First public gay high school to open in NYC

[Hecubus2000]

All this mess about wanting to be equal. What a joke. They could have used that money to help children that really need it.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: Wag
How can it be a privately funded public school?

OH THE IRONY!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
If it's restricted to homosexuals only, it's not a public highschool. It's a private highschool. And if it's not restricted to homosexuals-only, then it's nothing more than a public highschool just like every other public highschool out there.

thats what i dont understand...

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: notfred

The school is an expansion of a two-classroom public school program that began in 1984. A gay-rights youth advocacy group, the Hetrick-Martin Institute, has managed and financed the program since its inception.

Doesn't look like the government is paying for it.

Right. It's not a public highschool. Gay rights? Like a homosexual has any more rights than anyone else? :| :| :| :| :| :| :|

They have a right not to be harassed or beaten by narrow-minded moralizing pinheads like you.

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Yet they would scream if we opened an all straight high school.

I was thinking the same exact thing. Why are homosexuals being given benefits the rest of us arent? How is this any different then if someone opened a white only, or male only, or straight only HS... which undoubtedly would catch major heat for doing so. I'm sure there would be protests, people would be trying to sue... people who didn't fit in with the crowd attending the school would try to get in.

if there is enough students who are going to attend, i dont see a problem with it, and the point about there being gay math is idiotic, if you think that school is just there for academics you are stupid, a very valuable social education is gained in school too. gays, trannys and such probably have a terrible time in school from the social aspect of it, if they can do better in a school where homophobs cant bother them then i dont see the problem.

I understand its not easy for some of them, but isn't that a better social education then what they would get at all all homosexual school? Wouldn't that just be softening them up for a blow when they enter the real world? To me the better social education would be to accept their sexual preference, suck it up and learn to live with it in a diverse society where no one has the same preferences. Show them their choice to have a same sex partner should have no impact on their interactions with straight people, and that it should have absolutely no influence on their ability to get an education?

 

[UNCjigga]

heh, I wonder if going to the bathrooms requires some sort of a hall pass.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: Ameesh
if there is enough students who are going to attend, i dont see a problem with it, and the point about there being gay math is idiotic, if you think that school is just there for academics you are stupid, a very valuable social education is gained in school too. gays, trannys and such probably have a terrible time in school from the social aspect of it, if they can do better in a school where homophobs cant bother them then i dont see the problem.

I see a definite problem in legislating social interaction. What's next Gay libraries, Gay museums, Gay utilities, gay subways. The public good is the good of all the public, not just the gay public. Not only is it a disservice to the gay students it is as well a terrible disservice to the straight ones. It is not up to a city government to step in and seperate fighting children, that should be being done through the intervention of the community.

Again, this is the place of a private institution. NOT!!! a government. It would also be fine for the government to allow grants to children to go to the private institution...

I'm probably getting all worked up over nothing. .... As others have pointed out it's apparently privately funded. I guess I need more information.

i didnt see any where in the article that straights wouldn't be allowed to attend if they want to. What would you say about schools for gifted children or children who dont speak english, or retarded kids? they are all specialized groups that dont do well in normal public schools, they all have special programs or entirely seperate schools available to them.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: Ameesh
if there is enough students who are going to attend, i dont see a problem with it, and the point about there being gay math is idiotic, if you think that school is just there for academics you are stupid, a very valuable social education is gained in school too. gays, trannys and such probably have a terrible time in school from the social aspect of it, if they can do better in a school where homophobs cant bother them then i dont see the problem.

I see a definite problem in legislating social interaction. What's next Gay libraries, Gay museums, Gay utilities, gay subways. The public good is the good of all the public, not just the gay public. Not only is it a disservice to the gay students it is as well a terrible disservice to the straight ones. It is not up to a city government to step in and seperate fighting children, that should be being done through the intervention of the community.

Again, this is the place of a private institution. NOT!!! a government. It would also be fine for the government to allow grants to children to go to the private institution...

I'm probably getting all worked up over nothing. .... As others have pointed out it's apparently privately funded. I guess I need more information.

i didnt see any where in the article that straights wouldn't be allowed to attend if they want to. What would you say about schools for gifted children or children who dont speak english, or retarded kids? they are all specialized groups that dont do well in normal public schools, they all have special programs or entirely seperate schools available to them.

But you are dealing with academics there, not some social issue. Like it or not, there is a difference.

 

[Maleficus]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: notfred

The school is an expansion of a two-classroom public school program that began in 1984. A gay-rights youth advocacy group, the Hetrick-Martin Institute, has managed and financed the program since its inception.

Doesn't look like the government is paying for it.

Right. It's not a public highschool. Gay rights? Like a homosexual has any more rights than anyone else? :| :| :| :| :| :| :|

They have a right not to be harassed or beaten by narrow-minded moralizing pinheads like you.

because NO ONE else gets picked on in school the bullies come by and go "straight or gay" and depending on your answer they make fun of you.

it's a part of freaking growing up getting picked on basically everyone goes through it, why baby the freaking pansies.

this is such bullshit.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: notfred

The school is an expansion of a two-classroom public school program that began in 1984. A gay-rights youth advocacy group, the Hetrick-Martin Institute, has managed and financed the program since its inception.

