First complete review of Haswell i7-4770K

[krumme]

The numbers is excactly as expected, and as other reviews have shown fx. Tomshardware. Desktop is not the important market anymore,- mobile is.

I for one is a little tired of reviews wrapped in a marketing slidedeck from reputable sites. What do you want to hear? Pages of avx2 talk - that matters in 6 years? 3D Mark "GT3e is just as fast as nv 650" when minimum framerates in actual games will hit rock bottom?

Well you dont have to wait long to hear that story.

I will get this Haswell, as i did with SB and IB, and just live happily with it because i still can have my desktop, and i dont need some fantasy gpu/IPC imagination of reality to do that.

 

[Racan]

So Intel managed a ~5% performance increase for a 10% increase in power consumption. I thought Haswell was supposed to be this great leap in performance per watt.

 

[beno619]

Iris Pro 5200 (GT3e) doesn't come with the i7 4770K but with with the BGA i7 4770R.

 

[grimpr]

I think i'll wait for Intels 14nm and the Israeli Intel Haifa team on Skylake.

 

[R0H1T]

I think i'll wait for Intels 14nm and the Israeli Intel Haifa team on Skylake.

That's what they said about IVB & then Haswell :whiste:

People just don't get it, Intel is going full throttle on this APU bandwagon themselves(GT3e for desktop should be hint enough) & this is where over 90% of the avg desktop usage is gonna come from ! Gamers, enthusiasts, professionals et al are just a niche, & a vocal minority at that, besides you can always wait for the enthusiast(E) parts to fire that TITAN SLI rig !

 

[mikk]

So I was right their Turbo wasn't working on their Mainboard properly. Their 4 Ghz comparison looks as expected now.

 

[Cerb]

That's what they said about IVB & then Haswell :whiste:

People just don't get it, Intel is going full throttle on this APU bandwagon themselves(GT3e for desktop should be hint enough) & this is where over 90% of the avg desktop usage is gonna come from ! Gamers, enthusiasts, professionals et al are just a niche, & a vocal minority at that, besides you can always wait for the enthusiast(E) parts to fire that TITAN SLI rig !

I think you can remove professionals from your list. Most of them would love to not need to buy overly expensive parts, especially if they've done the slightest bit of research, and know that such a need is based solely on DRM. Especially with tools out there now to program an accurate renderer on any modern hardware, the already-existing trend of preferring to choose your hardware separately from your software, will only keep growing.

Gamers and enthusiasts, though, yes. The problem is that until the "APUs" can get faster, and be better exploited across HW platforms, they'll suck compared to dedicated coprocessors. But, those dedicated coprocessors will provide less and less value each, in a shrinking hardware market, in the years before that can happen, leaving them (us) somewhat out in the cold, for awhile, unless a new RAM technology comes along and vastly improves per-pin bandwidth (like by 5-10x over upcoming SDRAMs).

 

[Charles Kozierok]

We're all patiently waiting for real info on Haswell and any "new" info, even if we know it's fake helps bide the time until the real (read Anandtech) review is available.

I wouldn't search out this type of non-info but I will click the link in the forum just to be sure I'm not missing anything

Bad information is worse than no information.

 

[inf64]

The numbers is excactly as expected, and as other reviews have shown fx. Tomshardware. Desktop is not the important market anymore,- mobile is.

I for one is a little tired of reviews wrapped in a marketing slidedeck from reputable sites. What do you want to hear? Pages of avx2 talk - that matters in 6 years? 3D Mark "GT3e is just as fast as nv 650" when minimum framerates in actual games will hit rock bottom?

Well you dont have to wait long to hear that story.

I will get this Haswell, as i did with SB and IB, and just live happily with it because i still can have my desktop, and i dont need some fantasy gpu/IPC imagination of reality to do that.

Good post. I don't understand why some people are calling this retail CPU test a fake and waiting for magical 15% IPC jump... We have the data , we had the THG preview, all is in line. In the Chinese review we even have same clock comparison which is the most relevant one for enthusiasts who will OC and won't run stock. Haswell is not bad chip, it just focuses on other market and other side of the "APU"- it's GPU. Intel does have true magicians in their design team but they cannot give you 15+% moe legacy IPC,2x more iGPU performance and lower power draw all on the same 22nm mode. That's fairy tale land. Reality is what this review shows- great gains in iGPU part and so-so gains in x86 part( legacy code) with comparable power draw. This is not bad at all.

 

[Shmee]

Ill stick with my 3770k for a while I think, no need to upgrade now. I am GPU bound generally anyways with my monitor. Next upgrade probably to be another 7950 or a next gen card.

 

[willomz]

Looks like their Z77 board is giving the 3770k an unfair advantage.

I wonder which Z87 board they are using, translate doesn't seem to shed any light on this.

 

[inf64]

Looks like their Z77 board is giving the 3770k an unfair advantage.

I wonder which Z87 board they are using, translate doesn't seem to shed any light on this.

