First look at Cherry Trail's IGP: 16 EUs (Gen 8), DX11.1/OpenGL 4.2 support

[Shivansps]

It just unlikely for Cherry Trail to have more EUs than GT1, there is a far higher chance to for his IGP to actually be THE GT1 just at a lower freq.

 

[CHADBOGA]

It just unlikely for Cherry Trail to have more EUs than GT1, there is a far higher chance to for his IGP to actually be THE GT1 just at a lower freq.

That doesn't mean it that there won't be 16 EU's.

Also, rather than mess around in the notebook market, Intel is looking to take unquestioned leadership in the tablet market.

 

[meloz]

A 10-watt Cherry Trail could easily work as desktop/nettop for most business and many home consumers. Unless you are gaming or doing multimedia editing most people do not need anything heavier.

Biggest issue for Intel -as always- will be pricing, particularly in tablets and other such mobile devices. Just because Intel can make the best chip/SoC does not mean ODM will be willing to pay premium; look at the evolving state of Android marketplace where pathetic Mediatek products are beginning to dominate as Intel dominate the desktop segment.

Besides the various ARM solutions are also improving, at least Qualcomm and Samsung need to be taken seriously even if one discounts nvidia and AMD. So Intel will have to accept reduced profit margins otherwise this will be another technically brilliant, well engineered abortion.

 

[LogOver]

You can see the difference between a 850MHz 20EU with Core and 667MHz 4 EU with Bay Trail is only 2x:
-http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-Bay-Trail.103037.0.html
-http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4200.93336.0.html

Only in Ice Storm which is developed especially for mobile devices and not really shader heavy. This benchmark is mostly BW limited. Check out two other graphics benchmarks in your link (cloud gate and 3dmark11) - those have around 4x performance difference which pretty much reflects 5x difference in EU count (assuming non linear performance scaling with number of EUs).

 

[R0H1T]

That doesn't mean it that there won't be 16 EU's.

Also, rather than mess around in the notebook market, Intel is looking to take unquestioned leadership in the tablet market.

That's rich considering they don't even have a 10% market share of the tablet space!

Also even if they do get a marginal foothold with their new "atoms" I doubt they'll ever exceed the 20% mark in terms of volumes cause the bulk of mobile computing market has been taken over by the likes of Mediatek.

 

[CHADBOGA]

That's rich considering they don't even have a 10% market share of the tablet space!

Well how would one expect them to increase that number, if they don't take leadership?

Also even if they do get a marginal foothold with their new "atoms" I doubt they'll ever exceed the 20% mark in terms of volumes cause the bulk of mobile computing market has been taken over by the likes of Mediatek.

Yeah just like personal computing is dominated by the likes of VIA & AMD, performance characteristics won't matter in the long run. :awe:

 

[R0H1T]

Well how would one expect them to increase that number, if they don't take leadership?

Don't count your chickens before they hatch ()

Yeah just like personal computing is dominated by the likes of VIA & AMD, performance characteristics won't matter in the long run. :awe:

Yeah except we aren't buying a 1000$ PC so Intel can't really charge their usual premium, as in x86 tax, also they need a "foothold" & thus pricing has to be a "killer feature" otherwise they'll continue to play second fiddle to the likes of Snapdragon, Exynos Octa for the foreseeable future.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Looking at OEMs and endusers. The market wanted x86 windows tablets. And thats what they get now.

 

[mikk]

You can see the difference between a 850MHz 20EU with Core and 667MHz 4 EU with Bay Trail is only 2x:
-http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-Bay-Trail.103037.0.html
-http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4200.93336.0.html

The GPU is in a range of 3x-4x faster. Don't make the mistake to use games for GPU comparisons. It's nothing new that the GPU can be bottlenecked by a sub 5W CPU heavily on Windows gaming.

That will mean that Cherry Trail will have more EU than GT1, i dont think so.
GT1 are likely 16EU, and if its indeed the half as Intel has been doing, that means GT2 is 32EU.

20/40 is also possible, but there is just no way for GT1 to have less EU than Cherry Trail.

What models do you expect with GT1 on Broadwell next year? Since Pentium and Celeron won't be out the only model with GT1 might be some ULX models. Xeon E3 is a different segment.

 

[Shivansps]

What models do you expect with GT1 on Broadwell next year? Since Pentium and Celeron won't be out the only model with GT1 might be some ULX models. Xeon E3 is a different segment.

Thats what leads me to belive the IGP on Cherry Trail is actually a GT1 sharing with ULX models, and if in fact running on 16EU, GT2 its likely 32EU and GT3 64EU...

But its just my opinion.

 

[cbn]

A 10-watt Cherry Trail could easily work as desktop/nettop for most business and many home consumers. Unless you are gaming or doing multimedia editing most people do not need anything heavier.

Biggest issue for Intel -as always- will be pricing, particularly in tablets and other such mobile devices. Just because Intel can make the best chip/SoC does not mean ODM will be willing to pay premium; look at the evolving state of Android marketplace where pathetic Mediatek products are beginning to dominate as Intel dominate the desktop segment.

Besides the various ARM solutions are also improving, at least Qualcomm and Samsung need to be taken seriously even if one discounts nvidia and AMD. So Intel will have to accept reduced profit margins otherwise this will be another technically brilliant, well engineered abortion.

Well, there is always the upcoming Merrifield to consider (dual core silvermont atom with Imagination Tech Rogue iGPU) for budget Android Wifi Tablet users. It doesn't have the 3G/LTE integrated yet, so I am thinking the die size will be smaller than the 102mm2 Bay Trail.

Another option to consider for budget Android is Z3680 (Bay Trail with two cpu cores disabled).

With that said, I am concerned about cost at 14nm. How much die size really needs to be allocated for iGPU? If Intel gave me 8 EUs at 14nm Moorefield I would probably think it was overkill for my purposes already. (Even if I had 4K LCD monitor connected for basic productivity apps I still have to wonder.)

 

[tential]

A 10-watt Cherry Trail could easily work as desktop/nettop for most business and many home consumers. Unless you are gaming or doing multimedia editing most people do not need anything heavier.

Biggest issue for Intel -as always- will be pricing, particularly in tablets and other such mobile devices. Just because Intel can make the best chip/SoC does not mean ODM will be willing to pay premium; look at the evolving state of Android marketplace where pathetic Mediatek products are beginning to dominate as Intel dominate the desktop segment.

Besides the various ARM solutions are also improving, at least Qualcomm and Samsung need to be taken seriously even if one discounts nvidia and AMD. So Intel will have to accept reduced profit margins otherwise this will be another technically brilliant, well engineered abortion.

I wouldn't say "pathetic" media tek. It's quite good in my MemoPad HD7.

 

[mikk]

http://files.meetup.com/1285270/Android%20on%20x86%20and%20what%20it%20means%20for%20you%20developers.pptx



Targeting significant graphics performance increase over Bay Trail.

 

[tweakboy]

I prefer strawberry

thx gl

 

[NTMBK]

Yeah just like personal computing is dominated by the likes of VIA & AMD, performance characteristics won't matter in the long run. :awe:

And Prescott totally killed Intel's CPU market dominance, sure. :\ Performance isn't everything.

 

[Homeles]

And Prescott totally killed Intel's CPU market dominance, sure. :\ Performance isn't everything.

They did lose considerable market share.

 

[CHADBOGA]

And Prescott totally killed Intel's CPU market dominance, sure. :\ Performance isn't everything.

They did lose considerable market share.

Exactly.

Never was AMD stronger, than when Intel dropped the ball on performance.