First HD2900XT benchmarks are out

[Munky]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: coolpurplefan
R600 also has onboard physics.

G80 does physics too... a half year before R600 was even completed and released... :laugh:

Yeah yeah... and before that Ati was doing physics with the r580, and I'm sure I remember Nv mentioning physics on the 7-series. In fact, my SB Audigy can do physics too... there's just no SW to use that functionality. :shocked:

Speaking of which, anyone heard about AgeiaFX lately? Seems it was a complete flop heh?

I'd be surprised if anything big ever becomes of Ageia, especially now that it has to contend with quad-core cpu's, not just dual core. But again, without the software, it's all a moot point for now.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Matt2
The results look OK.

There is absolutely no reason to get your panties wet over leaked benchmarks that were only run at 1280x1024.

I was personally expecting it to shatter G80, but I guess this will have to do.

Actually, you said "more than likely AMD is about to be embarrassed." a few days ago. Flip-flop.

You're right about one thing, as I and others have said, there is no point in getting excited or down about these numbers. This review, is pretty bad. But its something.

Ha. My personal beliefs about AMD getting embarrassed has nothing to do with the fact that I always thought R600 should be the better performer. I mean, look at the paper specs. There is absolutely no reason why the R600 shouldnt poop on G80's face.

The reason I think AMD is going to be embarrassed is the fact that they made us wait seven months for what? 10-20% performance increase? HDMI?

LOL, you're pretty unbelievable. First you acknowledge the incomplete review by stating the resolution handicap, THEN you talk as if thats all you need to see and come to a conclusion...

We know next to nothing about the IQ features the final product is going to support and thus we can't come to conclusions about IQ or performance scenarios involving elaborate IQ. For all we know they only used 4x AA in the few tests they performed because that was the only option they had to keep the variables the same - the cards could still be very much CPU limited in CoH and FEAR. HL2 needs to be thrown out but the other results are a bit more significant than 10-20, closer to 20-30%, and for all we know that advantage might only balloon with an increase in resolution/AA

We really don't have enough information to come to any sort of substantial conclusion other than R600 is real and it has potential.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: nZone
Can't compare newer technology (R600 as of now on paper) to older technology (8800 since October 2006).

I disagree. What would you have them compare then??? Older tech or not, gadgets have to be compared to similar gadgets that perform the same task. GPUs should be compared to other GPUs, whether from last generation or not, regardless whether one is cheaper or more expensive.

I say the more comparisons the better. I want to see several resolutions used in a wide array of games, using cards from this and last generations from both nV and AMD (in single, SLI, and CFire modes), and matched with several different CPUs. Then, and only then, can the end users can make an informed decision about what card(s) will work best for their system, at the settings they play at, and the games they play.

But, since no single website will likely do all of that, I'm hoping to be able to extract enough info from several sites like I always have in the past in order to help me make my decision.

 

[Nightmare225]

Someone needs to get a comparison of a GTX and XT soon. Cause I need to know whether or not to sell my card. How much would a used GTX go for on ebay? I might even make a profit if the rumored prices are true.

 

[Rottie]

will they make HD 2900XT AGP?

 

[Nightmare225]

I think an AGP version would seriously cripple this card's potential.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Someone needs to get a comparison of a GTX and XT soon. Cause I need to know whether or not to sell my card. How much would a used GTX go for on ebay? I might even make a profit if the rumored prices are true.

Thinking about doing the same, although it might not be worth the hassle. 1337 amount of posts by the way

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: allies

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Someone needs to get a comparison of a GTX and XT soon. Cause I need to know whether or not to sell my card. How much would a used GTX go for on ebay? I might even make a profit if the rumored prices are true.

Thinking about doing the same, although it might not be worth the hassle. 1337 amount of posts by the way

Haha. I didn't notice.

But its gone now. :brokenheart:

Oh, well, it was fun while it lasted.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Man the XT pummels the GTS pretty bad in some of those tests. If it sells for the same price as GTS, nVidia is going to have to do some drastic price cuts to stay competitive.

huh?

CoD the x2900xt is about 30% faster.

