First ATI 5830 Review (In Chinese)

[Rubycon]

Very poor design actually! The heat from the card MUST be moved OUT of the case. This will make case temperatures increase too much.

The reference design should be followed on these cards.

Hm, the 5850 still might be the better value even at $299. Unless these 5830's can be had for under $220 I think. I'm digging the Gigabyte design though.

 

[Jd007]

The article gave an estimated retail price for the XFX version of the card (the one they reviewed), and it's about $230-260.

 

[Schmide]

Very poor design actually! The heat from the card MUST be moved OUT of the case. This will make case temperatures increase too much.

The reference design should be followed on these cards.

I know it's not as good as Winry automail, but the loss of performance by pushing hot air out of the case is made up but the total amount of air you can move with 2 fans and the extra air flow over the VRMs.

 

[Rubycon]

I know it's as good as Winry automail, but the loss of performance by pushing hot air out of the case is made up but the total amount of air you can move with 2 fans and the extra air flow over the VRMs.

Negligible considering the sacrifices.

For those overclocking and concerned about overall power dissipation they will be watercooling their stuff.

 

[God Mode]

I also dislike the non-exhaust cooler style. I trashed my AC twinturbo cooler because temps barely improved compared to stock and it exponentially increased the temp of everything else in my pc. Louder case fans are never an option for me.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

What were people expecting? Its DX11 with 4890 performance. Exactly what ATI said it would be, no more no less. ROPs & SPs are nothing more than funny numbers, ultimately, so long as the performance is there.

[Edit: except for the power requirements. Guess they had to run more volts through the card to get them to the appropriate clockspeed...]

 

[cbn]

I also dislike the non-exhaust cooler style. I trashed my AC twinturbo cooler because temps barely improved compared to stock and it exponentially increased the temp of everything else in my pc. Louder case fans are never an option for me.

I know this is off topic, but I have seen posts regarding triple slot coolers possibly being part of the new PCI-E 3.0 standard.

With a triple slot cooler I would imagine exhausting air out the back of the slot(s) would be more efficient. In contrast open design GPU coolers require a larger number of case fans to evacuate the heat.

 

[DarkZeratul]

That's OK folks!!! There's anyone who can say to me WHEN we are able to see one of these puppies in NewEgg? Uh?

 

[happy medium]

That's OK folks!!! There's anyone who can say to me WHEN we are able to see one of these puppies in NewEgg? Uh?

couple days at most.

 

[Paratus]

Yup heatpipes work in any direction. We've got a couple of 3 Kw heat pipes at work that have been working just fine for 10 years, weightless.

 

[RaistlinZ]

I would think they'd be on Newegg on Friday, and will probably sell out on Friday as well.

 

[evolucion8]

But my Sapphire cooler which ressembles the Toxic one keeps my GPU under 70C no matter what games I play, even using Furmark, never exceeds 80C, and it dumps the heat inside of my Antec 900 case.

 

[poohbear]

im just surprised in those benchies that starfcraft 2 is so demanding! usually blizzard games run like butter on upper mid range hardware, not that 55ps is anything to scoff at. Mind u it is a beta, so im sure optimizations to the game engine will be made.

 

[Lonyo]

im just surprised in those benchies that starfcraft 2 is so demanding! usually blizzard games run like butter on upper mid range hardware, not that 55ps is anything to scoff at. Mind u it is a beta, so im sure optimizations to the game engine will be made.

It looks to me like they must have left VSync enabled.
http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/starcraft_ii_wings_of_liberty_beta_performance,7.html This shows the game clearly scales well with clockspeed and doesn't use loads of cores, so a 4GHz Core 2 Quad should exceed 60fps by a large margin.
The fact that all 4 cards are close and under 60fps means either it's CPU limited (which is doubtful), or it's hitting a cap (60Hz, Vsync).

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/starcraft_ii_wings_of_liberty_beta_performance,4.html
This shows that the 260 and 275 should have a larger performance difference between them, even though quality settings are different, it should be more than a 1fps difference.
1fps suggests that the minimums are dropping lower, but both are capped at the same rate which they can each comfortably reach.

 

[yh125d]

"meh"

It would be a good card if

- 925+/4800+ OCs are common
- Could be bought for $200-220 with a good cooler like that gigabyte
- That power number is far off. This card shouldn't need two pci-e plugs


But maybe I'm expecting too much

 

[Allio]

For some reason this card is kind of... underwhelming

 

[v8envy]

It is underwhelming. It's what we get with no competition in the GPU arena.

