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TheWart

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It *can* but not nearly as easily as on a real keyboard. I was mostly responding to you stating that the keyboard doesn't really matter because people won't be doing much typing on it. Conversely, I think a lot of typing will be done on it. And while I haven't used the iPad keyboard so I can't directly comment on it, from the looks of it, I think I'd prefer the soft keyboard on a cell phone than the iPad's.

Isn't it the same but just bigger?

Oh well, I guess these questions will be more or less settled in a few days anyway heh
 

Deeko

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Isn't it the same but just bigger?

Oh well, I guess these questions will be more or less settled in a few days anyway heh

Yes. Bigger to the point that its a different style of typing. My HD2 is already bordering on too bad for standard "phone style" typing, so it isn't really one and the same.
 

foghorn67

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My company already bought a shitload of iPads... Theyve been working with Apple to implement them in the workplace, with the right case, they'll do fine.

The doctors are demanding them, the interface works through a browser, so there's no coding involved...

I guess the thing is, when quantum change comes around, you get drug into the mess whether you want to or not...

A WiFi iPad for $500 versus a >$3K computer on wheels, you tell me what my company will do... At least, thats what the IT guys are saying...

There has been other solutions for anything in between the ipad on the mules. Your administration got caught with Apple fever.
 

TheWart

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Yes. Bigger to the point that its a different style of typing. My HD2 is already bordering on too bad for standard "phone style" typing, so it isn't really one and the same.

Ah I see. You are talking about the form factor.

I don't think it will be a huge deal...I hope not cause if it sucks then that means every tablet will be unusable. I think it will end up being easy enough to use but we will see.
 

zerocool84

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Ah I see. You are talking about the form factor.

I don't think it will be a huge deal...I hope not cause if it sucks then that means every tablet will be unusable. I think it will end up being easy enough to use but we will see.

Of course you can type of it but typing long emails or writing paper on it or reports or what have you would suck on something like this. It's just like a phone, not meant to type long messages but since it's larger, it's more awkward cus you can't wrap your hands around it.
 

Pliablemoose

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Wow, I'm shocked that anyone's IT actually adopted a hardware/software (non-proprietary) solution like this that has never even hit the shelves. Hell we're still using Windows XP SP2 at work.

I hope this doesn't backfire on you guys.

Apple has shopped the iPad around to several of the major hospitals, the IT R&D dept are the folk who ordered the iPads, no word on deployment yet (obviously), but from what I hear, theyre very excited about it.

The thing is we have a finite number of PCs and a finite number of places to use them, by killing the COWs (computers on wheels) we would save valuable floor space, and make everyone (or just the doctors) mobile and very independent for instance when they're rounding & shit...

I really dont see the downside to using them...
 

TheStu

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Apple has shopped the iPad around to several of the major hospitals, the IT R&D dept are the folk who ordered the iPads, no word on deployment yet (obviously), but from what I hear, theyre very excited about it.

The thing is we have a finite number of PCs and a finite number of places to use them, by killing the COWs (computers on wheels) we would save valuable floor space, and make everyone (or just the doctors) mobile and very independent for instance when they're rounding & shit...

I really dont see the downside to using them...

And if you can increase coordination of systems, then the doctor comes into work and gets his iPad off the charger, it has a listing of his rounds and patients, whether Mr thompson has received his latest dose of meds, punch orders into it and it gets sent to the nurses station.

I realize that the last bit is done on the existing folder or clipboard, but if you remove handwriting from the equation, and allow for instant transmission of information. A doctor on the 3rd floor can ask his colleague on the first floor for a consult, and neither would have to leave their rooms. The pertinent data for the patient, including XRays, scan images, readings from the EKG... The battery life is high enough, the weight low enough that I think that it could work like that, they wouldn't need the 64GB or the 3G, base line 16GB would do, and $500/piece is a reasonable price if it could achieve that kind of interoperability.

I have been watching a lot of Star Trek TNG lately, and I just imagine something like the iPod Touch and the iPad in place of their PADDs, and I can totally buy it.
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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Well, at least it has a soft keyboard. But if you are on vacation and want to be able to move pics from your camera SD card, gotta bring laptop anyways. So iPad is kind of redundant at this point.

