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Gikaseixas

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Not amazing but really good, decent IMO.

My 5870 needs to move aside and this will be it's replacement
 

BD231

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Great ..., they double their cores again for minimal gains. Maybe overclocked this thing can scream? If they hit 30% gains in some areas a hefty OC might give u a 15 to 20% performance boost which could be nice.

Certainly isn't anything exciting tho ... . Oh well, bring on Fermi @ 28nm :awe:
 

badb0y

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Great ..., they double their cores again for minimal gains. Maybe overclocked this thing can scream? If they hit 30% gains in some areas a hefty OC might give u a 15 to 20% performance boost which could be nice.

Certainly isn't anything exciting tho ... . Oh well, bring on Fermi @ 28nm :awe:
They didn't double the cores, they increased it by 30% and net about 40-50% performance.
 

Pacman4

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Which tech companies could buy AMD?....maybe Samsung, Sony etc, then we might get some decent products from them performance wise.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Super disappointed, really not significant enough to bother with over my current 580s unless they turn out to be excellent and easy overclockers, hitting 20-25% OCs and scaling at least nearly 1:1 if not better.

I can only imagine that these really will only shine when you have at least 2 of them driving a multi monitor setup.

LOL

So I was right (alongside a FEW others) in our assesment of ~30% faster than a GTX580 in average.

I guess it's time to look over the threads and see who got chaught up in "SILLY SEASON TM"...and thus cn be ignored at next launch

if only it was 30% faster on average, its more like 15%, and the few games where it even comes close to 30% (more like 25%) are games like Crysis and Metro where the frame rate is still too garbage to play on max settings with just one GPU (ie 30s) or games like Portal 2 where you're still getting well over 100fps on the 580 and thus really don't need any more GPU.

otherwise all the other major blockbuster games actually worth investing in a GPU for (ie BF3, SC2, Batman AC) the advantage only ranges from 5-18%.

so yeah, you were wrong, you don't get to round up just to make it look like your prediction was good
 

coldpower27

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They didn't double the cores, they increased it by 30% and net about 40-50% performance.

They increased transistors by 60% and netted a 30-45% performance improvement over 6970.. which isn't bad overall..

I might just a little disappointed with the increased transistor density it isn't as great of a leap as a I expected, but overall it's ok.
 

Vipeax

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Super disappointed, really not significant enough to bother with over my current 580s unless they turn out to be excellent and easy overclockers, hitting 20-25% OCs and scaling at least nearly 1:1 if not better.

Maybe you should try Eyefinity?


Also,
The overclocking potential of the Radeon HD 7970 has been much vaunted in the recent leaks and it certainly didn't disappoint. Even without any software or hardware voltage mods, we managed to bring the CPU core from the default 925MHz up to the maximum 1125MHz that CCC would allow. We also turned memory up to 1500MHz and Power Control to +20% to prevent throttling.
Without batting an eye, the HD 7970 clocked right up to a completely stable 1125 MHz core speed and 1575 MHz memory speed. I can’t wait to get voltage control on these things. If it does that at stock, imagine what we can do with some more voltage available!
AMD representatives were quite confident about the Radeon HD 7970’s overclocking headroom. They went so far to say that most cores will make it over 1 GHz, that many will get past 1.1 GHz, and that some will even slam right into 1.2 GHz. Moreover, they claimed that the stock 1375 MHz GDDR5 memory could make it to 1625 MHz or higher.

We were happy to perform the tests needed to validate AMD’s claims. Unfortunately, the card’s stock BIOS is more of a prude than the company’s representatives. Its software-based Overdrive tool won’t push any higher than 1125 MHz on the core and 1575 MHz memory. Compared to the stock 925 MHz core and 1375 MHz memory settings, though, those are respectable ceilings for a consumer card. Of course, board partners will be able to customize the overclocking limits of their own offerings, and if the Radeon HD 7970 has the overclocking headroom that AMD says it does, we’d hope to see factory-overclocked cards with nice boosts.

The AMD Radeon HD 7970 comes clocked at 925MHz on the core and 1375MHz on the memory, but if you enter the CATALYST Control Center (CCC) you can raise or lower the clock frequencies within the parameters set by AMD. For this card AMD set limits for this particular BIOS to 1125MHz on the core and 1575MHz on the memory. The good news here is that the Radeon HD 7970 that we were sent for testing could hit these clocks without touching the fan control or power control settings! Not bad to get a 200MHz jump on both the GPU and memory for a seconds worth of work. Without any voltage mods AMD says that enthusiasts and overclockers should be able to hit 1.2GHz and if someone wanted to do some voltage mods that they might be able to able to hit 1.3 GHz! We don't want to mess with modding the Radeon HD 7970, so we stayed with the stock 1.1 Volts on the core and installed a new BIOS that 'unlocked' the clock limitations of the video card.

On our 7970 samples the fastest speeds we were able to achieve were 1115MHz on the core and 1510 MHz on memory. This is an increase of 190MHz on the core and 135MHz on memory, something which opens up a lot of potential for AMDs partners to enhance the 7970. It also increased our 3DMark score to X3124.
 

Will Robinson

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LOL

So I was right (alongside a FEW others) in our assesment of ~30% faster than a GTX580 in average.