Marketing cleverly identified a vast price and performance gap between the $160 5770 and $300 5850 and demanded a card which sits between the two both price and performance wise with no chance of being modded into stealing sales from the 5850.

This is exactly what this is. A price and performance replacement for the 4890 with DX11 compatibility, making their top to bottom lineup a uniform gradient in both price and performance. I too was hoping for a 4830 repeat, but ah well. I'll buy it once it hits $120, maybe.

 

[Tempered81]

Yeah ATI's sitting fat with this card now. They probably love everything about it being a 4890 DX11 replacement. The only thing that maybe slightly upset their bottom line was that they couldn't produce it out of a Juniper die and get more parts per wafer. But at least they can do something with all those sub-par Cypress dies piling up in the back

 

[kalrith]

If it comes in at $200-220, it looks like I'll either try to find a used 4890 for ~$130 or pony up the extra money for a 5850. Buying a new monitor kind of cut into my video-card budget

 

[gamerguy2]

Here is the real review of the 5830

"The 5830 while being 6% slower than the 5850 costs 8% less. It is also 6% faster than the 5770 while costing 8% more.The power draw is what is to be expected from the new 5800 series. We are still waiting for Nvidias answer to ATIs 5800 series."

 

[Lonyo]

It is underwhelming. It's what we get with no competition in the GPU arena.

Marketing cleverly identified a vast price and performance gap between the $160 5770 and $300 5850 and demanded a card which sits between the two both price and performance wise with no chance of being modded into stealing sales from the 5850.

This is exactly what this is. A price and performance replacement for the 4890 with DX11 compatibility, making their top to bottom lineup a uniform gradient in both price and performance. I too was hoping for a 4830 repeat, but ah well. I'll buy it once it hits $120, maybe.

It's underwhelming now, but it'll be interesting to see what happens come March 26th.
If NV do end up putting some pricing pressure on AMD, then it could get interesting.
Currently we're at what, $400, $300, ($230~$250?) $160 -> down.
If NV put some pressure on, maybe we will see something like $340, $260, $200, $150 -> down.

Just because prices don't seem all that great now doesn't mean in a month it'll be the same. We can only hope that NV pull something out that results in some downward pressure, but for now you can't fault AMD trying to get out as much as they can while they can, after all, NV did the same with the GTX260/280 (for all of a week or two).

 

[happy medium]

Here is the real review of the 5830

"The 5830 while being 6% slower than the 5850 costs 8% less. It is also 6% faster than the 5770 while costing 8% more.The power draw is what is to be expected from the new 5800 series. We are still waiting for Nvidias answer to ATIs 5800 series."

Is this a joke? It's much slower then 6% of a 5850.

 

[gamerguy2]

No my review is not an "official" review.

maybe 10% and 12%.

But shouldnt it be faster than a 5770? A 5770 is about 25% slower than a 5850 but 33+% less money. But I bet the 5830 has close to as many shaders and stream processors as the 5850 and the same 256 and 1gb memory units. (downclocked slightly of course).

Actually the 16 ROPs is suprising. You would expect closer to the 32 but with some of them disabled. More like 24 with the ability to unlock the other 8. That is a little disapointing if it is cut in half and not just slightly hamstrung to fit the price point like it has been done in the past.

I bet the power draw is erroneous except that they might have cut corners to make the card cost less for them to produce making it draw power like the 5870.

Whats really exciting (to myself) is that ATI already has another generation of GPUs in process even if they are still produced on the 40nm wafers.

 

[happy medium]

No my review is not an "official" review.

maybe 8% and 10%.

But shouldnt it be faster than a 5770? A 5770 is about 20% slower than a 5850 but 33% less money. But I bet the 5830 has close to as many shaders and stream processors as the 5850 and the same 256 and 1gb memory units. (downclocked slightly of course).

Last I checked a gtx 285 is about 15% slower then a 5850.
There is no way a 5770 is only 20% slower then a 5850.

A 5830 has 1120 shaders and the 5850 has 1400.
The 5830 is clocked higher then the 5850.

The review is out.

 

[ExcaliburMM]

My current plan is to see how two 5830s stand against 5770s, and the OCing on each. Then, depending on what costs more, I'll finally have to choose a replacement for this 4870.