Apparantly you won't even browse the Apple website before making claims about their new device.

Want to get your pictures from your camera onto your iPad? That'll cost you $29.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC531?mco=MTczNzY0NDg
 

Pliablemoose

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Apparantly you won't even browse the Apple website before making claims about their new device.

Want to get your pictures from your camera onto your iPad? That'll cost you $29.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC531?mco=MTczNzY0NDg

And someone who isn't smart enough to network their stuff deserves to pay for those things...

Its a 3rd device, you still need a PC to do things like say upload your pics to Flicker, Picasa, etc...

I just dont see the big deal.
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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And someone who isn't smart enough to network their stuff deserves to pay for those things...

Its a 3rd device, you still need a PC to do things like say upload your pics to Flicker, Picasa, etc...

I just dont see the big deal.

There are free apps for Flickr and Photobucket to upload and manage your photos and albums. There's a third party Picasa app, but it costs $2.99.

I'm pretty excited for my iPad, but I'm on the fence whether I want to pay $29 to be able to get pictures off my camera. It would be very nice to be able to see photos on the iPad's screen instead of looking at the 3" lcd on my camera and hoping they turned out okay.
 
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zerocool84

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And someone who isn't smart enough to network their stuff deserves to pay for those things...

Its a 3rd device, you still need a PC to do things like say upload your pics to Flicker, Picasa, etc...

I just dont see the big deal.

Cus Apple makes it infinitely hard to move any files over to your iPad but of course to them no one likes to drag and drop. They know everyone loves to have to sync all your files through iTunes cus USB mass storage is so pass&#233;.

For a company that everyone touts makes things that just work and work so easy, they sure do love to make you pay extra for basic things and make you jump through a lot of hoops just to do basic things.
 
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TheWart

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Cus Apple makes it infinitely hard to move any files over to your iPad but of course to them no one likes to drag and drop. They know everyone loves to have to sync all your files through iTunes cus USB mass storage is so passé.

For a company that everyone touts makes things that just work and work so easy, they sure do love to make you pay extra for basic things and make you jump through a lot of hoops just to do basic things.

Umm, you just drag the files onto the app in itunes and it handles the rest. That sounds like drag and drop to me.
 

zerocool84

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Umm, you just drag the files onto the app in itunes and it handles the rest. That sounds like drag and drop to me.

Let me quote what I already wrote earlier in this thread and it's not simple drag and drop that every modern computer can do. iPad is a step backwards:

No drag and drop file management. You’ll be downloading content from the web and through the iTunes content store directly from the device, of course, but what about that set of files you just brought home from work or that collection of videos you want to pull out from an old backup drive? In order to get them over to the iPad, you'd have to first dump them into iTunes, then perform a sync operation instead of being able to simply drag and drop them over Wi-Fi or simply hook them in via USB Mass Storage (a great standard that’s been around forever!). There are third-party iPhone apps that allow file transfer via Wi-Fi, but how many steps are we needlessly adding to a process that was uncomplicated by USB Mass Storage years ago?
 

TheStu

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Let me quote what I already wrote earlier in this thread and it's not simple drag and drop that every modern computer can do. iPad is a step backwards:

No drag and drop file management. You&#8217;ll be downloading content from the web and through the iTunes content store directly from the device, of course, but what about that set of files you just brought home from work or that collection of videos you want to pull out from an old backup drive? In order to get them over to the iPad, you'd have to first dump them into iTunes, then perform a sync operation instead of being able to simply drag and drop them over Wi-Fi or simply hook them in via USB Mass Storage (a great standard that&#8217;s been around forever!). There are third-party iPhone apps that allow file transfer via Wi-Fi, but how many steps are we needlessly adding to a process that was uncomplicated by USB Mass Storage years ago?

I see your point, and USB Mass Storage is a good thing, but using your work file example.

So, it is a file that an application on the iPad can read and write and edit yes? I believe that the APIs allow for an attachment like that to open an application. So, you email the spreadsheet to yourself, you pull out your iPad click the attachment and Numbers opens. Much like Cory Doctorow, the iPad is not for you, and much like with the original iPhone, and Windows Phone 7, they are trying to anticipate use cases and create methods to handle them. There was no copy&paste on the first iPhone, but if there was a phone number in an email or on a website, you could click it and the phone app would open.

