First GTX1070 review

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Hitman928

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Its momentary when you consider that graph and how much more time, by far, the speeds stay above reference.

30 minutes. 6 hours, six days.
Average all those clocks together and can you honestly say that the average would drop below advertised boost clocks at all? Of course you couldnt, because it would absolutely not. At least in this example you provided.

1) Why are you now only counting average clock speed? Follow the discussion, my post you originally quoted was in response to another poster. Maybe if you read that post it might make more since that what you are apparently arguing is not relevant.

2) Why are you still ignoring the computerbase.de results from within a case? I can't tell if you're arguing just to argue or if you're trying to set up straw men. Either way, it is irrelevant to what was the discussion at hand.
 

Keysplayr

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320 shader (which isnt much) advantage on the 980ti and unsure if the 384 bus 7+Ghz GDDR5 Offers an advantage over 10Ghz 256 bit GDDR5X.
 

Keysplayr

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1) Why are you now only counting average clock speed? Follow the discussion, my post you originally quoted was in response to another poster. Maybe if you read that post it might make more since that what you are apparently arguing is not relevant.

2) Why are you still ignoring the computerbase.de results from within a case? I can't tell if you're arguing just to argue or if you're trying to set up straw men. Either way, it is irrelevant to what was the discussion at hand.

Oh brother. Calm down dude... If you dont want to directly address my point by saying its irrelevant, well, thats fine.

And Im not ignoring anything. I explicitly said, "At least in this example you provided"

MEANING, that there could be other instances that show different results. I was going by the graph you posted.
Whats the problem now?
 
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Qwertilot

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1) Why are you now only counting average clock speed? Follow the discussion, my post you originally quoted was in response to another poster. Maybe if you read that post it might make more since that what you are apparently arguing is not relevant.

Well this bit of the discussion can perhaps be explained Its a boost clock you know? If the card finds itself without enough to do justify holding the boost clock then it'll drop off it on a momentary basis. Doesn't have to be thermally throttling to do that, simply what it is designed to do.

The graph presumably looks rather like you'd expect of something holding a ~1780 boost (once it drops back from the huge clocks it tried earlier on.).

Definitely the graphs I've seen of things thermally throttling (plenty on the main site in mobile/core M reviews!) have the whole graph trending down, including the top boost clock.
(As for the rest/what happens in cases, I've no opinion!).
 

Keysplayr

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Well this bit of the discussion can perhaps be explained Its a boost clock you know? If the card finds itself without enough to do justify holding the boost clock then it'll drop off it on a momentary basis. Doesn't have to be thermally throttling to do that, simply what it is designed to do.

The graph presumably looks rather like you'd expect of something holding a ~1780 boost (once it drops back from the huge clocks it tried earlier on.).

Definitely the graphs I've seen of things thermally throttling (plenty on the main site in mobile/core M reviews!) have the whole graph trending down, including the top boost clock.
(As for the rest/what happens in cases, I've no opinion!).

You know, I didnt even consider this, and Im guessing neither did hitman. Thanks Q.

And Id rather see realtime graphs from computerbase than a spreadsheet that doesnt properly show clock movement. Graphs like what hitman posted are perfect.
 

Hitman928

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Oh brother. Calm down dude... If you dont want to directly address my point by saying its irrelevant, well, thats fine.

And Im not ignoring anything. I explicitly said, "At least in this example you provided"

MEANING, that there could be other instances that show different results. I was going by the graph you posted.
Whats the problem now?

Why are you suggesting that I'm upset? I'm not upset at all and I don't think anything in my post should lead to that conclusion.

Perhaps to clear it up, what exactly was your point when you first quoted me as it related to the discussion I was having with the other posters?
 

Hitman928

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Well this bit of the discussion can perhaps be explained Its a boost clock you know? If the card finds itself without enough to do justify holding the boost clock then it'll drop off it on a momentary basis. Doesn't have to be thermally throttling to do that, simply what it is designed to do.

The graph presumably looks rather like you'd expect of something holding a ~1780 boost (once it drops back from the huge clocks it tried earlier on.).