Doesn't look like the government is paying for it.

Right. It's not a public highschool. Gay rights? Like a homosexual has any more rights than anyone else? :| :| :| :| :| :| :|

They have a right not to be harassed or beaten by narrow-minded moralizing pinheads like you.

Fvck you.

And I have the right not to have their lifestyle forced down my throat every time some extreme flamer is around me. I don't bother them if they don't bother me. And I never, ever, start anything.

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: Judgement

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Yet they would scream if we opened an all straight high school.

I was thinking the same exact thing. Why are homosexuals being given benefits the rest of us arent? How is this any different then if someone opened a white only, or male only, or straight only HS... which undoubtedly would catch major heat for doing so. I'm sure there would be protests, people would be trying to sue... people who didn't fit in with the crowd attending the school would try to get in.

if there is enough students who are going to attend, i dont see a problem with it, and the point about there being gay math is idiotic, if you think that school is just there for academics you are stupid, a very valuable social education is gained in school too. gays, trannys and such probably have a terrible time in school from the social aspect of it, if they can do better in a school where homophobs cant bother them then i dont see the problem.

I understand its not easy for some of them, but isn't that a better social education then what they would get at all all homosexual school? Wouldn't that just be softening them up for a blow when they enter the real world? To me the better social education would be to accept their sexual preference, suck it up and learn to live with it in a diverse society where no one has the same preferences. Show them their choice to have a same sex partner should have no impact on their interactions with straight people, and that it should have absolutely no influence on their ability to get an education?

Unfortunately, many people don't have such an enlightened attitude towards gays. If they want to have a safe environment in which they're not going to be harassed by straight students and they can associate with other gays, then I'm all for it.

I'm not gay myself, but I got picked on mercilessly in school for being no more than being a geek with glasses and a hearing problem. I would have gladly attended a separate school for people like myself if it had meant I could learn in a safe environment.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

i didnt see any where in the article that straights wouldn't be allowed to attend if they want to. What would you say about schools for gifted children or children who dont speak english, or retarded kids? they are all specialized groups that dont do well in normal public schools, they all have special programs or entirely seperate schools available to them.

Those conditions are not sexual preference and that's the difference. Minority students don't do well either, are you encouraging segregation?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

So there should be schools for short people, schools for fat people, schools for people fighting acne, etc?

Fvck that. GROW UP. Stand up for yourself. If you choose to live your life a certain way, then you'd better be prepared to handle people who don't agree and bully you over it. It's part of growing up.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Judgement

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Yet they would scream if we opened an all straight high school.

I was thinking the same exact thing. Why are homosexuals being given benefits the rest of us arent? How is this any different then if someone opened a white only, or male only, or straight only HS... which undoubtedly would catch major heat for doing so. I'm sure there would be protests, people would be trying to sue... people who didn't fit in with the crowd attending the school would try to get in.

if there is enough students who are going to attend, i dont see a problem with it, and the point about there being gay math is idiotic, if you think that school is just there for academics you are stupid, a very valuable social education is gained in school too. gays, trannys and such probably have a terrible time in school from the social aspect of it, if they can do better in a school where homophobs cant bother them then i dont see the problem.

I understand its not easy for some of them, but isn't that a better social education then what they would get at all all homosexual school? Wouldn't that just be softening them up for a blow when they enter the real world? To me the better social education would be to accept their sexual preference, suck it up and learn to live with it in a diverse society where no one has the same preferences. Show them their choice to have a same sex partner should have no impact on their interactions with straight people, and that it should have absolutely no influence on their ability to get an education?

Unfortunately, many people don't have such an enlightened attitude towards gays. If they want to have a safe environment in which they're not going to be harassed by straight students and they can associate with other gays, then I'm all for it.

I'm not gay myself, but I got picked on mercilessly in school for being no more than being a geek with glasses and a hearing problem. I would have gladly attended a separate school for people like myself if it had meant I could learn in a safe environment.

Yes and in a perfect world there would be a special school for fat kids, for kids with pimple, kids in the band, etc. Unfortunately this is the real world, where we do have to put up with this sh!t. I was picked on as well, but I can't honestly say that I need my own school. This is life, kids are assholes, deal with it.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: Ameesh

i didnt see any where in the article that straights wouldn't be allowed to attend if they want to. What would you say about schools for gifted children or children who dont speak english, or retarded kids? they are all specialized groups that dont do well in normal public schools, they all have special programs or entirely seperate schools available to them.

Those conditions are not sexual preference and that's the difference. Minority students don't do well either, are you encouraging segregation?

I don't believe in students who don't speak English -either learn the society's primary language or stay out of society. "Retarded" kids need different levels of attention because of a physical abnormality, which is fine. I used to work with the Special Ed kids for a few months when I was in grade-school.

Homosexuals do NOT NEED SPECIAL PROGRAMS. They are NO DIFFERENT than you and I, other than their lifestyle choice.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: UglyCassanova

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Judgement

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Yet they would scream if we opened an all straight high school.

