First public gay high school to open in NYC

[Beau]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Millennium
Nik, are you the Grand Wizard?

If I knew who that was, I would be able to tell you.

Basically asked if you were the leader of the KKK

 

[Maleficus]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Millennium
Nik, are you the Grand Wizard?

If I knew who that was, I would be able to tell you.

Gandalf the leader of the gay parade?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Millennium
Nik, are you the Grand Wizard?

If I knew who that was, I would be able to tell you.

Basically asked if you were the leader of the KKK

Ah, I see.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I don't see a problem with it. Most of the money doesn't seem to be coming from the city and it's true that gays get barraged at most schools with crap they don't need.

There should be zero, zip ZILCH money from the government going to this. Homosexuals don't get harrassed any more than fat people, ugly people, short people, tall people, etc. They're whining wankers who can't deal with being in a society where they aren't getting mothered to death.

How many fat people have you heard of being beaten to death for being fat? How many gay people?

I'm telling you racial segregation is the only comparison that holds water.

Harrassment is harrassment. Whether it's emotionally ruining a person for life or killing them so that they don't have to suffer for the rest of a miserable one, it's still harrassment. I don't see any difference between killing a black kid because he's black, killing a white kid because he's white, or belittling a homosexual all the time because he's homosexual. It shouldn't happen.

Juggling your opinions has sufficiently confused me that I think it's time I go read a book.

Why are you confused?

 

[joeryu]

this is the most bullsh|t idea ever. seriously this double standard crap is fvcking annoying, gays dont need special treatment like this they chose to be gay they need to deal with the consequences.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Encryptic
They have a right not to be harassed or beaten by narrow-minded moralizing pinheads like you.

So do the nerds and geeks who always get picked on but I've never seen a separate school made for them

 

[brigden]

I wouldn't want to face their team during a wrestling meet.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Encryptic
They have a right not to be harassed or beaten by narrow-minded moralizing pinheads like you.

So do the nerds and geeks who always get picked on but I've never seen a separate school made for them

actually i thought that was what most private schools were.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
segregation does not breed tolerance or understanding.

i'm not surprised it didnt happen in sf, i'm sure in sf they like integration

they have every right using private money though. goes to show there are stupid people in every group.

Exactly. This entire concept is ill-conceived and (in my mind) contrary to the basic ideals of the gay rights movement. My only complaint though, is the use of public funds (minimal as it may have been).

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I don't see a problem with it. Most of the money doesn't seem to be coming from the city and it's true that gays get barraged at most schools with crap they don't need.

There should be zero, zip ZILCH money from the government going to this. Homosexuals don't get harrassed any more than fat people, ugly people, short people, tall people, etc. They're whining wankers who can't deal with being in a society where they aren't getting mothered to death.

How many fat people have you heard of being beaten to death for being fat? How many gay people?

I'm telling you racial segregation is the only comparison that holds water.

Harrassment is harrassment. Whether it's emotionally ruining a person for life or killing them so that they don't have to suffer for the rest of a miserable one, it's still harrassment. I don't see any difference between killing a black kid because he's black, killing a white kid because he's white, or belittling a homosexual all the time because he's homosexual. It shouldn't happen.

Juggling your opinions has sufficiently confused me that I think it's time I go read a book.

I don't understand where you're going with this either.

From the above statement, it seems like you would be supporting a gay school where they wouldn't be harassed, then?

Everyone's got a right not to be harassed. If someone wants to form a special school for gay people, then so be it. They've got as much right to an education as anyone else does. Trying to improve conditions for gays at existing schools would probably be just as controversial as giving them their own school, anyway.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Encryptic
They have a right not to be harassed or beaten by narrow-minded moralizing pinheads like you.

So do the nerds and geeks who always get picked on but I've never seen a separate school made for them

actually i thought that was what most private schools were.

Uhh... not all geeks and nerds come from wealthy families... quite the opposite really.

 

[dquan97]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Maleficus

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Maleficus

Originally posted by: kranky
Many people of high school age don't even know if they are gay or not. Many 15-17 year olds experiment.

I agree so much here, i've met 13 year olds and some even younger who 'knew they were gay' so much crap.

Yes, it IS crap.

so your saying before people are sexually matured they know they are going to be gay? Maybe i was a late bloomer but i never really even thought about sex until i was at least 12-13 and even then it just crossed my mind it was until i was 14+ that it came to the forefront of my thoughts.

I don't believe that people who have not yet come to sexual maturity have any real wisdom about their own sexuality, much less already "knowing" that they are homosexual. I just think it's all a crock of sh|t.

