America haters strike again. I think the 500 is fine, but if Ford is moving to a new corporate 3 bar grille, I don't have a problem with it. The 500 is a great car either way.
Originally posted by: SuperTool
America haters strike again. I think the 500 is fine, but if Ford is moving to a new corporate 3 bar grille, I don't have a problem with it. The 500 is a great car either way.
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
bahahahaha...Ford is already preparing a facelift for the most boring car ever that hasn't been released.
Originally posted by: Vic
While the car is admittedly boring, look at its target market. Last night's Motorweek episode on Speed gave it a very favorable review. Roomy, comfortable, well-appointed for its class, good ride and acceptable handling, 0-60 in the mid 7's, available AWD and CVT, and 29 mpg highway. MSRP fully-loaded might be in the high-20's, but they'll likely sell in the low-to-mid-20's after the usual incentives and rebates. The only drawback I can see is that they should offer the 4.6L V8 as an option (and then it will be the next cop car), but Ford is probably still working on getting the V8 to work with the AWD CVT.
I'm never going to buy one, but knocking it just because it's a bland Ford is pretty lame IMO. Camry and Accords are pretty freakin' bland IMO too.
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: SuperTool
America haters strike again. I think the 500 is fine, but if Ford is moving to a new corporate 3 bar grille, I don't have a problem with it. The 500 is a great car either way.
american hater my ass,
this boring pos will get owned by both dodge mangum and chrysler 300 (both awesome looking cars imo). The new 3 bar grille wont do anything, the headlights aad the whole front that sucks
I wasn't aware that leading edge technologies such as Haldex AWD and CVT made for a stale car.Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
The 500 isn't supposed to be the common family sedan - it's not the Taurus replacement. The Fusion is, which was based off the Ford 427 Concept (which looked pretty damn good). The 500 is a more upscale sedan - how can you polarize your sedans by having your common sedan this (supposedly) kick ass Accord/Camry fighter, with the looks and power, and have a stale car like the 500 as the upscale model?
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: SuperTool
America haters strike again. I think the 500 is fine, but if Ford is moving to a new corporate 3 bar grille, I don't have a problem with it. The 500 is a great car either way.
american hater my ass,
this boring pos will get owned by both dodge mangum and chrysler 300 (both awesome looking cars imo). The new 3 bar grille wont do anything, the headlights aad the whole front that sucks
It will not get owned by a chrysler 300 or dodge magnum at same pricepoint, $22,700.
That will not even get you into a base 300, with 2.7L V6 and 4 speed Auto. The Base 500 has 3L V6 and 6 speed Auto.
This may come as a surprise to you, and it was to me, but apparently a lot of people are turned off by the "pimp my ride" 300 styling.
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: Vic
While the car is admittedly boring, look at its target market. Last night's Motorweek episode on Speed gave it a very favorable review. Roomy, comfortable, well-appointed for its class, good ride and acceptable handling, 0-60 in the mid 7's, available AWD and CVT, and 29 mpg highway. MSRP fully-loaded might be in the high-20's, but they'll likely sell in the low-to-mid-20's after the usual incentives and rebates. The only drawback I can see is that they should offer the 4.6L V8 as an option (and then it will be the next cop car), but Ford is probably still working on getting the V8 to work with the AWD CVT.
I'm never going to buy one, but knocking it just because it's a bland Ford is pretty lame IMO. Camry and Accords are pretty freakin' bland IMO too.
The 500 isn't supposed to be the common family sedan - it's not the Taurus replacement. The Fusion is, which was based off the Ford 427 Concept (which looked pretty damn good). The 500 is a more upscale sedan - how can you polarize your sedans by having your common sedan this (supposedly) kick ass Accord/Camry fighter, with the looks and power, and have a stale car like the 500 as the upscale model?
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: SuperTool
America haters strike again. I think the 500 is fine, but if Ford is moving to a new corporate 3 bar grille, I don't have a problem with it. The 500 is a great car either way.
american hater my ass,
this boring pos will get owned by both dodge mangum and chrysler 300 (both awesome looking cars imo). The new 3 bar grille wont do anything, the headlights aad the whole front that sucks
It will not get owned by a chrysler 300 or dodge magnum at same pricepoint, $22,700.
That will not even get you into a base 300, with 2.7L V6 and 4 speed Auto. The Base 500 has 3L V6 and 6 speed Auto.
This may come as a surprise to you, and it was to me, but apparently a lot of people are turned off by the "pimp my ride" 300 styling.