CoH they are within 2fps

the XT loses in HL2 (retest was 7fps faster on GTS)

Oblivion was about 20% faster for XT.

for a card that the "street price" is expected to be $450 i would expect more - I paid $320 for my GTS, over $100 less!

sounds like a nice card, but the price certainly needs to be more comptetitive.

i'm also disappointed they didn't mention the state of vista drivers. hope they come out of the gate better than nvidia did. guess we'll find out soon enough...

also curious as to what the GTS specs were.. reference clocks or an overclocked version? that, along with the low res and limited games leaves a lot of questions unanswered...

so has an "XTX" version been announced? or is it just assumption there will be one as there was with the 1800 series?

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Man the XT pummels the GTS pretty bad in some of those tests. If it sells for the same price as GTS, nVidia is going to have to do some drastic price cuts to stay competitive.

huh?

CoD the x2900xt is about 30% faster.

CoH they are within 2fps

the XT loses in HL2 (retest was 7fps faster on GTS)

Oblivion was about 20% faster for XT.

for a card that the "street price" is expected to be $450 i would expect more - I paid $320 for my GTS, over $100 less!

sounds like a nice card, but the price certainly needs to be more comptetitive.

i'm also disappointed they didn't mention the state of vista drivers. hope they come out of the gate better than nvidia did. guess we'll find out soon enough...

MSRP is 400$ so no idea how you came up with 450$

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Zstream
MSRP is 400$ so no idea how you came up with 450$

because i read the article? perhaps you should give that a try...

"The ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT is poised to have a street price approximately the same as the GeForce 8800 GTS, which currently has a suggested retailer price of $449."

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Matt2
The results look OK.

There is absolutely no reason to get your panties wet over leaked benchmarks that were only run at 1280x1024.

I was personally expecting it to shatter G80, but I guess this will have to do.

Actually, you said "more than likely AMD is about to be embarrassed." a few days ago. Flip-flop.

You're right about one thing, as I and others have said, there is no point in getting excited or down about these numbers. This review, is pretty bad. But its something.

Ha. My personal beliefs about AMD getting embarrassed has nothing to do with the fact that I always thought R600 should be the better performer. I mean, look at the paper specs. There is absolutely no reason why the R600 shouldnt poop on G80's face.

The reason I think AMD is going to be embarrassed is the fact that they made us wait seven months for what? 10-20% performance increase? HDMI?

Thats not the story you had in the past. You've claimed it wouldnt be faster, now you claim you always thought it would be. Just stick to one already.

Dont twist my words Ackmed.

I never said I always thought it would be faster. I said I always thought it should be faster.

When I said it wouldnt be faster, I was going off all the Inq and Fudzilla links making speculations. Now that we have some more reliable (however incomplete) benches, I've changed my position a little.

What's the harm in that? I have my opinions and as new information arises, those opinions may change. I dont see how that is different from anyone else in the world.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Zstream
MSRP is 400$ so no idea how you came up with 450$

because i read the article? perhaps you should give that a try...

"The ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT is poised to have a street price approximately the same as the GeForce 8800 GTS, which currently has a suggested retailer price of $449."

Remember they are comparing it to the 640MB version not the 320 MB version I assume you were referring to when you said you got your GTS for $320

 

[hans030390]

This is pretty typical...the latest cards outperform the older ones (specifically the ATI cards vs the Nvidia cards).

I'd like to see some benchmarks comparing it to the 8800gtx, and there's always a chance that a (possible) 8900 could do ever better..

For the price though, that looks like an excellent buy.

 

[josh6079]

I wanna see the XTX.

 

[Munky]

"The ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT is poised to have a street price approximately the same as the GeForce 8800 GTS, which currently has a suggested retailer price of $449."

That sentence makes no sence at all. First the xt is supposed to match the gts in street price, and then they go on to mention the msrp of the gts, which is at least $50 more than the street price.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: munky

"The ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT is poised to have a street price approximately the same as the GeForce 8800 GTS, which currently has a suggested retailer price of $449."

That sentence makes no sence at all. First the xt is supposed to match the gts in street price, and then they go on to mention the msrp of the gts, which is at least $50 more than the street price.