There is a page in the review where both are set to 4Ghz fixed clock. There is no advantage for 3770K there. Average difference, excluding the outlier opengl test (40%), is ~5% (high is around 10% low is zero percent).

 

[Rvenger]

C'mon Steamroller! Another opportunity to catch up.


After seeing these benches and if true, I might just be holding on to my i7-3770k.

 

[inf64]

C'mon Steamroller! Another opportunity to catch up.


After seeing these benches and if true, I might just be holding on to my i7-3770k.

Even if it launches as 6T APU part SR won't be crushing 3770K or Haswell. It might be in that range tho. ST performance will still be intel's strongest point even though as time goes by it will become irrelevant. Cores will become so fast in everyday ST jobs that it won't matter. Games will become ever so MTed and devs will offload physics to iGPU/GPU for much better performance gains vs traditional multi-core CPU approach. Fixed function HW and HSA will pick up where multicore has stopped and this is where we should be looking for next big leaps in performance. Traditional mainstream performance desktop class is going the dodo land in next few years (when it comes to pure x86 speed- Haswell is a first clue).

 

[galego]

I will never understand why, on one of the premiere review sites on the Internet, people are constantly posting random reviews from random sites done by random people with random track records. Or worse, giving them any credence.

Maybe you would ask Hassam why them give credence...

http://wccftech.com/intel-haswell-core-i7-4770k-review-live-china/

 

[galego]

Am I seeing something different?

I see a processor that is slower while using more power!


After Bulldozer and watching Intel flip their CEO, I wouldn't be surprised

Failwell is the new Faildozer :biggrin:

 

[galego]

So Intel managed a ~5% performance increase for a 10% increase in power consumption. I thought Haswell was supposed to be this great leap in performance per watt.

At best, the benchmarks are under 5% average improvement over last years architecture.

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What is even worse for Haswell in this state is that at stock, the Core i7-4770K barely improves gaming performance representing only 1% improvement over the 3770K.

http://wccftech.com/intel-haswell-core-i7-4770k-review-live-china/

 

[Rvenger]

Failwell is the new Faildozer :biggrin:

Not a fail, just not a step forward.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

People just don't get it, Intel is going full throttle on this APU bandwagon themselves(GT3e for desktop should be hint enough) & this is where over 90% of the avg desktop usage is gonna come from ! Gamers, enthusiasts, professionals et al are just a niche, & a vocal minority at that, besides you can always wait for the enthusiast(E) parts to fire that TITAN SLI rig !

This is pretty much the best assessment of what's going on here.

AMD announced that they are abandoning the desktop market. That market is shrinking. Why would Intel devote resources to making ever-faster desktop chips? Intel has its guns aimed at the two growth areas: servers and mobile. We desktop users will get taken along for the ride, but we aren't likely to get much aimed specifically at our needs.

I really do think Broadwell/Airmont is where we're going to see some really amazing improvements, but again, it's not going to be on the desktop.

Some of the cheerleaders around here don't realize that they care a hell of a lot more about "Intel vs. AMD" at the high end than either of those companies do.

 

[mikk]

Maybe you would ask Hassam why them give credence...

http://wccftech.com/intel-haswell-core-i7-4770k-review-live-china/

This guy is clueless.

What is even worse for Haswell in this state is that at stock, the Core i7-4770K barely improves gaming performance representing only 1% improvement over the 3770K.

Some people will never learn what GPU limit means.

 

[blackened23]

http://wccftech.com/intel-haswell-core-i7-4770k-review-live-china/

What is even worse for Haswell in this state is that at stock, the Core i7-4770K barely improves gaming performance representing only 1% improvement over the 3770K

No joke? The desktop 4770k doesn't have the good graphics (GT3E) and instead has Hd4600. It isn't meant to be a significant step forward, because desktop users typically use discrete graphics, therefore putting GT3E on the 4770k makes absolutely no sense.

Galego, you're trying way too hard to discredit intel. Give it a rest.

 

[mikk]

No joke? The desktop 4770k doesn't have the good graphics (GT3E) and instead has Hd4600. It isn't meant to be a significant step forward, because desktop users typically use discrete graphics, therefore putting GT3E on the 4770k makes absolutely no sense.

Galego, you're trying way too hard to discredit intel. Give it a rest.

He refers to gaming with a discrete graphics card and not iGPU comparisons. CPU gaming tests in huge GPU limits were not clever.

 

[MightyMalus]

Woah...my Trinity(TurboOff-3.8Ghz, 1013MhziGPU, 1863 8GB RAM) get's more score than all three of them in 3DMark11 Performance...and they are using 2600Mhz RAM(!!!)

Not bad for $130 o.o (P1620)

 

[galego]

Not a fail, just not a step forward.

Intel Failwell is one or two steps backward in WinRAR, several games, wPrime, power consumption... :biggrin:

 

[Fjodor2001]

Haswell chips already available for sale in China:

http://wccftech.com/intel-haswell-desktop-processors-sale-china-z87-motherboards-listed/