I was thinking the same exact thing. Why are homosexuals being given benefits the rest of us arent? How is this any different then if someone opened a white only, or male only, or straight only HS... which undoubtedly would catch major heat for doing so. I'm sure there would be protests, people would be trying to sue... people who didn't fit in with the crowd attending the school would try to get in.

if there is enough students who are going to attend, i dont see a problem with it, and the point about there being gay math is idiotic, if you think that school is just there for academics you are stupid, a very valuable social education is gained in school too. gays, trannys and such probably have a terrible time in school from the social aspect of it, if they can do better in a school where homophobs cant bother them then i dont see the problem.

I understand its not easy for some of them, but isn't that a better social education then what they would get at all all homosexual school? Wouldn't that just be softening them up for a blow when they enter the real world? To me the better social education would be to accept their sexual preference, suck it up and learn to live with it in a diverse society where no one has the same preferences. Show them their choice to have a same sex partner should have no impact on their interactions with straight people, and that it should have absolutely no influence on their ability to get an education?

Unfortunately, many people don't have such an enlightened attitude towards gays. If they want to have a safe environment in which they're not going to be harassed by straight students and they can associate with other gays, then I'm all for it.

I'm not gay myself, but I got picked on mercilessly in school for being no more than being a geek with glasses and a hearing problem. I would have gladly attended a separate school for people like myself if it had meant I could learn in a safe environment.

Yes and in a perfect world there would be a special school for fat kids, for kids with pimple, kids in the band, etc. Unfortunately this is the real world, where we do have to put up with this sh!t. I was picked on as well, but I can't honestly say that I need my own school. This is life, kids are assholes, deal with it.

I was picked on, as well. I bet there isn't one single person in the U.S. who wasn't picked on even ONCE while going to school. With the way crap is going, my dead grandmother will be less of a pussy than these kids!

 

[djheater]

The trend of this conversation has strayed back to one of my original points.

I believe yo enter very dangerous territory when you legislate interaction. Segregation is bad.

Social interaction should be properly and safely maintained through the intervention of community members. When you see some kids fighting in your neighborhood it's your social responsibilty to break it up and set them straight.

I don't agree with the government taking that social responsibility out of the hands of the people. NYC is just trying to cover thier ass by agreeing to this. IMO.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

It's not the government's fault. This is a private school, funded by private parties. The government has nothing to do with it.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: UglyCassanova

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Judgement

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Yet they would scream if we opened an all straight high school.

I was thinking the same exact thing. Why are homosexuals being given benefits the rest of us arent? How is this any different then if someone opened a white only, or male only, or straight only HS... which undoubtedly would catch major heat for doing so. I'm sure there would be protests, people would be trying to sue... people who didn't fit in with the crowd attending the school would try to get in.

if there is enough students who are going to attend, i dont see a problem with it, and the point about there being gay math is idiotic, if you think that school is just there for academics you are stupid, a very valuable social education is gained in school too. gays, trannys and such probably have a terrible time in school from the social aspect of it, if they can do better in a school where homophobs cant bother them then i dont see the problem.

I understand its not easy for some of them, but isn't that a better social education then what they would get at all all homosexual school? Wouldn't that just be softening them up for a blow when they enter the real world? To me the better social education would be to accept their sexual preference, suck it up and learn to live with it in a diverse society where no one has the same preferences. Show them their choice to have a same sex partner should have no impact on their interactions with straight people, and that it should have absolutely no influence on their ability to get an education?

Unfortunately, many people don't have such an enlightened attitude towards gays. If they want to have a safe environment in which they're not going to be harassed by straight students and they can associate with other gays, then I'm all for it.

I'm not gay myself, but I got picked on mercilessly in school for being no more than being a geek with glasses and a hearing problem. I would have gladly attended a separate school for people like myself if it had meant I could learn in a safe environment.

Yes and in a perfect world there would be a special school for fat kids, for kids with pimple, kids in the band, etc. Unfortunately this is the real world, where we do have to put up with this sh!t. I was picked on as well, but I can't honestly say that I need my own school. This is life, kids are assholes, deal with it.

In a perfect world there would be no fat kids or kids with pimples..or kids in bad

 

[djheater]

nik, would you take your finger off the fvcking submit button for a second so other people can get a post in?

 

[Garet Jax]

Unfortunately, this program allows these kids to get through school without learning one of the most important life lessons: how to get along and accept other people.

Our society is already too intolerant of different people. This type of school will just highlight this and allow our next generation to become even more intolerant.

 

[kranky]

Many people of high school age don't even know if they are gay or not. Many 15-17 year olds experiment.

 

[Ronstang]

Homosexuals are so gay!

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
It's not the government's fault. This is a private school, funded by private parties. The government has nothing to do with it.

New York is agreeing to it and it will "apparently" be administered by the school district. It falls into the realm of the public school district, therefore it's a government institution regardless of where the money comes from.

I've got more on my mind here than $'s

 

[Maleficus]

Originally posted by: kranky
Many people of high school age don't even know if they are gay or not. Many 15-17 year olds experiment.

I agree so much here, i've met 13 year olds and some even younger who 'knew they were gay' so much crap.