First GTX1070 review

[boozzer]

I was pretty set on getting a 1070, and while I know its still early, I notice most of the disappointment I'm seeing comes from comparing it to an existing high end card, 980ti titan x, fury etc. I get it 100%...

My question, for someone like me who is coming from practically nothing (amd hd5770), is 1070 still a good card to get for me? Or should I look at something else? My usage is video and photo editing. Light gaming...dota 2/h1z1

I have a 1600p monitor and would like to run things at native res or at least 1200p.

if you don't mind, why are you so set on getting the 1070? I am not one of those that will try to change your mind, I would just like to know why you are so set on it.

 

[ShintaiDK]

NDA lifted. Guru3d review. Site being hammered.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review,1.html

:thumbsup:

Performance is as expected, just over Titan X performance.

 

[boozzer]

The GTX 1070 is a fine card. But, I think we've been spoiled by the awesome high scaling and overclocking from Maxwell. Nvidia basically pushed the GP104 cards to their limits. That's fine. It just removes the excitement of getting a lot more "free" performance from these cards.

factory oc cards are not free performance, they were 100$ premiums or more. the oc headroom/performance were used for the comparisons. so it will be use now.

 

[2blzd]

The 1070 is a super card for anyone with a 970 or below. Unless you play more demanding games than Dota 2. You may want a 1060 instead when they soon come.

:thumbsup: I kind of figured that, but I wanted to get some opinions just in case I should spend my $400 VC budget on something else.

The GTX 1070 is a fine card. But, I think we've been spoiled by the awesome high scaling and overclocking from Maxwell. Nvidia basically pushed the GP104 cards to their limits. That's fine. It just removes the excitement of getting a lot more "free" performance from these cards.

I totally get that..At first it bothered me, seeing post after post throwing the 1070 under the bus because its only x% faster than a 980ti..How many of those people actually have a 980ti is what I want to know, or are they just #s and spec snobs? Anyway, back to what you said, we are spoiled. And I think people tend to forget maxwell was the 4th? card on the 28nm node..vs Pascal being the 1st card on the 16nm node...Of course maxwell is going to be much more well tuned and have a higher headroom. The engineers have being working on that 28nm process for far longer

if you don't mind, why are you so set on getting the 1070? I am not one of those that will try to change your mind, I would just like to know why you are so set on it.

I shoot and edit video and photography for a living. Premiere Pro and other Adobe apps are GPU accelerated and love cuda cores. The more cuda cores and the more VRAM, the faster and happier Premiere Pro will be. I don't game enough to justify spending $600 on a 1080. But I also want the most VRAM and CUDA cores possible. The fact that the 1070 has 8GB, regardless of it being 'regular' GDDR5 is amazing, considering the 980ti had 6gb last generation and cost $300 more. With my $400ish VCG budget, the 1070 just makes great sense. Granted, I am still waiting to see what Polaris does to the market. Linus Techtips did a modern GPU accelerated benchmark in Premiere and found that running OpenCL on AMD card was just as fast as running CUDA on Nvidia cards. So if the polaris is amazing for $300 and has 8GB of ram, I may consider that as well. But Adobe loves CUDA, so I can't ignore that.

 

[boozzer]

ahh ok you need cuda.

 

[Head1985]

Looking at performance OC 970 vs OC 1070.So far it looks like 40-50% gain.

It is really good card if we look at stock performance.Not so great if we overclock both cards.
It is like AMD cards +10% after OC.

http://pclab.pl/art69901-33.html
http://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficzn...epca_gtx_970_szybszy_niz_gtx_980_ti?page=0,15

 

[2blzd]

ahh ok you need cuda.

Were you simply, just curious? I dont mind explaining myself, but it seemed as if you had some input. Please share if you have anything that might help me



Also Shintai, a 1060 could be great, but will it have a full 256-bit memory bus like its bigger brothers, or will it be cut down? I was close to buying a 960 until I realized it had terrible memory performance. Thats why the 1070 seems attractive to me..

Curious, does anyone see AIBs slapping GDDR5X on a 1070 later down the line, say 5-6 months from now? Could be an unofficial 1070ti from AIBS

 

[ShintaiDK]

1060 is based on GP106 it seems.

6GB 192bit, 90-100W, GTX970-GTX980 performance, 249-279$.

You could see 1070 with GDDR5X. With the 2017 refresh line I'm sure it will get it, tho under different name.

 

[linkgoron]

Looking at performance OC 970 vs OC 1070.So far it looks like 40-50% gain.

It is really good card if we look at stock performance.Not so great if we overclock both cards.
It is like AMD cards +10% after OC.

http://pclab.pl/art69901-33.html
http://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficzn...epca_gtx_970_szybszy_niz_gtx_980_ti?page=0,15

According to that pclab review, the 1070 is around 2-3% better than the Titan X. Even if we add another 10% with OC (and from a quick look, it looks like OC gains are less than 10%) - it seems that the 980ti xtreme gaming still has better performance even after you OC the 1070.

AIB cards might change the picture in favor of the 1070.

Basically, at stock the performance is about where nvidia said it would fall, which is IMO good performance, however the FE looks like bad value, similarly to the 1080FE.

 

[boozzer]

Were you simply, just curious? I dont mind explaining myself, but it seemed as if you had some input. Please share if you have anything that might help me



Also Shintai, a 1060 could be great, but will it have a full 256-bit memory bus like its bigger brothers, or will it be cut down? I was close to buying a 960 until I realized it had terrible memory performance. Thats why the 1070 seems attractive to me..