Do you use iTunes or another library based music player on your computer ZeroCool? If yes, then do you go through and meticulously change all the files and folders? If yes then I think you are in the minority, if no, then how is that any different? Imagine that entire section of the file system is cut off from you you cannot read/write/see that stuff. So what? Imagine the same if you have Picasa but no access to My Pictures, no access to C:\Windows. You are on your browser, you save a picture, it gets automatically added to Picasa (or whatever you use) and when you want to see it, you would be opening that program anyway.

Please illustrate for me a likely drag and drop scenario where using an intermediary program would not be an option.
 
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I see your point, and USB Mass Storage is a good thing, but using your work file example.

So, it is a file that an application on the iPad can read and write and edit yes? I believe that the APIs allow for an attachment like that to open an application. So, you email the spreadsheet to yourself, you pull out your iPad click the attachment and Numbers opens. Much like Cory Doctorow, the iPad is not for you, and much like with the original iPhone, and Windows Phone 7, they are trying to anticipate use cases and create methods to handle them. There was no copy&paste on the first iPhone, but if there was a phone number in an email or on a website, you could click it and the phone app would open.

Do you use iTunes or another library based music player on your computer ZeroCool? If yes, then do you go through and meticulously change all the files and folders? If yes then I think you are in the minority, if no, then how is that any different? Imagine that entire section of the file system is cut off from you you cannot read/write/see that stuff. So what? Imagine the same if you have Picasa but no access to My Pictures, no access to C:\Windows. You are on your browser, you save a picture, it gets automatically added to Picasa (or whatever you use) and when you want to see it, you would be opening that program anyway.

Please illustrate for me a likely drag and drop scenario where using an intermediary program would not be an option.

I think it's an issue of knowing where your data is. The vast majority of people don't have a clue, and don't care. It doesn't matter, and if it works, it works. Part of how Apple has done so well.

On the flip side of that, it makes it very hard to know where something is. From a techie perspective, it's frustrating, at least, to me. I want to know where my backups are, and how to get to it. If I want my music on a few different places, I want my own central set up I can pull from (ideally, cloud based to be honest, but I don't want to pay for it either, heh).
 

TheWart

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Wow this is sook cool. I am at the apple store posting from one now and yes, I typed this with one hand while holding it and it isn't hard at all. Man I wish I ha some extra money for this. The browsing is amazing.
 

Fingolfin269

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Wow this is sook cool. I am at the apple store posting from one now and yes, I typed this with one hand while holding it and it isn't hard at all. Man I wish I ha some extra money for this. The browsing is amazing.

Please tell me you have more to say than 'the browsing is amazing.' That's a 500 buck piece of machinery there!
 

Fingolfin269

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Don't worry. Those of us who actually care and will be critical of the device are awaiting our deliveries.

I will actually be shocked if any of the people who get in on the first shipment will be anywhere near critical since the majority probably have Apple products all over the house. Oh, and an Apple sticker on the car.
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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I will actually be shocked if any of the people who get in on the first shipment will be anywhere near critical since the majority probably have Apple products all over the house. Oh, and an Apple sticker on the car.

Well, I'd like to think I'll be critical. I'm a big PC user but I got one for app development (Gotta get in on that app goldrush)
 

TheWart

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Don't worry. Those of us who actually care and will be critical of the device are awaiting our deliveries.

lol

Sorry I didn't provide a thorough review of the device while I was standing there for 20 mins.

There are ample reviews up over the web now - at least enough to get a good idea of the device. In any case, I really would like to get one, but am wary of one now because of my general aversion to getting v1 hardware and the belief that by xmas they will prolly drop the wifi only version altogether and lower the 3g prices to where the wifi only ipads are now.
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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lol

Sorry I didn't provide a thorough review of the device while I was standing there for 20 mins.

There are ample reviews up over the web now - at least enough to get a good idea of the device. In any case, I really would like to get one, but am wary of one now because of my general aversion to getting v1 hardware and the belief that by xmas they will prolly drop the wifi only version altogether and lower the 3g prices to where the wifi only ipads are now.

You just didn't get enough time to get over the shiny factor of the iPad.
 
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