Extremely inaccurate and ignorant comment.
If what you say was true (and it isn't) the 1080 would actually be even faster than it is.
NV is selling an oced 980Ti for 650$ calling it 1080.
Pointless to argue with ppl here, as most of them are NV shills.
It's not just the cooler, it's also the much higher grade power delivery components, heavier PCB, AND the heavier, higher quality cooler. Like I said, the 980TI was, until very recently, a flagship card. That's something a 1070 will never be.
Literally, the only argument you have is highly OC'd, aftermarket 980Ti's vs reference 1070's and even then, the only thing it wins is DX11 and older games. Still slower in VR, still slower in DX12, still 2GB less VRAM, still using a lot more power... And how long will that single advantage you're clinging onto last? What happens when we evga, asus, msi, etc etc get their 1070's out to market? Is there something particularly special about the 980Ti that allows them to cool it better then they can cool a 1070?
Ah man. I hate getting involved in these arguments, but the level of fact twisting is so high, something has to be said. Firstly that guru3d link used a reference 980ti. Not the aftermarket monsters that are readily available. Secondly it's been shown with the 1080 that aftermarket parts don't overclock much better than reference cards anyway. I don't see a reason for that to change with the 1070. I could be wrong though. Thirdly with both facts being in play and the fact you can get an aftermarket 980ti card that's faster and less audible than the 1070 fe RIGHT NOW versus whenever the aftermarket 1070s show up, it would seem the 980ti is a better choice. Because you'd have a faster card for the same price several weeks earlier.You're confused. What you said makes no sense. 1070 doesn't have to be a "flagship" card when it already does almost everything better than your 980Ti. 3rd party cards will have better power delivery then the reference card, not to mention the 980Ti NEEDS better power delivery because it uses more power.
Since you have zero argument and all you can do is talk around the issue, i'll just keep posing this same scenario to you until you address it. The fact you're getting angry doesn't bother me. It only goes to show that you're unable to come up with a valid argument and anger sets in. I mean you can "say" your 980TI is better, but, well... See below.
Ah man. I hate getting involved in these arguments, but the level of fact twisting is so high, something has to be said. Firstly that guru3d link used a reference 980ti. Not the aftermarket monsters that are readily available. Secondly it's been shown with the 1080 that aftermarket parts don't overclock much better than reference cards anyway. I don't see a reason for that to change with the 1070. I could be wrong though. Thirdly with both facts being in play and the fact you can get an aftermarket 980ti card that's faster and less audible than the 1070 fe RIGHT NOW versus whenever the aftermarket 1070s show up, it would seem the 980ti is a better choice. Because you'd have a faster card for the same price several weeks earlier.
Once again I'll say it was a reference 980ti card which is known to throttle at high overclocks we all know Nvidias boost does this.I don't care what people buy tbh, objectively looking at all the data though I came to the conclusion 1070 is a better buy. If I was buying a card today, that's what I'd get. Of course if you need a card right this minute just get the 980 Ti, because the Founder's Edition is pure garbage and I wouldn't recommend that to anyone.
There are some instances where a highly OC'd 980 Ti (1500 MHz, and not all Tis hit that, 1450MHz which was used in the review I linked is more common) pulls ahead by 5-10% or so, but here's what you trade for that:
2 GB less VRAM
Higher power consumption
No DP 1.3 connectivity - newer HDR monitors will be using this
Potentially missing out on future game driver optimizations, mainly a "what if" at this point but it has happened numerous times in the past
Lower performance in DX12 titles, all reviews have the 1070 ahead on these
1080s with extra power pins have been reviewed and the results were nil like I said earlier.What a ridiculous discussion going on. 8+6 pin 1070's have been announced today and should be available max 2 weeks from now. The 980Ti is going to have nothing over those so just let it rest.
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I don't care what people buy tbh, objectively looking at all the data though I came to the conclusion 1070 is a better buy. If I was buying a card today, that's what I'd get. Of course if you need a card right this minute just get the 980 Ti, because the Founder's Edition is pure garbage and I wouldn't recommend that to anyone.
There are some instances where a highly OC'd 980 Ti (1500 MHz, and not all Tis hit that, 1450MHz which was used in the review I linked is more common) pulls ahead by 5-10% or so, but here's what you trade for that:
2 GB less VRAM
Higher power consumption
No DP 1.3 connectivity - newer HDR monitors will be using this
Potentially missing out on future game driver optimizations, mainly a "what if" at this point but it has happened numerous times in the past
Lower performance in DX12 titles, all reviews have the 1070 ahead on these
I find it pretty interesting that in 1 month, we will have VERY clear buying giudes.
