Secondly, you're getting 980Ti level performance for far cheaper.
that is some over the top reaction. :thumbsdown:My 980Ti's don't clock to 1500Mhz and you certainly are not keeping 1512Mhz after hours of gaming, so you're just spreading BS and FUD. Seems to be you have some kind of sour grapes if you can't accept a 1070 is faster than a 980Ti, consumes less power, and much cheaper. Plus you get 2GB more of memory. Only morons would choose a used 980Ti over a new 1070.
I'm actually going to have to agree with Testking
There is definitely a lot of sour grapes ti owners in here.
Less power, as fast or faster, more memory, cheaper, new tech, not used. 1070 > 980 ti
Switching from a 980ti that overclocks well to a 1070 is going to give you a performance downgrade. Long term you will get more performance out of that 1070 though. Once driver neglect hits Maxwell the 1070 is going to be faster than a 980ti, noticeably faster in certain cases I'd expect as well. Just look at how the 970 compared to the 780ti after six months of Kepler driver neglect and new games releasing.
All that said I wouldn't switch from a 980ti to a 1070, but if I were buying in that price bracket today I would take the 1070 over a used 980ti. If you have a 980ti, the only option that will do anything for you right now is the 1080. Even then if you are running one of the 1.4-1.5ghz 980tis you should only expect about 20% more performance when you overclock the 1080 and you have to overclock the 1080 for it to be worth the switch imo.
My 980Ti's don't clock to 1500Mhz and you certainly are not keeping 1512Mhz after hours of gaming, so you're just spreading BS and FUD. Seems to be you have some kind of sour grapes if you can't accept a 1070 is faster than a 980Ti, consumes less power, and much cheaper. Plus you get 2GB more of memory. Only morons would choose a used 980Ti over a new 1070.
I'm actually going to have to agree with Testking
There is definitely a lot of sour grapes ti owners in here.
Less power, as fast or faster, more memory, cheaper, new tech, not used. 1070 > 980 ti
*sigh* It's not "sour grapes", I'm trying to keep 980Ti owners from doing something silly like sell off their cards to buy GP104. The upgrade path for them is the 1080Ti, aka GP102.
However, for those shopping for a GPU, if they can buy a 980Ti for cheap, one with a good cooler design, it's a smart buy and will net them more performance than a 1070 when OC'd, 10-20% more.
Maybe I missed it but I don't see any 980Ti owners about to jump ship to a 1070. I think they (and that includes me) know that the 1070 isn't targeted for existing 980Ti owners. There's no reason to convince people to stop doing when they never intended to do.
For anyone coming form a 970 or older and is looking for an upgrade however, the 1070 makes a lot more sense then a 980Ti
Right, as if ebay isn't flooded with 980TIs that people are dumping for GP104 cards, essentially throwing $$ away.
Depends on the price of the 980TI and its cooler.
I do keep 1512, usually higher, all day, that's what my waterblocks are for. However, even on air I could run that card @1505 without thermal throttling. A 980TI over 1400MHz makes mincemeat of the 1070, why that upsets you is anyone's guess.
Not immpressed by the 1070. Expected a bit more.
I have a 980Ti and it does not OC that high, so that's anything but gauranteed. Not to mention the price difference, then there's the DX12 and VR performance which a 1.5GHz 980Ti can't touch, and that's before we get into power consumption and 3rd party cards with better power delivery for potentially higher OC. Yes, that was a run-on sentence, but it was intentional to illustrate a point.
Once you look at the entire picture, it really does sound like anyone ragging on the 1070 and using OC'd 980Ti's to justify their position is just hating for the sake of hating. As it stands now anyone looking for a high end video card has two options. 1070 and 1080. Nothing else makes sense from a performance and/or cost perspective. Not a 980Ti, not a Titan X and nothing AMD currently has to offer either.
Obviously there are exceptions to this like folks who have already invested in a nice freesync monitor.
Right, then show benchmarks of an OCed 980Ti making "mincemeat" of a GTX 1070 OC. Otherwise, it's a claim with ZERO evidence to back it up.
Besides, unless it's your money they're "throwing away" it shouldn't matter to you what they're doing.
Unless the price is <$350 I don't agree. The only thing 980Ti has going for it is that it's mature and has 3rd party cards with better power delivery and OC then reference. Literally, the only argument you have is highly OC'd, aftermarket 980Ti's vs reference 1070's and even then, the only thing it wins is DX11 and older games. Still slower in VR, still slower in DX12, still 2GB less VRAM, still using a lot more power... And how long will that single advantage you're clinging onto last? What happens when we evga, asus, msi, etc etc get their 1070's out to market? Is there something particularly special about the 980Ti that allows them to cool it better then they can cool a 1070?
Sorry but sounds like the other guy was right, sour grapes is exactly what this looks like. It's technology, it moves forward. You were on top for a while, you had a good run. All good things friend, all good things...
I could say the same to you. :\
Because it's a flagship card with much more $$ put into the cooler design? Because there's superior components used in its construction, including better chokes and power delivery? A 980TI is simply going to be a superior product compared to a 1070; much more OC friendly, faster even with just a mild OC, and more durable. A used 980TI was a $650-700 card, a 1070 never will be, they're built to a much lower price and quality standard. But hey, keep believing what you want, despite the evidence and performance numbers that show otherwise.
So it's unreasonable for me to be concerned about people wasting $$ but you're oh so concerned about my "sour grapes"? Seriously? Is that what you're trying to convince me of? hahaha
The only thing 980Ti has going for it is that it's mature and has 3rd party cards with better power delivery and OC then reference. Literally, the only argument you have is highly OC'd, aftermarket 980Ti's vs reference 1070's and even then, the only thing it wins is DX11 and older games. Still slower in VR, still slower in DX12, still 2GB less VRAM, still using a lot more power... And how long will that single advantage you're clinging onto last? What happens when we evga, asus, msi, etc etc get their 1070's out to market? Is there something particularly special about the 980Ti that allows them to cool it better then they can cool a 1070?
It makes no sense for a 980 Ti owner to sidegrade to the 1070, likewise it makes no sense for anyone to buy a used $400-450 980 Ti over the 1070.
780Ti was a flagship card too, no one is going to pay $350 for it because it's performance is shit and there are better options. 980Ti's performance is still great, but there are better options. I'm going to quote what I said since you "forgot" to repudiate it.
You also completely missed my point in the last sentence... What makes you think aftermarket makers can't put the same/similar cooler design on a 1070? Do you really think reference is going to be the only option?
If convincing people to buy a 980Ti over a 1070 is your goal, I hope you can do better then this. You don't have much of an argument here.
likewise it makes no sense for anyone to buy a used $400-450 980 Ti over the 1070.
It makes a great deal of sense, if the buyer is willing to OC the card. Even without it, they're of similar performance and the 980TI is the better-built card.