Teenagers go through a tremendous amount of emotional change and some attribute those changes to "being gay", even though it could simply be a phase in their growth.

 

[spidey07]

since when do people have a right not to be harassed?

That's what I wanna know.

I have a right to harass anyone I damn well please.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: spidey07
since when do people have a right not to be harassed?

That's what I wanna know.

I have a right to harass anyone I damn well please.

It's probably tied in with "Persuit of Happiness". One could argue that harassment would deter that persuit.

 

[csyberblue]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

I think everybody feels that it's a good idea because some of the kids who are gays and lesbians have been constantly harassed and beaten in other schools

See, now that explains everything. Good thing they have these Magnet schools in Texas, just for the geeks. The geeks were so tired of getting harassed and beaten in other schools.

I just graduated from a magnet school in texas, it was great being a school with other geeks like me. I don't think it's right to support a segregated school like this with NYC tax dollars, when the city is already in a lot of debt. 3 million dollars is a lot for a school that has only 100 people.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I don't see a problem with it. Most of the money doesn't seem to be coming from the city and it's true that gays get barraged at most schools with crap they don't need.

There should be zero, zip ZILCH money from the government going to this. Homosexuals don't get harrassed any more than fat people, ugly people, short people, tall people, etc. They're whining wankers who can't deal with being in a society where they aren't getting mothered to death.

How many fat people have you heard of being beaten to death for being fat? How many gay people?

I'm telling you racial segregation is the only comparison that holds water.

Harrassment is harrassment. Whether it's emotionally ruining a person for life or killing them so that they don't have to suffer for the rest of a miserable one, it's still harrassment. I don't see any difference between killing a black kid because he's black, killing a white kid because he's white, or belittling a homosexual all the time because he's homosexual. It shouldn't happen.

Juggling your opinions has sufficiently confused me that I think it's time I go read a book.

I don't understand where you're going with this either.

From the above statement, it seems like you would be supporting a gay school where they wouldn't be harassed, then?

Everyone's got a right not to be harassed. If someone wants to form a special school for gay people, then so be it. They've got as much right to an education as anyone else does. Trying to improve conditions for gays at existing schools would probably be just as controversial as giving them their own school, anyway.

I have never said that I would support such a school. Read, people. Use LOGIC. I stated that such a school is preposterous. Harrassment, no matter what form, should not happen --but it's going to happen anyway so just buck up and deal with the bullsh|t. Why? Because everybody else

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

Originally posted by: spidey07
since when do people have a right not to be harassed?

That's what I wanna know.

I have a right to harass anyone I damn well please.

It's probably tied in with "Persuit of Happiness". One could argue that harassment would deter that persuit.

Having to pay taxes for sh!t like this hinders my pursuit of happiness (tell me you didn't go to public schools), but I doubt I'll win that argument.

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
All this mess about wanting to be equal. What a joke. They could have used that money to help children that really need it.

Take a look at the responses in this thread. "Gay" is a synonym for "uncool/stupid/whatever negative connotation you feel like attaching to something". While I think segregation is the wrong solution (don't people remember Jim Crow?), to assert that gays have any sort of social equality today is just nutty.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
All this mess about wanting to be equal. What a joke. They could have used that money to help children that really need it.

Take a look at the responses in this thread. "Gay" is a synonym for "uncool/stupid/whatever negative connotation you feel like attaching to something". While I think segregation is the wrong solution (don't people remember Jim Crow?), to assert that gays have any sort of social equality today is just nutty.

That depends on the person, really. In my eyes, they're equal. Just because you say that something is "gay" doesn't mean that you seriously think that homosexuals are lower forms of life.

 

[clicknext]

Isn't this just promoting seperatism between straight and gay? Shouldn't they, instead, work on making gays widely accepted in normal schools?

 

[ViperMagic]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Encryptic
They have a right not to be harassed or beaten by narrow-minded moralizing pinheads like you.

So do the nerds and geeks who always get picked on but I've never seen a separate school made for them

I belive there are, actually. A lot of people asked our team if we went to a math/science oriented private school when i was competeing at this years FIRST Robotics comp.

 

[desertdweller]

Originally posted by: csyberblue

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

I think everybody feels that it's a good idea because some of the kids who are gays and lesbians have been constantly harassed and beaten in other schools

See, now that explains everything. Good thing they have these Magnet schools in Texas, just for the geeks. The geeks were so tired of getting harassed and beaten in other schools.

I just graduated from a magnet school in texas, it was great being a school with other geeks like me. I don't think it's right to support a segregated school like this with NYC tax dollars, when the city is already in a lot of debt. 3 million dollars is a lot for a school that has only 100 people.