I guess it's time to look over the threads and see who got chaught up in "SILLY SEASON TM"...and thus cn be ignored at next launch

Actually "SILLY SPELLING TM" might be more suitable.....
 

Subyman

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My fear is where this places the 7950. It will probably be at or below the 580 and still cost 399. That's kind of hard to swallow, especially when Nvidia lowers prices of the 570 and 580 like they did the 470 last gen. Then where do the 7870 and 7850 fit? I'd guess they will be around the 6950, but that is already only a 230 dollar card.
 

tokie

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Do not want.

Compared to my 6950, the 7970 jacks up heat and noise with only ~30&#37; increase in performance. Add to that the ripoff price AMD is gunning for and this turd will sit on shelves.

TBH I was expecting way more from 28nm. I guess I should always assume I will be let down by TSMC.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Do not want.

Compared to my 6950, the 7970 jacks up heat and noise with only ~30&#37; increase in performance. Add to that the ripoff price AMD is gunning for and this turd will sit on shelves.

TBH I was expecting way more from 28nm. I guess I should always assume I will be let down by TSMC.

uh, the 7970 is close to 40% faster than the 6970, where are you getting that its only 30% faster than your 6950? I suppose for lower resolutions, but this card is clearly meant for the top of the line setups pushing large resolutions, not upper mid range.

also, AT shows load temps to be identical to the 6950 (7970 is actually lower at idle), although it is noisier under load (but again, when idle the 7970 is actually quieter), I've always hated ATI/AMDs reference coolers under load because of how loud they got, so I'd be inclined to wait for aftermarket designs that cut down on the noise. An ASUS DCII perhaps

but yeah, it looks like you're rounding down to convince yourself this is a worse product than it really is so you feel less bad about your 6950
 

GaiaHunter

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Performance seems in line when compared to the 6970 just by looking at the number and clocks of the shaders, Price is in line as well.

But it is an expensive item.

Additionally AMD seems to have transitioned to a more compute friendly design without sacrificing too much in gaming performance, die size and power performance/watt.

Lets see how the smaller siblings turns out and how/when NVIDIA responds and what price adjustments will then occur.
 

imaheadcase

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Its not as impressive as i thought it was going to be, i'm glad i got gtx 580s in SLI recently.

The only think i would say that AMD has going for it with this card, this late in the game, is that Nvidia 580 supply issue. If amd can keep these on the shelves they can sell them well.

Also, one slight problem with the drivers in test on Nvidia side.
The newest beta drivers released AFTER the review(290.53), in increased my fps &#37;30 in BF3 on sli setup (not sure if single helped). That brings me to my point, drivers today make a HUGE role in performance from one to the next, depending on game esp. No longer are the days when it was one driver worked for everything ok. They are optimized like crazy for certain situations.
 
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GaiaHunter

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25/30 percent IMO, I wasn't aware they were at 1500+ shaders with the 6970 already.

Actually the 5870 was at 1600 shaders and they were reduced a bit in the 6970 to 1534.

The performance difference depends on the games and settings.

For example from hardwarecanucks.

 
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poohbear

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Can we have a generic review collection thread without an editorial in the thread title? Let us be the judge if it is "disappointing" or not based on our own criteria.

QFT

Op how could u possibly say this is anywhere near being like Bulldozer??? It blows everything out of the water, and its $500+ because it IS the best of the best! u've really become spoiled with AMDs aggressive pricing, that when they release a top of the line product u expect to buy it for cheaper than its worth. Puuuulleeeease!!
 

Borealis7

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AMD has, yet again, delivered the best Perf/Watt card. the other SI cards should be somewhat parallel to today's Caymans, plus more OC headroom.

i wish Anandtech does an overclocking article to see the gains in each game from Core, Memory or both O/Ced.
 

Arkadrel

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Compute stuff seems good with the 7970:







Tessellation seems good:


Under extreme it beats the 580 by ~24&#37;



Beats the 580 by ~28%.



Best performance/watt card?:



44% better performance pr watt, than a 580.


In some games it really smashes the 580 though:



still cant do crysis1 with 1gpu over 60fps though: (neither can 590 or 6990 though)




Disappointing launch? meh... I think its doing fine for a 365mm^2 chip.
New architecture.... I think drivers will get better performance out of with with time.
 
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Lonbjerg

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Super disappointed, really not significant enough to bother with over my current 580s unless they turn out to be excellent and easy overclockers, hitting 20-25&#37; OCs and scaling at least nearly 1:1 if not better.

I can only imagine that these really will only shine when you have at least 2 of them driving a multi monitor setup.



if only it was 30% faster on average, its more like 15%, and the few games where it even comes close to 30% (more like 25%) are games like Crysis and Metro where the frame rate is still too garbage to play on max settings with just one GPU (ie 30s) or games like Portal 2 where you're still getting well over 100fps on the 580 and thus really don't need any more GPU.

otherwise all the other major blockbuster games actually worth investing in a GPU for (ie BF3, SC2, Batman AC) the advantage only ranges from 5-18%.

so yeah, you were wrong, you don't get to round up just to make it look like your prediction was good

Give them time to fix their drivers GNC is a new arch....
 
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