First GPU-Z of upcoming Nvidia GTX 780!!!

[funnyman86]

To see another over priced Titan now being released just pisses me off quite frankly, might as well take advantage of as many people as they can while they have the opportunity.

I think it's time to switch to ATI. Nvidia thinks they can keep us because of Physx, but I think I heard Physx can even run off some Intel CPUs. I'm about to switch to Intel and ATI gpus. This is ridiculous the way they pumping out this overpriced gpu. I've heard on Overclock, that most games going to be ported over Pc will run on ATI cards better anyways since PS4 and XBOX720 will have ATI cards in them. Aren't ATI Graphics cards offering more bang for the buck right now too?

Nvidia has treated us like crap, tho I did appreciate that they update their drivers very often, but I think I heard that ATI is starting to update their Drivers regularly now too. I don't know. I'm going to hold off before making my final decision, but I think I might switch to ATI.

My current and past Nvidia cards. Gtx 570, 470, and 8800gts 320mb card. Next graphics card? Possibly ATI if Nvidia doesn't get it's act together.

 

[scooterlibby]

Well the time has come to pay the Piper for me. I guess it's karma for the 8800gt glory days and the price wars after that. The fact is, I'm a buyer right now in a seller's market. A gimped Titan and commensurately gimped price is the sweet spot for me. My GTX 580's are hitting up against a V-RAM problem ever since I got the 2560x1440 monitor. The Titan isn't worth it for me, but I'd pay $700 or a bit more for a cut down version and OC it to the hilt.

If you want to trash my reasoning, maybe read about cardinal vs. ordinal utility before you do.

 

[funnyman86]

Well the time has come to pay the Piper for me. I guess it's karma for the 8800gt glory days and the price wars after that. The fact is, I'm a buyer right now in a seller's market. A gimped Titan and commensurately gimped price is the sweet spot for me. My GTX 580's are hitting up against a V-RAM problem ever since I got the 2560x1440 monitor. The Titan isn't worth it for me, but I'd pay $700 or a bit more for a cut down version and OC it to the hilt.

If you want to trash my reasoning, maybe read about cardinal vs. ordinal utility before you do.

Nah man, it's up to you. If you got the money for it, more power to you. I just think most of us are on a budget and 700-1 grand gpus are a bit out of our price-range. :biggrin:

I think the most I've paid for a gpu is 383(including shipping and taxes from newegg) for a gtx 470 which ended up dying but gpu was replaced with a gtx 570.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Well the time has come to pay the Piper for me. I guess it's karma for the 8800gt glory days and the price wars after that. The fact is, I'm a buyer right now in a seller's market. A gimped Titan and commensurately gimped price is the sweet spot for me. My GTX 580's are hitting up against a V-RAM problem ever since I got the 2560x1440 monitor. The Titan isn't worth it for me, but I'd pay $700 or a bit more for a cut down version and OC it to the hilt.

If you want to trash my reasoning, maybe read about cardinal vs. ordinal utility before you do.

If I could do it again, I'd have grabbed 4GB GTX 670s instead of the 2GB ones I have now. Although I did get a sweet deal, a few more weeks wouldn't have killed me.

 

[Wreckem]

I think it's time to switch to ATI. Nvidia thinks they can keep us because of Physx, but I think I heard Physx can even run off some Intel CPUs. I'm about to switch to Intel and ATI gpus. This is ridiculous the way they pumping out this overpriced gpu. I've heard on Overclock, that most games going to be ported over Pc will run on ATI cards better anyways since PS4 and XBOX720 will have ATI cards in them. Aren't ATI Graphics cards offering more bang for the buck right now too?

Nvidia has treated us like crap, tho I did appreciate that they update their drivers very often, but I think I heard that ATI is starting to update their Drivers regularly now too. I don't know. I'm going to hold off before making my final decision, but I think I might switch to ATI.

My current and past Nvidia cards. Gtx 570, 470, and 8800gts 320mb card. Next graphics card? Possibly ATI if Nvidia doesn't get it's act together.

What do you mean get their act together?

Nvidia is currently making niche products for niche markets with chips that couldn't be used in their workstation cards. I dont know why people are blasting Nvidia. They are offering products for which there is a market. AMD would too if they could.

The Titan and Titan LE are enthusiast class cards. Just like the Ares II. Not to mention AMD has recently decided to change their mind and are now going to make an official 7970x2.

As for next gen mainstream cards, neither are supposed to have their next gen mainstream cards(89xx and 7xx) out until Q1'ish 2014. And thats if processes and yeilds can hold up.

 

[Unoid]

I'd prefer Titan on next gen node for 500$

 

[funnyman86]

I understand, you guys are saying that Nvidia will either put their 700 series vs 8000 series against Ati in 2014. Does anyone know if Nvidia's next gpu's will be the 700 series or will they skip a series like they did with 300 jump to 400? That means that they will release 800 vs 8000, or do you think they won't do that?

 

[motsm]

Nvidia is currently making niche products for niche markets with chips that couldn't be used in their workstation cards. I dont know why people are blasting Nvidia. They are offering products for which there is a market. AMD would too if they could.