It makes perfect sense. The HD 2900XT will likely have a street price similar to that of the 8800GTS, which has an MSRP of $449.

 

[swtethan]

overclocking the r600

http://dailytech.com/Overclocking+the+R600/article7044.htm

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Zstream
MSRP is 400$ so no idea how you came up with 450$

because i read the article? perhaps you should give that a try...

"The ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT is poised to have a street price approximately the same as the GeForce 8800 GTS, which currently has a suggested retailer price of $449."

Remember they are comparing it to the 640MB version not the 320 MB version I assume you were referring to when you said you got your GTS for $320

nope, mine is a 640mb version. got it for $349 from buy.com (weekend sale) less a $30 MIR from evga.

back to the article tho... while it's a little interesting, frankly it means absolutely nothing. 12x10 doesn't really tell us anything, not to mention we don't know what state the ati drivers are in.

also they seem to be comparing to a 500mhz/1.6ghz ref GTS, which clouds the story even more...

edit:

Originally posted by: swtethan
overclocking the r600

http://dailytech.com/Overclocking+the+R600/article7044.htm

ahh.. looks like the XT may overclock as well as the GTS...

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: munky

"The ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT is poised to have a street price approximately the same as the GeForce 8800 GTS, which currently has a suggested retailer price of $449."

That sentence makes no sence at all. First the xt is supposed to match the gts in street price, and then they go on to mention the msrp of the gts, which is at least $50 more than the street price.

It makes perfect sense. The HD 2900XT will likely have a street price similar to that of the 8800GTS, which has an MSRP of $449.

AND, the gts already has a street price of well under $400; the sentence should probably mention that too if you're going by street price.

 

[McCartney]

you dummies
the xtx is a 10 % overclock of the XT!!
If you want to compare your beloved XTX To a GTX, better make an EVGA OC one so you can really see what the NVIDIA is all about

Losers want to cheat using a factory overclocked card compared to a gtx... get a grip, the xt is the premier one if you didn't know, xtx is just a factory overc;ock

 

[mooncancook]

Originally posted by: McCartney
you dummies
the xtx is a 10 % overclock of the XT!!
If you want to compare your beloved XTX To a GTX, better make an EVGA OC one so you can really see what the NVIDIA is all about

Losers want to cheat using a factory overclocked card compared to a gtx... get a grip, the xt is the premier one if you didn't know, xtx is just a factory overc;ock

what's the difference between XT and XTX besides clock speed? does XTX use GDDR4? Does it have mroe RAM?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Man the XT pummels the GTS pretty bad in some of those tests. If it sells for the same price as GTS, nVidia is going to have to do some drastic price cuts to stay competitive.

huh?

CoD the x2900xt is about 30% faster.

CoH they are within 2fps

the XT loses in HL2 (retest was 7fps faster on GTS)

Oblivion was about 20% faster for XT.

for a card that the "street price" is expected to be $450 i would expect more - I paid $320 for my GTS, over $100 less!

The MSRP matches the GTS, I don't expect the prices to stay high for the XT a few weeks after release. The fact that it's 30% faster in COD and 20% faster in Oblivion is pretty telling of it's potential since I'm sure it's running on early drivers. If they deliver solid Vista drivers that at least exceed nVidia's (which from the sounds of it won't be that hard) and come near the GTS price, they should give nVidia some pretty tough competition.

so has an "XTX" version been announced? or is it just assumption there will be one as there was with the 1800 series?

I don't think a formal announcement of XTX has been made though I keep reading about rumors of it being pushed back by 6-8 weeks. From the looks of things, the XT will trade blows with the 8800 GTX so the XTX will probably go up against the 8800U/8900.


Edit: never mind, here's what the DT guy just wrote:

I'm currently benchmarking the Radeon HD 2900 XTX, though I'll revist the XT if anyone has any particular requests.

So yeah it definitely exists, but availability is another question. Seems like both cards will be great for those that have held out but I'm glad I have my (whiney) GTX.

 

[swtethan]

here comes trouble..... flame on!

 

[Genx87]

Isnt the Quadro 5500 FX a G71 chip?