First Drive: 2005 Ford Five Hundred

RagingBITCH

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EDIT: 9/28/04

http://www.blueovalnews.com/20...dred.quality092804.htm

Blueovalnews reports over 65 quality concerns in initial assembly, which is abnormally high and is causing delays.


Edmunds First Drive

*yawn*

EDIT 9/21/04: Bahahahahaha.......the car isn't even out yet and Ford is preparing a facelift on the car. Seriously, that is bad:

iWon link

UPDATE: Ford Preparing Facelift For Five Hundred Sedan



Monday September 20, 6:24 PM EDT



By Sharon Silke Carty

Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

DETROIT (Dow Jones)--Even though they haven't even hit the market yet, the Ford Five Hundred sedan and Freestyle crossover vehicle will be getting facelifts soon thanks to widespread criticism that the cars are boring.

J Mays, vice president of design at Ford Motor Co. (F), said Monday the company has been working on refreshing the new cars for six or seven months.

"Some have said they were a little too conservative," Mays said. The newer versions will get a few styling changes, including a more aggressive shiny 3-bar grill.

Ford had dubbed 2004 "The Year of the Car" - promising that new products like the Five Hundred would help lift market share. But, unlike the popular Chrysler 300 sedan, the Five Hundred hasn't set the world on fire. Focus groups and magazine critics say that its dull exterior make it a ho-hum offering. And its 203-horsepower 3-liter V6 engine - the only engine offered on the car - is puny compared to Nissan Altima's 3.5-liter V6, which pumps out 250 horsepower.



Boring styling has never been a death knell in the sedan market. Take, for example, the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord, which have sold 272,800 and 242,000 sedans respectively year to date. But Ford doesn't have the same quality reputation as Toyota Motor Corp. (TMC) and Honda Motor Co. (HMC), said Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research, so buyers are likely to go elsewhere.

"If you have a reputation like Toyota and Honda do for building cars that are bulletproof, you can sell boring cars," Spinella said.

Spinella's firm has conducted focus groups with traditional Ford buyers, and they have come away lukewarm on the car. People said the car was "hardly distinguishable from anything else," Spinella said. Comparatively, other focus groups were excited about the Chrysler 300, which has been a hit since its launch earlier this year.

Still, some dealers say customers are are expressing a lot of interest in the car. Jerry Reynolds, owner of Presige Ford in the Dallas area, said he's received as many calls asking about the upcoming Five Hundred as he has for the newly remodeled Ford Mustang, both due out in October.

The new sedan will give Reynolds something to sell against the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord. Ford's current sedan, the Taurus, has become largely a fleet vehicle and doesn't generate much consumer interest.

"I don't have anything that competes," Reynolds said. "This car competes."

Mike Wall, an industry analyst with CSM Worldwide, said the fact that Ford is working on redesigning the car already "is an indication that all is not right in the world." The sedan is too conservative, he said, and lacks a powerful enough engine to compete with the Asian automakers.

Base price for the Five Hundred is $22,795, which is lower than most of its competition. But Spinella said focus group buyers thought that was about the right price - which could be bad news for the sedan. Focus group members thought the Chrysler 300 and Toyota Avalon sedans should be priced a few thousand higher than they actually are.

"The Five Hundred is right about where people think it should be - and without having anything else to distingiush it from the competition, that's not good enough," Spinella siad. "If you're not going to do it with styling, you should do it with price."
 
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Originally posted by: ajayjuneja
Ford just can't profuce a competitive family sedan anymore... how pathetic.

In all fairness, neither can GM, from what I can see.

The concept Five Hundred was at least, well, something different - this is the most ordinary cookie-cutter American sedan imaginable. :thumbsdown:
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: ajayjuneja
Ford just can't profuce a competitive family sedan anymore... how pathetic.

In all fairness, neither can GM, from what I can see.

The concept Five Hundred was at least, well, something different - this is the most ordinary cookie-cutter American sedan imaginable. :thumbsdown:

There never was a 500 Concept IIRC. You might be thinking of the Ford 427, which the Ford Fusion (Taurus replacement) borrows styling cues off of.
 

It's a passat/marauder/ls430/crown vic/accord. Gross.

I like how they use the volvo platform and drivetrain though.
 

amdforever2

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If it were available in a V8 or they boosted the V6 horsepower substantially, the car would be very competitive, I think.

Especially in light of the imminent Ford rebates and financing promotions.
 

DougK62

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: ajayjuneja
Ford just can't profuce a competitive family sedan anymore... how pathetic.

In all fairness, neither can GM, from what I can see.

Last I checked, the Impala was selling VERY well. Number 8 (?) best selling vehicle.

 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: DougK62
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: ajayjuneja
Ford just can't profuce a competitive family sedan anymore... how pathetic.

In all fairness, neither can GM, from what I can see.

Last I checked, the Impala was selling VERY well. Number 8 (?) best selling vehicle.

In that respect - the 500 isn't meant to be the average family sedan, ie, Taurus replacement. The Fusion is. The 500 is a niche semi-premium vehicle.
 

andylawcc

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oh my, not that front grill design, it is absolutely down right ugly.
ur, Ford already fukked the Focus with the same grill...

oh well, its a family car and I could careless...just don't make Mazda have your design team.
 

JDub02

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I'll take a Chrysler 300 over that any day of the week.

The only thing that's keeping Ferd afloat are their trucks .. and the competition there is getting stiffer.

Mopar is where it's at for domestic vehicles now. The SRT-4 owns all other domestic ricers. The 300/Magnum is the nicest domestic family sedan/wagon. The Rams are (arguably) the nicest trucks on the road.

Ford's heading the right way with the new Mustangs .. but not anywhere else. Likewise with Chevy .. the Corvette is the only thing worth noting.
 

SoyBoy004

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Originally posted by: SampSon
It's a passat/marauder/ls430/crown vic/accord. Gross.

I like how they use the volvo platform and drivetrain though.

yeah i definitely saw the passat in it.
 

klah

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At least now I know what to look forward to when I rent a midsize car from Bugdet.
 

natto fire

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Originally posted by: amdforever2
If it were available in a V8 or they boosted the V6 horsepower substantially, the car would be very competitive, I think.

Especially in light of the imminent Ford rebates and financing promotions.

It would also help if they put the engine in the correct way to drive the correct wheels.
 

PricklyPete

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Definitely boring...that engine is just pathetic for current offerings in that market. If they can upgrade that in the next year or so...the car might be competitive...until then...only fleets will be interested.
 

RagingBITCH

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bahahahaha...Ford is already preparing a facelift for the most boring car ever that hasn't been released.
 
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