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: SuperTool
America haters strike again. I think the 500 is fine, but if Ford is moving to a new corporate 3 bar grille, I don't have a problem with it. The 500 is a great car either way.
american hater my ass,
this boring pos will get owned by both dodge mangum and chrysler 300 (both awesome looking cars imo). The new 3 bar grille wont do anything, the headlights aad the whole front that sucks
It will not get owned by a chrysler 300 or dodge magnum at same pricepoint, $22,700.
That will not even get you into a base 300, with 2.7L V6 and 4 speed Auto. The Base 500 has 3L V6 and 6 speed Auto.
This may come as a surprise to you, and it was to me, but apparently a lot of people are turned off by the "pimp my ride" 300 styling.
It sure hasn't hurt it's sales. A simple Google search shows the numerous links that show how great DCX's sales have been (in particular, the 300 and how it exceeded expectations).
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: Vic
While the car is admittedly boring, look at its target market. Last night's Motorweek episode on Speed gave it a very favorable review. Roomy, comfortable, well-appointed for its class, good ride and acceptable handling, 0-60 in the mid 7's, available AWD and CVT, and 29 mpg highway. MSRP fully-loaded might be in the high-20's, but they'll likely sell in the low-to-mid-20's after the usual incentives and rebates. The only drawback I can see is that they should offer the 4.6L V8 as an option (and then it will be the next cop car), but Ford is probably still working on getting the V8 to work with the AWD CVT.
I'm never going to buy one, but knocking it just because it's a bland Ford is pretty lame IMO. Camry and Accords are pretty freakin' bland IMO too.
The 500 isn't supposed to be the common family sedan - it's not the Taurus replacement. The Fusion is, which was based off the Ford 427 Concept (which looked pretty damn good). The 500 is a more upscale sedan - how can you polarize your sedans by having your common sedan this (supposedly) kick ass Accord/Camry fighter, with the looks and power, and have a stale car like the 500 as the upscale model?
The 500 price puts it in competition with mainstream Japanese V6's. It is much bigger than any of them, provides higher comfort and better transmissions, is available with AWD, and has comparable fuel economy. That you would consider it a premium sedan is a testament to its value. The styling is Audiesque. Not overly exciting, but not econobox either. This is a premium sedan at mainstream prices. It will be a huge hit for Ford, as you will soon discover.
"But at 200.7 inches long, the Five Hundred could certainly pass for such a car, with just 3.1 more inches of length packaged between its nose and tail and 1.5 more between the doors than the 73.0-inch-wide Taurus. The wheels get pushed farther to the corners, shrinking the relative front and rear overhangs, with a 4.4-inch-longer wheelbase (at 112.9 inches) and 3.0/2.9-inch-wider track, front/ rear (at 64.6/65.0 inches). But inside, those dimensions result in just 2.7 cubic feet of additional passenger volume?hardly a huge departure from the Taurus?and most of that benefits the rear passengers. In fact, the Taurus provides more front headroom (by 0.6 inch), hip room (by 0.7 inch) and legroom (by 0.9 inch) than the Five Hundred, as well as rear hip room (by 2.0 inches!)."
Originally posted by: DougK62
Taurus with a new name. *yawn*
Originally posted by: andylawcc
oh my, not that front grill design, it is absolutely down right ugly.
ur, Ford already fukked the Focus with the same grill...
oh well, its a family car and I could careless...just don't make Mazda have your design team.
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: DougK62
Taurus with a new name. *yawn*
Exactly what I was thinking.
Taurus = most boring car ever.
Agreed. I think the Ford-hating is happening here because these import fanbois know that Ford is revising itself (finally!) to move in a positive direction. While the average age of its non-fleet buyers might be above 50, this car WILL sell. Comfort, size, adequate power, fuel economy, safety, AWD, and smooth CVT? Old folks who would have otherwise bought V6 Camry's and Avalons are gonna be lining up for this one... especially in the poor weather climes.Originally posted by: SuperTool
The 500 price puts it in competition with mainstream Japanese V6's. It is much bigger than any of them, provides higher comfort and better transmissions, is available with AWD, and has comparable fuel economy. That you would consider it a premium sedan is a testament to its value. The styling is Audiesque. Not overly exciting, but not econobox either. This is a premium sedan at mainstream prices. It will be a huge hit for Ford, as you will soon discover.
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: SuperTool
America haters strike again. I think the 500 is fine, but if Ford is moving to a new corporate 3 bar grille, I don't have a problem with it. The 500 is a great car either way.
american hater my ass,
this boring pos will get owned by both dodge mangum and chrysler 300 (both awesome looking cars imo). The new 3 bar grille wont do anything, the headlights aad the whole front that sucks
It will not get owned by a chrysler 300 or dodge magnum at same pricepoint, $22,700.
That will not even get you into a base 300, with 2.7L V6 and 4 speed Auto. The Base 500 has 3L V6 and 6 speed Auto.