Definitely the graphs I've seen of things thermally throttling (plenty on the main site in mobile/core M reviews!) have the whole graph trending down, including the top boost clock.
(As for the rest/what happens in cases, I've no opinion!).

Fair enough. Without seeing performance numbers or a video showing what is happening, you can't say for sure in this specific case, though I'm inclined to side with having some thermal issues when the card has hit its thermal limit and other sites show similar throttling (or worse) with stock fan speeds. For instance, at Tom's, you can see the card throttle way down below boost clocks (at about base) but it has moments where it goes back up most likely when the card didn't need to work as hard so it could boost higher and stay at the thermal limit until the load increased again. I'd have to see if DF or someone did a video of it to check, but the pattern seems clear to me.



http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-pascal,4572-11.html
 
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VulgarDisplay

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all this talk about throttling with the FE cooler and in 1-2 months when there's ample supply of custom 1070 / 1080s, people will stop caring to bring it up

Titan X cooler throttled and people stopped talking about that once 980 Ti got released in mass
The point is that you are dumb to buy a sub par card for an inflated price when there are going to be better options for less very soon.



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antihelten

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For instance, at Tom's, you can see the card throttle way down below boost clocks (at about base) but it has moments where it goes back up most likely when the card didn't need to work as hard so it could boost higher and stay at the thermal limit until the load increased again. I'd have to see if DF or someone did a video of it to check, but the pattern seems clear to me.



http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-pascal,4572-11.html

Again it is worth noting that Tom's also uses an open air test bench:



So once again we're looking at the best case scenario.
 

Qwertilot

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Well, the 4k/100%/overclocked run seems to be doing quite well there. Must be awfully loud of course!

The 4k/standard run does seem to be falling off rather though. Since the cooler can clearly tame the OC run, it must also be capable of taming the non OC heat production. Presume it just needs a more aggressive fan curve.
(Not that I can imagine wanting to buy one of these vs a AIB card ).
 

ShintaiDK

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I would guess the fan curve have been changed for release drivers. The next driver update got a fix for the fan issue where it randomly spins up for a split second.

Anyway, my GTX1080 with high ambient and a crammed ITX case got no issues keeping high boost clocks.
 

antihelten

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I would guess the fan curve have been changed for release drivers. The next driver update got a fix for the fan issue where it randomly spins up for a split second.

Anyway, my GTX1080 with high ambient and a crammed ITX case got no issues keeping high boost clocks.

Just out of curiosity, but which case are you using?
 

iiiankiii

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I would guess the fan curve have been changed for release drivers. The next driver update got a fix for the fan issue where it randomly spins up for a split second.

Anyway, my GTX1080 with high ambient and a crammed ITX case got no issues keeping high boost clocks.

do you mind running Metro last Light for 15 minutes in your case and post your MSI afterburner screen shoot? Fan speed and temperature targets are also important things to take note. That would help clarify things up because the other tests ran by other professional reviewers seem to contradict your statement.
 

Keysplayr

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Why are you suggesting that I'm upset? I'm not upset at all and I don't think anything in my post should lead to that conclusion.

Perhaps to clear it up, what exactly was your point when you first quoted me as it related to the discussion I was having with the other posters?

Well, if you weren't upset, it sure looked like it. And there isn't anything to clear up man. What you and I were talking about couldnt have been any simpler. Understood by most anybody.. If they say they can't they be fibbin.
 

ShintaiDK

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Just out of curiosity, but which case are you using?

Silverstone SG08B.

do you mind running Metro last Light for 15 minutes in your case and post your MSI afterburner screen shoot? Fan speed and temperature targets are also important things to take note. That would help clarify things up because the other tests ran by other professional reviewers seem to contradict your statement.

Sorry I dont own Metro Last Light. Could it be Witcher 3, Fallout 4, Far Cry 4, Elite or even Warhammer?
 

ShintaiDK

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Ok, ran a ~20mins test just using Warhammer with everything maxed.

Ambient temperature in the room is 28.4C. ITX case is SG08B, the case fan was stopped. Case temperature after ~20mins was 47.6C measured with an IR over the power connector. Case on the graphics side is placed 3.5cm from the wall. Wall temperature was 36.9C after ~20mins (Reinforced concrete wall). Front of the case got 5.5cm to the wall. Case is in a corner, blowing air behind my monitor. SSD in the bottom of the case below the motherboard reads 50C. My else cool running CPU reached 72C (Almost Prime95 temperature).