Budget $200? GX480
Budget $400? 1070
Budget $600+? 1080
We are going to have a LOT less recommendation threads here for a while.
I find it pretty interesting that in 1 month, we will have VERY clear buying giudes.
Budget $200? GX480
Budget $400? 1070
Budget $600+? 1080
We are going to have a LOT less recommendation threads here for a while.
You don't think Nvidia is coming out with GP106 soon? Die shots were in the web two months ago. I think both GP106 and GP107 will be out before the end of August and I think we'll either have credible leaks or a paper launch of GP106 within a week of RX 480's launch.
The most interesting outstanding question (imho) would then be:
Budget $300? RX 480X?
You don't think Nvidia is coming out with GP106 soon? Die shots were in the web two months ago. I think both GP106 and GP107 will be out before the end of August and I think we'll either have credible leaks or a paper launch of GP106 within a week of RX 480's launch.
GP106 will probably be a sub $200 card imho. This may not have been what Nvidia was planning, but with AMD pricing the 480 at $200 I don't think they have any choice.
As such I expect the sub $200 recommendations to look something like this:
Budget $150? GP106
Budget $100? Polaris 11
Although once you get down below $200, the price points tend to get very squished together, and since there will probably be multiple GP106 and Polaris 11 SKUs, there will likely be some amount of overlap.
Probably not far off. I am not confident GP106 will be <$150 though...more like $199/229 or so. Maybe the GP107 (950Ti) replacement without a 6-pin requirement might slot between $100 and $150 if that SKU is announced. Just pure speculation there however...
GP106 may not be exactly $150 (that was really just a shot in the dark), but I can't see it being $200 or even close to it with 480 also priced at $200*
*this is based on GP106 likely being a fair bit slower than a 480.
I am not disagreeing with you here, but NV hasn't traditionally priced the 960 to always match-up with the equivalent AMD offering. They more or less just stick to the ~$200 price and you get what you get in terms of performance. I could see it a little lower (maybe) but $150 would definitely surprise me.
1080s with extra power pins have been reviewed and the results were nil like I said earlier.
Admittedly $150 would be quite low, and probably too low. It may also be something like $180 or so. My point was mainly that it would be priced lower than $200 (how much lower I don't really know).
Although you are right that Nvidia usually sticks with their $200 price point, I believe the 480 at $200 has changed the name of the game a bit here. Under more normal circumstances, I think AMD would have priced the 480 at $250 and a fully unlocked 480X at $350, just like they did with the 7850 and 7870. If this was the case then the 1060 could easily have slipped in at $200. But for whatever reason they chose not to do so this time around, and I believe (naively perhaps) that Nvidia will have to react in some way to this.
Definitely agree.
Just waiting to see NV's slides stating '$189 1060 for the same performance as the GTX 980. Less than 1/2 the price!'
Sometimes I think the 980 was created purely as a reference point for future products. LOL
1080's destroy a 980Ti with or without extra power.
Did you purposefully miss the point of what I said? If not, I said that because the guy I was conversing with believed the extra pins on the 1070 would give it extra ocing headroom. I was saying according to the 1080, that is not true.
Two different cards, but lets go ahead and assume the same thing applies. It boils down to this... If all you're interested in is marginally better performance in what will soon be legacy games, and don't mind paying more for an EOL card that produces more heat, consumes more power and will be slower in multiple other areas like DX12, VR, potentially other API's like Vulkan, and anything that could benefit from an extra 2GB VRAM, and don't mind the very real possibility that driver support will be a 2nd priority compared to the current gen cards, then the 980Ti is the card for you.
I'll give you the power consumption and the 2gb extra memory however inconsequential for the foreseeable future. As the furyX is doing just fine with 4gb.
If performance degradation and dx12 are a concern, then waiting for Vega is obviously the way to go as gcn is still better with dx12 performance features than Pascal. My point is driven further by your own suggestion to wait for aftermarket 1070 cards when the 1070 Fe can't be bought yet. Going further with your previous point about performance degradation. Dp 1.3 shouldn't matter,because by the time her monitors are out in force the next gen will be lurking around the corner in which the 1070 will be on the driver chopping block