The Titan could have easily justified it's price if it was released as a niche card sometime shortly after the 680 launched, but not after a year. With that much time gone by, you'd typically start hearing about new cards anyway, which would be the same old $500 GPU with better performance. Of course that would cut into Titan's sales, so why not hold off on anything new until they feel the Titan has run it's course.

Of course AMD would do it too.

 

[Eureka]

The Titan could have easily justified it's price if it was released as a niche card sometime shortly after the 680 launched, but not after a year. With that much time gone by, you'd typically start hearing about new cards anyway, which would be the same old $500 GPU with better performance. Of course that would cut into Titan's sales, so why not hold off on anything new until they feel the Titan has run it's course.

Of course AMD would do it too.

They didn't and won't do it because they've sold every Titan chip they have, including the ones from Kepler release (all of them going into supercomputers for $4k+ a pop). Even at $1k they're selling out. Until the supply catches up or demand falls, it's easy money for them.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Why are people so angry about this Titan LE?

Nobody yet knows the price and yet people are all doom about it.

 

[Eureka]

Why are people so angry about this Titan LE?

Nobody yet knows the price and yet people are all doom about it.

Because ATers are cheap and want performance at a low price. Anything that breaks their perf/$ limit is a cash grab, obviously.

(Well, the 7990 is definitely a cash grab, the Titan probably is too)

 

[funnyman86]

They didn't and won't do it because they've sold every Titan chip they have, including the ones from Kepler release (all of them going into supercomputers for $4k+ a pop). Even at $1k they're selling out. Until the supply catches up or demand falls, it's easy money for them.

They must have a limited supply, because I can't imagine most pc gamers paying 1 grand for gpu at least in America. :biggrin:

 

[Wreckem]

They must have a limited supply, because I can't imagine most pc gamers paying 1 grand for gpu at least in America. :biggrin:

Again it's a niche product. They have more or less always had a $1000 card. They had $799 high end mainstream cards in the past as well. And the supply is limited. The chips in these cards power their $3-4k workstation cards. Titan plays second fiddle to the workstation in terms of supply.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Here is the upcoming GTX Titan LE. Also the name is just a code name for Nvidia and may not be the final GPU name

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-le-spotted-5-gb-gddr5-320-bit-memory/

 

[alcoholbob]

Well the time has come to pay the Piper for me. I guess it's karma for the 8800gt glory days and the price wars after that. The fact is, I'm a buyer right now in a seller's market. A gimped Titan and commensurately gimped price is the sweet spot for me. My GTX 580's are hitting up against a V-RAM problem ever since I got the 2560x1440 monitor. The Titan isn't worth it for me, but I'd pay $700 or a bit more for a cut down version and OC it to the hilt.

If you want to trash my reasoning, maybe read about cardinal vs. ordinal utility before you do.

The 8800GT! That was my first high end card. It was 40-50% the price of the 8800 GTX ($220-250 at release vs $500) and gave you 90% of the performance.

I don't think Nvidia has any motivation to drop the price of the GTX 680 though, that's the only way to give 8800 GT value, by pricing the Titan LE at $500. Most likely $750 is my guess for a 10% performance gap (there isn't much of a gap between the 680 and Titan to divide the gap much more).

 

[nanaki333]

i noticed the gtx 680 cards have dropped quite a bit... maybe they're going to come in at ~$600. there's a sparkle brand 680 on newegg for $419 with no rebates currently. maybe they're adjusting their 480 pricing to introduce this card at a more realistic and affordable price.

 

[tviceman]

i noticed the gtx 680 cards have dropped quite a bit... maybe they're going to come in at ~$600. there's a sparkle brand 680 on newegg for $419 with no rebates currently. maybe they're adjusting their 480 pricing to introduce this card at a more realistic and affordable price.

I think whatever card the refreshed GK104 chip ends up in, it's intro will be $450, essentially replacing what they are going for now but offering slightly better performance and slightly lower average TDP. That's my guess, anyways. I don't think they want to come in at higher prices for essentially the same chips, especially when AMD has the obviously better bundle and faster overall GPU in Tahiti, even if recently GK104 has been holding it's own or even outperforming Tahiti.

 

[Grooveriding]

Here is the upcoming GTX Titan LE. Also the name is just a code name for Nvidia and may not be the final GPU name

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-le-spotted-5-gb-gddr5-320-bit-memory/

This site is a joke and that picture is almost certainly a fake. It's a Titan, it has the Titan heatsink on it. If it is real, the card having the Titan cooler does fit with the expectation that a card using GK110 with two SMX disabled will be sold as Titan LE and still cost a hefty premium though.

Remember their 'exclusive Titan board shot' where they photo-shopped in a GF110 die...

That site is a joke.

 

[Fx1]

780 GTX will suck if its based off the Titan GPU. It barely clocks as it is. offers only 46% performance advantage over 680 gtx and this will fall about 20% faster than 680 which wont be much better than a 7970 if at all.

 

[scooterlibby]

The 8800GT! That was my first high end card. It was 40-50% the price of the 8800 GTX ($220-250 at release vs $500) and gave you 90% of the performance.

