First: GTX 680 review !!!

[BoFox]

TL;DR (well, I did skim over your post and got the "gist" of it).

I do not need to repeat myself, but it was just an opinion of mine regarding GTX 680 and why I would recommend it as the ultimate card to have if the early review is a truthful indicator. Even if GTX 680 turns out to be 10% slower (with the review being completely wrong), I'd STILL recommend it anyways for S3D, even if it costs $50 more. 3D is truly awesome, as a testament. Some options need to be turned off or reduced for fluid gameplay in 3D.. An analogy of the added dimension is that I'd prefer 640x480 in color over 1024x768 in black-and-white.

It's my freely expressed opinion, and I do not want it to be the worst flame-baiting in the history of ATF but from the looks of it, my frank opinion is attracting the haters like moths to light.

The key reasons why I'd recommend it are probably clear enough for a gamer who wants to enjoy the awesome PC experience with whatever $$ he has to spend. Batman: AA really did look unacceptably abysmal without PhsyX - like as if half of the environment was missing, that's all. I would have been enraged without the atmosphere, and do not wish for my friends to have to endure this disadvantage. I try to give the best recommendation to my friends, and my opinion on GTX 680 is also fearlessly presented to the world without excess cynicism or skepticism regarding this early review.

Enough for now, unless you want more explanation on the key reasons - or just to discuss. I'm kinda ignoring the hostile troll-ish posts, just skimming over this, but a sincere discussion is cool with me.

BTW- I did catch this part:

..you spouting crap..

And well, it warrants reporting, in an effort to help keep ATF clean.

 

[Silverforce11]

The fact you recommend a card that isn't even released, with metrics not even measured, shows your true fanboism nature. Argue that however you like, can't escape illogical rubbish such as that.

Others here hope gk104 will be awesome. You are like an Apple idol even recommending a product you have no clue about.

 

[BoFox]

The fact you recommend a card that isn't even released, with metrics not even measured, shows your true fanboism nature. Argue that however you like, can't escape illogical rubbish such as that.

Others here hope gk104 will be awesome. You are like an Apple idol even recommending a product you have no clue about.

Yeah, let's just be patient..

It'd what I'd recommend to myself, LOL!

Assuming that it won't have some serious problems like defective silicon pads or something like the 65nm notebook parts in the past, assuming that it'll at least be within 10% of HD 7970's overall performance, and assuming that the key features (and millions of clues) in the early review are not false...

Sorry I'm not similarly riddled with hatred or cynicism towards GTX 680.. apologies!

I proudly proclaim out in the open, it's what I'd recommend to myself and to my beloved companions (with a 90+% confidence)!

 

[allenk09]

Wasn't this supposed to be like, 60% faster than the 7970?

 

[BoFox]

I wish!! You're probably thinking about the fully-blown Kepler (GK112), not a mid-range designation (GK104). Some are guessing that GK112 won't be out for several months down the road..

 

[aaksheytalwar]

The 7970 was tested on a i7 950 and the 680 on a 3930k.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...S.-7970-i7-950-3.28GHz-the-truth-is-out-there

 

[BoFox]

In that blurry screenshot, the 7970 was clocked at 1060MHz, a much higher overclock..

Totally worthless... the AMD force is strong..

 

[BFG10K]

Retail listing: http://www.comcom.nl/p/zotac/defaul..._ddr5_256_bit_1006_6008hdcp_dual_dvi_hdmi_dp/

 

[Gloomy]

In that blurry screenshot, the 7970 was clocked at 1060MHz, a much higher overclock..

Totally worthless... the AMD force is strong..

It's a clock for clock comparison. Further proof of industrial espionage on Nvidia's part.

 

[BoFox]

It's a clock for clock comparison. Further proof of industrial espionage on Nvidia's part.

Yep, NV wanted to become bed buddies with AMD, with the identical "sizes".. just for the heck of it, for a change! :biggrin:

 

[X98]

LOL amd XD

 

[Arzachel]

I do not need to repeat myself, but it was just an opinion of mine regarding GTX 680 and why I would recommend it as the ultimate card to have if the early review is a truthful indicator. Even if GTX 680 turns out to be 10% slower (with the review being completely wrong), I'd STILL recommend it anyways for S3D, even if it costs $50 more.

So even if what AMD offers is objectively superior, you still wouldn't buy it due to a feature that has a very limited userbase, that a ton of people can't even physically use (*waves hand*, got slight astigmatism, my eyesight is pretty good, but all 3d does for me is make me groan), and that's not even exclusive to Nvidia, it's just easier to use.

Sorry, but I think you fit the definition of a fanboy pretty well.

 

[krumme]

We'll just have to wait and see.. just a few days left. Patience.. patience.. the truth will prevail! If it does beat HD 7970 at 2560x1600, this would be exhilarating for a GK104 card that's mid-range by design!

By the way, the jedi-force of AMD marketing sure is strong in this thread! :sneaky:

Excactly we will see. It can be 10% +/- whatever, and the price will be set accordingly.

