First complete review of Haswell i7-4770K

[R0H1T]

Woah...my Trinity(TurboOff-3.8Ghz, 1013MhziGPU, 1863 8GB RAM) get's more score than all three of them in 3DMark11 Performance...and they are using 2600Mhz RAM(!!!)

Not bad for $130 o.o (P1620)

If you could've you really should've waited for richland, instead of trinity, just to get that much more oomph ^_^

 

[galego]

AMD announced that they are abandoning the desktop market. That market is shrinking. Why would Intel devote resources to making ever-faster desktop chips? Intel has its guns aimed at the two growth areas: servers and mobile. We desktop users will get taken along for the ride, but we aren't likely to get much aimed specifically at our needs.

No. AMD continues interested in the desktop. New desktop chips such as the FX-4350 were recently released, new desktop cards as the HD 7990 are ready to purchase, a pair of days ago AMD introduced new desktop memory

http://www.zdnet.com/amd-introduces-radeon-gaming-series-desktop-memory-7000015202/

desktop richlands are waited for June, Papermaster has not denied the Centurion 5GHz rumour. Steamroller development continues. AMD has confirmed Volcanic islands launch for last 2013...

 

[R0H1T]

Don't use misinformation about AMD as excuse...

AMD continues interested in the desktop. New desktop chips such as the FX-4350 were recently released, new desktop cards as the HD 7990 are ready to purchase, a pair of days ago AMD introduced new desktop memory

http://www.zdnet.com/amd-introduces-radeon-gaming-series-desktop-memory-7000015202/

desktop richlands are waited for June, Papermaster has not denied the Centurion 5GHz rumour. Steamroller development continues. AMD has confirmed Volcanic islands launch for last 2013...

Easy there, what Charles meant is that desktop isn't a priority for neither Intel nor AMD & the situation isn't going to change anytime in the short to medium term ! Nothing disingenuous there

 

[galego]

No joke? The desktop 4770k doesn't have the good graphics (GT3E) and instead has Hd4600. It isn't meant to be a significant step forward, because desktop users typically use discrete graphics, therefore putting GT3E on the 4770k makes absolutely no sense.

Galego, you're trying way too hard to discredit intel. Give it a rest.

Except Hassam was mentioning the gaming performance of Failwell with dGPUs. That less than 1% performance gain is only the average. If you look to the benchmarks there are games where Failwell has poor performance: -0.5%, -1.0%, -4.4%...

Try again to defend the indefendible... :biggrin:

If you want to still be around for the Haswell launch, I suggest you stop the trolling ASAP
-ViRGE

 

[NTMBK]

Papermaster has not denied the Centurion 5GHz rumour.

He has also not denied the existence of a secret AMD moonbase.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Haswell chips already available for sale in China:

http://wccftech.com/intel-haswell-desktop-processors-sale-china-z87-motherboards-listed/

Should be possible to find a few places in europe too now.

That does however confirm the ugly boxart. Good thing its only unbox and then to the recycle container

 

[galego]

@MightyMalus I missed that one. Yes they are using ultrafast 2600 MHz memory. I wait Anand to perform tests using ordinary 1600 MHz memory.

 

[blackened23]

Except Hassam was mentioned the gaming performance of Failwell with dGPUs. And that less than 1% performance gain is only the average. If you look to the benchmarks there are games where Failwell has poor performance: -0.5%, -1.0%, -4.4%...

Try again to defend the indefendible... :biggrin:

Good grief. You're the most ridiculous person i've ever seen post around here. I could make obvious comparisons to the halo parts from your company, which are beaten in every performance and efficiency metric at every single price point, but I'll spare myself of the waste of time.

I think it's clearly obvious to everyone here that you're trolling.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Easy there, what Charles meant is that desktop isn't a priority for neither Intel nor AMD & the situation isn't going to change anytime in the short to medium term ! Nothing disingenuous there

Thanks for that. I have him on ignore and really don't care what he has to say (since he is not here for rational discussion, just to mindlessly cheerlead AMD) but I appreciate you sticking up for me. And, of course, you're correct.

 

[Rvenger]

Intel Failwell is one or two steps backward in WinRAR, several games, wPrime, power consumption... :biggrin:

It'd be wise to not start trouble.

 

[galego]

He has also not denied the existence of a secret AMD moonbase.

Where was published the rumour?

In what interview was he asked about that base in your mind? :biggrin:

 

[galego]

Easy there, what Charles meant is that desktop isn't a priority for neither Intel nor AMD & the situation isn't going to change anytime in the short to medium term ! Nothing disingenuous there

He said that AMD was "abandoning the desktop market" that is not the same than saying that priorities of Intel/AMD have changed.

