is a bad thing to do around these parts as a prank for kids. Not that it doesn't happen, but it can get the kids killed legally.

As for booby traps that can harm others, that is completely different. Not legal here as far as I know or anywhere in the US.
 

BudAshes

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Kind of OT but I had a huge oak tree cut down on my property by the power company and it left a monster pile of wood. I couldn't believe the amount of neighbors that were suddenly very interested in me. I also saw a couple people in pickups drive by and slow down eyeing the big wood chunks like I had piles of gold lying in my drive way. It's not even that cold here, but I think there are some skeevy people around here that live on stealing downed wood, and splitting it and selling it. I made sure to split it and secure it before it all disappeared. I probably got 4 or 5 years of wood from that one tree.
 

surfsatwerk

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Zero. You're paying him for the wood. If he wants more $$, he should charge more.

In some places it is customary to tip for the delivery of wood because the price of wood does not accurately reflect the monetary investment to produce the wood.

Have you seen the price of diesel nowadays?
 
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Juncar

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Probably best to build a shed with a lock. I mean, really, whats the difference between leaving your firewood in the open and leaving your bicycle on your lawn or the garage door open. Theft is shitty but I'm not surprised that it gets stolen.
Traps are not good since it can blow up in your face more than anything else in terms of liabilities.
 

highland145

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screw that. I wouldn't want to haul wood around.

If he puts it where you want it and stacks it, 30%.
I'd rather them charge me the extra 30%. Wait staff gets tipped because of the crappy wage.
In some places it is customary to tip for the delivery of wood because the price of wood does not accurately reflect the monetary investment to produce the wood.

Have you seen the price of diesel nowadays?
Charge more. "Hey, let me work my ass off and I'll charge you $50 in the hopes you give me $75."

Bro in law does tree work full time. Gets paid to take down the tree and haul it off. Splits and re sells the hardwood. Makes boards out of the pine and re sells. It is hard/dangerous/expensive work so charge accordingly.

As far as the diesel, the sanitation businesses have added a fuel surcharge.
 

JulesMaximus

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Of course it isn't ethical. Neither is stealing firewood but that doesn't give you the right to potentially injure or kill someone either.

The fact that you even have to ask this is frightening.
 

kage69

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Boobytraps are completely uncalled for in this scenario, sorry. We're talking heating, which is important in the winter yes, but let's not let it turn into 'conflicts other than war.'


This problem can be solved with an inexpensive, hidden game camera with a view of the wood supply, and a call to the local authorities once the footage needed is obtained. I wouldn't expect too much sympathy and understanding from law enforcement when describing how the pipe bomb idea sounded good at the time, and shit that guys face and eyes would be fine if he weren't committing petty theft!

Not ethical at all. If trespassers are setting fires, killing animals, destroying your house or vehicles, attacking your loved ones, etc THAT'S when you break out your bag of goodies and go to war, but preferably after you've let the cops take a stab at it. One must conduct oneself in a manner that can be explained to a judge later without getting laughed at while the book is thrown at you.
 
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