But even before the test, you will be recommending it to your brother and yourself, so what are you looking for in the test?

I have never owned a AMD/ATI card, so even by AMD marketing standards, taking me as a prime example of AMD marketing or frontrunner is a bit of a stretch . So dont expect me to to write about the 680 nv card "Of course we all wish they were half that for this level of performance"

 

[lavaheadache]

I wish!! You're probably thinking about the fully-blown Kepler (GK112), not a mid-range designation (GK104). Some are guessing that GK112 won't be out for several months down the road..

If the best nVidia can do right now is their "midrange" gpu then how the heck can one fault the 7970 for only being competetive with such part. They were able to bring it months before your beloved company and as far as I'm concerned were very conservative in doing so.

Keep calling it a midrange designed part but it is the BEST that they can deliver right now ( actually, it's not even delivered).

How can we say with confidence that AMD didn't design the 7970 to be a mainstream product with a "real" highend card to be released around the time of GK112 or whatever the gpu you keep regarding as if it is the second coming of Jesus?

Just to summarize other notable points..

Physx- Great in 1 or 2 titles, mediocre in a hand full and totally non existant in the majority.

3d- It's decent but I find it to be very tiring on my eyes and head and only have used mine a dozen times or so.

 

[railven]

By the way, the jedi-force of AMD marketing sure is strong in this thread! :sneaky:

ABT elite who's posting history is about 40% in the last 2-3 days accusing more AMD viral marketing at ATF?

Ahhhh, I see where he is going with that. Glad to know the "crusade" is still on!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Anyways, as far as AMD having clock speed headroom, I question it.

Here is a ASUS card reviewed at stock and 1125 core.

The 580 is what, a 240 TDP card? At 1125 core power consumption of the 7970 system is almost 100 watts more than the 580.

Nvidia already has slides drawn up showing their 680 being faster while using less power, I don't think AMD would be in a better position if they marketed the 7970 as slightly faster with 100+ more TDP.

 

[Creig]

Thank you, BoFox, for dragging this thread down into the mud.

 

[Tempered81]

Yup Nvidia has AMD beat on performance/watt and performance/mm2 metrics. No doubt about it. The only thing that comes close is 7870 Pitcairn gpu, while it will rival GK104's performance/mm2 and performance/watt, it can't reach the high level of performance GK104 is capable of.

While it's great that Nvidia has superior engineering now, it's a double edged sword. Do you really think they plan to release Big Kepler without competition? I doubt it. GK104x2 board will be what competes with New Zealand, while Nvidia takes their sweet time with a $550 290mm2 golden goose.

 

[Keysplayr]

Huh? $550 :hmm:

Come on Keys, that search took me 10 seconds.

Any rumors of whether there will be availability at launch? If the 680 is really 25% faster than Tahiti and OC's like stink, I may switch to the green team this round.

Come on Elfear, this took me 5 seconds.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...n=7970&x=0&y=0

Prices just on newegg right now range from 549.99 to 579.99 for STOCK clocked 7970 and an overclocked model at 594.99. So dude, am I wrong now? You have to be just as fair as you ask me to be and it would have been nice if you were good enough to post this spectrum instead of trying to make me look like a liar. One thing I could have worded better. "Some" 7970 are pushing 600. Admitted. Thanks bud.

 

[Meaker10]

What do you care that there are more expensive cards? You would buy the cheapest one........

 

[NIGELG]

What the hell happened to this thread?

 

[Crap Daddy]

What the hell happened to this thread?

As usual.

 

[Arzachel]

Yup Nvidia has AMD beat on performance/watt and performance/mm2 metrics. No doubt about it. The only thing that comes close is 7870 Pitcairn gpu, while it will rival GK104's performance/mm2 and performance/watt, it can't reach the high level of performance GK104 is capable of.

While it's great that Nvidia has superior engineering now, it's a double edged sword. Do you really think they plan to release Big Kepler without competition? I doubt it. GK104x2 board will be what competes with New Zealand, while Nvidia takes their sweet time with a $550 290mm2 golden goose.

Kinda hard to say that Kepler is superior when it hasn't been released yet. Nvidia's TDP != AMD's TDP and the two 6pin connectors could just be a way to avoid competing with themselves when GK110/112 is released.

Anyways, New Zealand won't compete with GK110/112, Central/Canary Islands will. We'll probably see the same people arguing that Kepler is/isn't late switch sides.

 

[Crap Daddy]

Kinda hard to say that Kepler is superior when it hasn't been released yet. Nvidia's TDP != AMD's TDP and the two 6pin connectors could just be a way to avoid competing with themselves when GK110/112 is released.

Come on, you really think that the GTX680 will be inferior to the 7970? The GK110 whatever version will not be released soon. I'm sure we'll see a dual GK104 first.

 

[Keysplayr]

What do you care that there are more expensive cards? You would buy the cheapest one........

I don't care. I wouldn't buy any of them.