 

[moonbogg]

Noone knows how it OCs yet?

 

[galego]

Good grief. You're the most ridiculous person i've ever seen post around here. I could make obvious comparisons to the halo parts from your company, which are beaten in every performance and efficiency metric at every single price point, but I'll spare myself of the waste of time.

I think it's clearly obvious to everyone here that you're trolling.

If by trolling you mean quoting the results of the benchmarks "-0.5%, -1.0%, -4.4%..." then I agree.:biggrin:

 

[frozentundra123456]

Haswell chips already available for sale in China:

http://wccftech.com/intel-haswell-desktop-processors-sale-china-z87-motherboards-listed/

But does that mean the chips are actually available now, or just that you can place the order and get on a waiting list for when they are formally shipped.

I would think Intel would not release actual chips before the NDA is lifted.

 

[ShintaiDK]

But does that mean the chips are actually available now, or just that you can place the order and get on a waiting list for when they are formally shipped.

I would think Intel would not release actual chips before the NDA is lifted.

Its been out of Intels reach for quite some time now. Major distributors around the world got them stocked in large volumes. Thats how its always been with Intel. Its not like trucks are leaving Intel on june 2nd with the first chips

 

[frozentundra123456]

Noone knows how it OCs yet?

Maybe they made it easier to overclock because the know they screwed enthusiasts in every other metric??

I dont really expect it to overclock any higher than IB though. I think they are still going to be limited by thermals.

I am still waiting for a test on the final silicon from a reputable site like Anand's, although I am not looking for a great improvement. Some of the tests that show lower performance than IB seem suspect to me though. TH review showed little to no improvement in some areas but no tests that were slower than IB.

 

[podspi]

Noone knows how it OCs yet?

Yea. Even if IPC gain was 0%, if it could OC past 5ghz reliably it would be a win in my book

I do expect some serious gains in perf/watt on the low-power end though, otherwise Haswell does seem to be (according to current leaks) incredibly unimpressive for those who don't care about IGP performance...

 

[frozentundra123456]

Its been out of Intels reach for quite some time now. Major distributors around the world got them stocked in large volumes. Thats how its always been with Intel. Its not like trucks are leaving Intel on june 2nd with the first chips

Obviously, but would they not also have some agreement with the distributor not to release the chips until a certain date? Obviously as well, the distributor could break that agreement, but there must be some sort of penalty that would occur, otherwise the agreement would be meaningless.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Obviously, but would they not also have some agreement with the distributor not to release the chips until a certain date? Obviously as well, the distributor could break that agreement, but there must be some sort of penalty that would occur, otherwise the agreement would be meaningless.

Its impossible to control. Major distributors already moved some to minor distributors or even major retail sellers. It happens every single time year after year. Thats just how it rolls.

 

[MightyMalus]

Hmm, well...if those 3dMark11 scores are true I expect GT3 with that(!) super fast RAM to be faster than a gt650. And the GT3e a bit more, no? Unless the GT3e bandwidth is less than that 2600Mhz RAM?

 

[SlickR12345]

I'll take this with a grain of salt.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Funny how GT2(4600) is faster in Synthetics (Vantage, 3D Mark 11) than GT630 but is almost produces half the frames in real games.

It seems that GT3 will have hard time beating GT630, and people expecting to be close to GT650 because of Intel’s 3D Mark 11 slides.

GT630: GDDR5 memory, bigger bandwidth, 50W just for the GPU
HD4600: Rely on DDR3 system memory, tiny bandwidth, smaller TDP available for the IGP, latency because the IGP have to communicate with the DDR3 system memory

It does fine in synthetic benchmarks, but once you hit the GPU with AA and other goodies, IGP will struggle.
HD5200/GT3 have dedicated memory on the same chip with much bigger bandwidth than GT630, so that will be a complete different scenario than this test

 

[inf64]

Notice how in the above^^ chart HD4600 scores nicely in synthetic benchmarks but once you hit real games its performance plummets way below GT630's level. It's basically 30-133% slower depending on the game and this is with the GPU core @ 1250Mhz and DDR3@ 2600Mhz!

 

[AtenRa]

GT630: GDDR5 memory, bigger bandwidth, 50W just for the GPU
HD4600: Rely on DDR3 system memory, tiny bandwidth, smaller TDP available for the IGP, latency because the IGP have to communicate with the DDR3 system memory

Trinity rely on DDR3 but it seems that it will be faster than GT2(4600) in real games, not to mention Richland and later Kaveri.

HD5200/GT3 have dedicated memory on the same chip with much bigger bandwidth than GT630, so that will be a complete different scenario than this test

There is no GT3e for the desktop, only GT3 and that on BGA, and that will lag behind against the GT640 in real games not to mention GT650.