Curious, does anyone see AIBs slapping GDDR5X on a 1070 later down the line, say 5-6 months from now? Could be an unofficial 1070ti from AIBS

just simply curious.

I usually don't ever try to convince anyone. I am on this forum mainly to read and gather info for my own purchases. I am a gamer, I don't have any other considerations besides gaming benchmarks. as long as a gpu can beat my current card by 50% or more and cost less than 300$, I start looking for sales and buy it. it has worked really well the last 7 years. even though I found deals on used AIB 980 tis, I am still gonna wait for polaris reviews.

you seemed to know exactly what you want and what you need, that is very smart :thumbsup: you want cuda = 100% nv. you just might want to check if a 980 ti + 20% oc can give you more performance than a 1070 + oc in cuda. used 980 ti are now ridiculously cheap :0

 

[brandonmatic]

Techspot review is up. Looks like 11-13% overclock performance increase.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1182-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/page6.html

 

[boozzer]

Techspot review is up. Looks like 11-13% overclock performance increase.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1182-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/page6.html

that means a 980 ti AIB with 20% factory oc will beat it.

 

[SolMiester]

that means a 980 ti AIB with 20% factory oc will beat it.

Your point is?

 

[Azix]

Not too long to wait for polaris info. The 1070 puts AMD in a tough position in terms of their Fiji cards. Even if those cards are faster in dx12 games, people will be picking based on dx11. So dropping the price just wont work and the cards would be sold at a loss probably.

I think they actually need to stop making/selling fiji cards. If they did not plan to beat fury x performance with polaris, they are in a tough spot at least regarding fiji. They could still do fine on the sub $350 segment if the 1070 cards stay above $400.

They have to push dx12 like a mother now.

I dont really like nvidia launch reviews but they matter. Some time down the road we'll see where the cards actually settle in. You can bet they've optimized the crap out of the most common benchmark games to look good.

 

[x3sphere]

OC to OC, 980 Ti is faster but I think AIB cards will close the gap more.

EVGA is only asking for a $20 premium over MSRP on its base ACX 3.0 cooler model with the 1080: http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6181-KR

If similar prices hold for the 1070 (+$20 for a decent AIB card), I think picking up a used 980 Ti at $400 would be a mistake.

 

[Azix]

OC to OC, 980 Ti is faster but I think AIB cards will close the gap more.

EVGA is only asking for a $20 premium over MSRP on its base ACX 3.0 cooler model with the 1080: http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6181-KR

If similar prices hold for the 1070 (+$20 for a decent AIB card), I think picking up a used 980 Ti at $400 would be a mistake.

There isnt that much OC to be had. These cards boost high already. Maybe 100-250 more mhz. I think what will happen is they can maintain the OC for longer.

but the 16nm benefit for lower power consumption and the lower price with more vram to me makes it better. Some might say no reason to sell a 980ti to get this, but I would say sell your 980ti while it still can go for more than this costs.

 

[MagickMan]

Your point is?

If you have a 980TI that can OC over 1300MHz, which is pretty much all of them, keep it.

 

[boozzer]

Your point is?

read my previous posts in this very same thread????????????????????????

 

[Cookie Monster]

Im glad we're finally seeing 16nm and soon 14nm based products. I know it's often overlooked compared to performance numbers but the power consumption figures are great. According to guru3d, a 1070 is about 89W less than a 980Ti (35.6%) while performing at a similar level or slightly higher.

 

[SolMiester]

If you have a 980TI that can OC over 1300MHz, which is pretty much all of them, keep it.

Surely that was a given!...I wouldn't expect anyone with previous generation flagship to jump for either 1080 or 1070.
NV target for these are the 780/780Ti.

 

[Stuka87]

Techspot review is up. Looks like 11-13% overclock performance increase.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1182-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/page6.html

Problem is they suffer from the same throttling issues as the 1080. So like the 1080 FE, skip the 1070 FE. Wait for AIB cards if you want one.

 

[3DVagabond]

Im glad we're finally seeing 16nm and soon 14nm based products. I know it's often overlooked compared to performance numbers but the power consumption figures are great. According to guru3d, a 1070 is about 89W less than a 980Ti (35.6%) while performing at a similar level or slightly higher.

So same perf for 36% less power? Seems low.

 

[zentan]

Im glad we're finally seeing 16nm and soon 14nm based products. I know it's often overlooked compared to performance numbers but the power consumption figures are great. According to guru3d, a 1070 is about 89W less than a 980Ti (35.6%) while performing at a similar level or slightly higher.

Absolutely,been too long on 28nm. Just need more tiers to come up from both Nvidia and AMD

 

[Flapdrol1337]

So same perf for 36% less power? Seems low.

Well, 36% less means 56% more, satisfied with that number?

 

[jabroni619]

So... this is a very bad news from nVIDIA... the 1080 was so good, but the 1070 is.... near 35% slower?
WHAT THE HELL THEY WERE THINKING?
To make it worse is AMD's chance to strike back with the 480..

And that's only on references cards.... So... nVIDIA needs to have excellent custom cards or they will have a very bad time...

BTW... even Fury Nano can deal with 1070... so time for AMD to lower the prices once again....

And to make it worse... is unlikely to see Custom Mini ITX cards from those 2 guys for a long while.
Expected to see a better cards that the 970 "dissaster".... I was wrong. It's a same troublesome card and they are inaugurating the XX70 curse with that.

Pretty sure your assessment is flawed. First you need to look at the price difference between the 1070 and 1080, it's huge, the performance is expected to be fairly large.

Secondly, you're getting 980Ti level performance for far cheaper. If you're hoping this is a recipe for failure, prepare to be disappointed.