I don't think Nvidia has any motivation to drop the price of the GTX 680 though, that's the only way to give 8800 GT value, by pricing the Titan LE at $500. Most likely $750 is my guess for a 10% performance gap (there isn't much of a gap between the 680 and Titan to divide the gap much more).

I ended up getting an open box GTX690 for $790 and I'm set. Everything back to Ultra again.

 

[boxleitnerb]

780 GTX will suck if its based off the Titan GPU. It barely clocks as it is. offers only 46% performance advantage over 680 gtx and this will fall about 20% faster than 680 which wont be much better than a 7970 if at all.

What an idiotic comment, really. Did the HD6970 suck, because it is only 15% faster than the HD5870? What about the GTX580, HD4890, GTX285, 9800Pro etc.?
And "only" 46%? The gap between Titan and the 680 is larger than the gap between the 560Ti and the 580 - despite the fact that the 680 is a little beefed up clockwise, performing exceptionally well for a GF114 successor GPU and that Titan is not even fully enabled.

The Titan LE should be regarded as the true GTX570 successor, and for that it will perform admirably.

 

[Fx1]

What an idiotic comment, really. Did the HD6970 suck, because it is only 15% faster than the HD5870? What about the GTX580, HD4890, GTX285, 9800Pro etc.?
And "only" 46%? The gap between Titan and the 680 is larger than the gap between the 560Ti and the 580 - despite the fact that the 680 is a little beefed up clockwise, performing exceptionally well for a GF114 successor GPU and that Titan is not even fully enabled.

The Titan LE should be regarded as the true GTX570 successor, and for that it will perform admirably.

Sorry IT DOES SUCK. Its also not idiotic.

The 7970 is FASTER than the 6990 which has 2 GPU's! This is a true upgrade! when one flagship card can best the previous dual GPU card.

Give the company your money then for the measly 20% upgrade in FPS. When 20nm drops your going to be crying because your GPU wont even be mentioned on this forum as there will be a serious upgrade actually worth buying.

The 780 GTX will be seriously slow compared to the 20nm chips in 2014 and worthless too.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Sorry IT DOES SUCK. Its also not idiotic.

The 7970 is FASTER than the 6990 which has 2 GPU's! This is a true upgrade! when one flagship card can best the previous dual GPU card.

Give the company your money then for the measly 20% upgrade in FPS. When 20nm drops your going to be crying because your GPU wont even be mentioned on this forum as there will be a serious upgrade actually worth buying.

The 780 GTX will be seriously slow compared to the 20nm chips in 2014 and worthless too.

Where have I said that it would be wise to upgrade from a 680 to a 780? Because that is where your 20% come from. No one in their right mind would do that.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

The 6990 was based on 40nm tech, the 7970 is based on 28nm tech. In contrast, the 680 and 780 and Titan are all based on the same node. Aside from that you're also wrong on the performance. The 7970 GHz is not really faster than the 6990. I certainly is no upgrade in terms of fps. And the fact that you compare AFR to single GPU fps-wise proves how clueless you are since that comparison is badly flawed.

And finally we don't know when 20nm will hit in 2014. If 28nm is any indication of things to come, 20nm GPUs will get quite expensive in the beginning. I wouldn't hold my breath for affordable 20nm GPUs until late 2014 - 18 months after the 780 is released. What price do you put on 18 months gaming fun?

 

[alcoholbob]

What an idiotic comment, really. Did the HD6970 suck, because it is only 15% faster than the HD5870? What about the GTX580, HD4890, GTX285, 9800Pro etc.?

Well, the 6970 did suck, it was only about 10% faster than a 5870 in DX10+, and slower than the 5870 in DX9...that was probably the first flagship generation that there was no point to upgrading.

The 285 was not a big upgrade over the 280, but it merely supplanted to 280's price, rather than costing more than its original msrp.

GTX Titan is probably relatively probably the worst value per dollar Nvidia has ever offered in its history, consider the relationship between the 7970 GHz edition and the GTX Titan...now think back to the 8800 Ultra ($649) vs 8800 GTX ($499) days. Imagine the 8800 Ultra is about 5%-10% faster than it really was, and cost $1,250 instead of $649. That's the kind of value the GTX Titan is offering.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Well, the 6970 did suck, it was only about 10% faster than a 5870 in DX10+, and slower than the 5870 in DX9...that was probably the first flagship generation that there was no point to upgrading.

The 285 was not a big upgrade over the 280, but it merely supplanted to 280's price, rather than costing more than its original msrp.

GTX Titan is probably relatively probably the worst value per dollar Nvidia has ever offered in its history, consider the relationship between the 7970 GHz edition and the GTX Titan...now think back to the 8800 Ultra ($649) vs 8800 GTX ($499) days. Imagine the 8800 Ultra is about 5%-10% faster than it really was, and cost $1,250 instead of $649. That's the kind of value the GTX Titan is offering.

I don't deny that the value of Titan is abysmal. Yet Fx1 seems to think that 20% improvement over the 680 is somehow bad when that kind of thing has always happened with refreshes in the past. And we don't know the price of the 780 yet.
The 6970 was never slower than the 5870 btw, don't know where you got that.