This may come as a surprise to you, and it was to me, but apparently a lot of people are turned off by the "pimp my ride" 300 styling.
It sure hasn't hurt it's sales. A simple Google search shows the numerous links that show how great DCX's sales have been (in particular, the 300 and how it exceeded expectations).
PT cruiser sales also exceeded expectations when it came out.
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: DougK62
Taurus with a new name. *yawn*
Exactly what I was thinking.
Taurus = most boring car ever.
do you mean the current model or all taurus's?
if you are talking all taurus's you are flat out wrong.
Ford dropping the LTD for the Taurus was the most aggressive and chance move ever made by a major manufacturer. and car buyers rewarded ford for it. maybe some of you are too young to remember, but ford in the mid to late 80's redefined the american automobile.
sure they've fallen on hard times lately, but some of us that are a bit older can remember just 10 yrs ago when Nissan was in the same position.
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: SuperTool
America haters strike again. I think the 500 is fine, but if Ford is moving to a new corporate 3 bar grille, I don't have a problem with it. The 500 is a great car either way.
american hater my ass,
this boring pos will get owned by both dodge mangum and chrysler 300 (both awesome looking cars imo). The new 3 bar grille wont do anything, the headlights aad the whole front that sucks
It will not get owned by a chrysler 300 or dodge magnum at same pricepoint, $22,700.
That will not even get you into a base 300, with 2.7L V6 and 4 speed Auto. The Base 500 has 3L V6 and 6 speed Auto.
This may come as a surprise to you, and it was to me, but apparently a lot of people are turned off by the "pimp my ride" 300 styling.
Bah!!!!!!!!
Ford 500 SE starts at $22,795
Chrysler 300 Base starts at $23,920
Ford 500 Limited FWD starts at $26,145
Chrysler 300 Limited starts at $27,720
We're talking about a pissing match here when it comes to price. Regardless, you won't see many plunking down $27,000+ for 203HP. Ford is looking to sell more higher price sedans (i.e., the SEL and Limited models) and 203HP for an upscale sedan is an insult to the buying public.
That "most boring car ever" (I won't disagree) is also one of the best selling cars ever. Apparently boring cars sell very well.Originally posted by: CPA
Exactly what I was thinking.
Taurus = most boring car ever.
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: Vic
While the car is admittedly boring, look at its target market. Last night's Motorweek episode on Speed gave it a very favorable review. Roomy, comfortable, well-appointed for its class, good ride and acceptable handling, 0-60 in the mid 7's, available AWD and CVT, and 29 mpg highway. MSRP fully-loaded might be in the high-20's, but they'll likely sell in the low-to-mid-20's after the usual incentives and rebates. The only drawback I can see is that they should offer the 4.6L V8 as an option (and then it will be the next cop car), but Ford is probably still working on getting the V8 to work with the AWD CVT.
I'm never going to buy one, but knocking it just because it's a bland Ford is pretty lame IMO. Camry and Accords are pretty freakin' bland IMO too.
The 500 isn't supposed to be the common family sedan - it's not the Taurus replacement. The Fusion is, which was based off the Ford 427 Concept (which looked pretty damn good). The 500 is a more upscale sedan - how can you polarize your sedans by having your common sedan this (supposedly) kick ass Accord/Camry fighter, with the looks and power, and have a stale car like the 500 as the upscale model?
The 500 price puts it in competition with mainstream Japanese V6's. It is much bigger than any of them, provides higher comfort and better transmissions, is available with AWD, and has comparable fuel economy. That you would consider it a premium sedan is a testament to its value. The styling is Audiesque. Not overly exciting, but not econobox either. This is a premium sedan at mainstream prices. It will be a huge hit for Ford, as you will soon discover.
Bullcrap. The only thing it has on the other sedans is trunk size:
"But at 200.7 inches long, the Five Hundred could certainly pass for such a car, with just 3.1 more inches of length packaged between its nose and tail and 1.5 more between the doors than the 73.0-inch-wide Taurus. The wheels get pushed farther to the corners, shrinking the relative front and rear overhangs, with a 4.4-inch-longer wheelbase (at 112.9 inches) and 3.0/2.9-inch-wider track, front/ rear (at 64.6/65.0 inches). But inside, those dimensions result in just 2.7 cubic feet of additional passenger volume?hardly a huge departure from the Taurus?and most of that benefits the rear passengers. In fact, the Taurus provides more front headroom (by 0.6 inch), hip room (by 0.7 inch) and legroom (by 0.9 inch) than the Five Hundred, as well as rear hip room (by 2.0 inches!)."
Better transmissions? An unproven CVT and a brand new 6-speed auto...