So pretty much worst case scenario possible. Yet still maintained 1734Mhz boost.
 
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faseman

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Fair enough. Without seeing performance numbers or a video showing what is happening, you can't say for sure in this specific case, though I'm inclined to side with having some thermal issues when the card has hit its thermal limit and other sites show similar throttling (or worse) with stock fan speeds. For instance, at Tom's, you can see the card throttle way down below boost clocks (at about base) but it has moments where it goes back up most likely when the card didn't need to work as hard so it could boost higher and stay at the thermal limit until the load increased again. I'd have to see if DF or someone did a video of it to check, but the pattern seems clear to me.



http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-pascal,4572-11.html


$700+ card that throttles to basic clocks after 10 minutes of gaming. Rofl what a joke! It's even an OPENAIR setup.
 

antihelten

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Silverstone SG08B.

Nice little case, I have an SG10 myself.

Sorry I dont own Metro Last Light. Could it be Witcher 3, Fallout 4, Far Cry 4, Elite or even Warhammer?

According to Computerbase.de Witcher 3 is one of the worst games, throttling wise (basically only anno 2205 is worse).

So if you want to test for throttling that should be fine. Also computerbase tested at 4K, I don't know if you have a 4K monitor, but otherwise it might be worth testing with DSR.
 

iiiankiii

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Ok, ran a ~20mins test just using Warhammer with everything maxed.

Ambient temperature in the room is 28.4C. ITX case is SG08B, the case fan was stopped. Case temperature after ~20mins was 47.6C measured with an IR over the power connector. Case on the graphics side is placed 3.5cm from the wall. Wall temperature was 36.9C after ~20mins (Reinforced concrete wall). Front of the case got 5.5cm to the wall. Case is in a corner, blowing air behind my monitor. SSD in the bottom of the case below the motherboard reads 50C. My else cool running CPU reached 72C (Almost Prime95 temperature).

So pretty much worst case scenario possible. Yet still maintained 1734Mhz boost.

Thanks for running the test. Based on the data, it looks like you're no where near your max power limit. Plus, the game doesn't seem to be maxing out your GPU usage. Maybe you're slightly CPU bounded? It would make sense because RTS are heavily CPU bounded.

I think trying a game that pushes TDP and GPU usage to its max will offer a clearer picture.
 

Bacon1

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Ok, ran a ~20mins test just using Warhammer with everything maxed.

Ambient temperature in the room is 28.4C. ITX case is SG08B, the case fan was stopped. Case temperature after ~20mins was 47.6C measured with an IR over the power connector. Case on the graphics side is placed 3.5cm from the wall. Wall temperature was 36.9C after ~20mins (Reinforced concrete wall). Front of the case got 5.5cm to the wall. Case is in a corner, blowing air behind my monitor. SSD in the bottom of the case below the motherboard reads 50C. My else cool running CPU reached 72C (Almost Prime95 temperature).

So pretty much worst case scenario possible. Yet still maintained 1734Mhz boost.

Your GPU isn't running @ 100%, MAX it hit was 97% usage. Are you able to run @ 1900? OC at all? Its a $100 extra premium cooler and board so I'd expect to see you somewhere close to the 2.1ghz @ under 70c they showed off.
 

Keysplayr

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Your GPU isn't running @ 100%, MAX it hit was 97% usage. Are you able to run @ 1900? OC at all? Its a $100 extra premium cooler and board so I'd expect to see you somewhere close to the 2.1ghz @ under 70c they showed off.

Bacon, you do realize it's probably better to wait for the AIB cards if you want to overclock, despite the "premium" price for the "premium" cooler on the FE cards, right? That ASUS Strix OC card looks killer. Just FYI.
 

boozzer

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980Ti is a damn fine piece of hardware.
when I look at the performance of the gpus over the last 5-10 years. the last 3 years has been absolute crap.

a 980 ti beating 1070 is not a good sign, it just means the newest gen are turds
 
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