Interior decorators aren't cheap!! Someone has to match the drapes to the carpet to
the towels in the bathroom.


DD

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: clicknext
Isn't this just promoting seperatism between straight and gay? Shouldn't they, instead, work on making gays widely accepted in normal schools?

That would probably be just as controversial as making a special school for them in the first place, although it probably would be the better solution.

 

[kranky]

I don't see how a separate school will protect students from bullying and harrassment if that's the reason in the first place. Will they live in the school 24/7?

Because if they don't, how does it protect them from the presupposed bullying outside of school once they identify what HS they attend? Wouldn't that initiate the exact thing they claim they want to avoid?

 

[GeekDrew]

I don't believe that they should have 'gay' high schools because part of life is going through high school, and being picked on. I am gay, and went to a high school know for homophobia. Guess what... it's not that bad. Before I came out of the closet, I made a name for myself around the school... I had always been known as one of the 'smart kids' to most of the student body, and everyone knew that if anyone threw a challenge at me, I found a way to deal with it or overcome it. The staff at the school respected that, and eventually I started working very closely with teachers and administrators. I transferred high schools the summer before my junior year. There, I became friends with people, and then intentionally told a few people that I am gay (I made them promise not to tell anyone else about me, even though it was my full intention that it be passed around and made public). Most of the students there didn't think less of me at all for being gay. Those that did think otherwise, or wanted to pick on me, were very discreet about it, and did it behind my back... I know it was happening, but they tried to hide it rather well. The reason they did this? Because I became well respected and liked by the student body, as well as the staff & teachers. The school district hired me at the beginning of my senior year, and I worked on the computer support team (four staff members, not including myself).

Anyways, I've wondered off topic.

I have realized a lot in the past two months, since I graduated from high school. I was only at the homophobic high school for 2 years, freshman and sophomore. However, I received plenty of being picked on, etc, in that time span. Even though it's terrible to say, I think that every gay should go through it at some time or another. It changes them; their beliefs change, as do some of their actions. My boyfriend was not picked on in high school for being gay, even though he was open with his sexuality. Even though it doesn't make much sense, I believe that is why he is currently afraid to hold my hand in public, or otherwise appear to be gay. The only logic behind that is that he never had to defend himself, he was never forced to stand up for what he believes, he is deathly afraid of confrontation about his sexuality. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to make out with him, or be very flambouyant in public, but I would like to be able to hold his hand without either of us being afraid. I'm not scared to do it at all... I am firm in what I believe, I WILL defend what I believe is right.

Right. It's not a public highschool. Gay rights? Like a homosexual has any more rights than anyone else?

Nope, homosexuals should not have any further rights than heterosexuals... but they should have the EXACT SAME rights, include the right to defend themselves if needed, the right to hold hands or hug in public, the right to show affection for one another (well within boundaries), without being humiliated.

And I have the right not to have their lifestyle forced down my throat every time some extreme flamer is around me. I don't bother them if they don't bother me. And I never, ever, start anything.

Who cares if there is an extreme flamer around you? Ignore him! I don't even like extremely flaming gays. Unless I tell them explicitly, most people think that I am straight.

Fvck that. GROW UP. Stand up for yourself. If you choose to live your life a certain way, then you'd better be prepared to handle people who don't agree and bully you over it. It's part of growing up.

Hmmmmmm... every conclusion and thought process I've had on the subject leads me to the conclusion that I most definitely DID NOT CHOSE to be gay.

I don't believe in students who don't speak English -either learn the society's primary language or stay out of society. "Retarded" kids need different levels of attention because of a physical abnormality, which is fine. I used to work with the Special Ed kids for a few months when I was in grade-school.

Homosexuals do NOT NEED SPECIAL PROGRAMS. They are NO DIFFERENT than you and I, other than their lifestyle choice.

Agreed.

Many people of high school age don't even know if they are gay or not. Many 15-17 year olds experiment.

While many do not know, many do. I started puberty rather early... like fifth grade maybe? There was no doubt in my mind that I was gay, especially by the time I got to high school.

There should be zero, zip ZILCH money from the government going to this. Homosexuals don't get harrassed any more than fat people, ugly people, short people, tall people, etc. They're whining wankers who can't deal with being in a society where they aren't getting mothered to death.

I'm not sure that anything else in this thread angers me as much as this... quite a broad generalization. I agree that there should be no money from the government going to this. However, your generalization is completely false. Well over 3/4 of the gay people I know are NOT "whining wankers who can't deal with being in a society where they aren't getting mothered to death". Nearly all gays have taken a lot of crap from a lot of people, and will continue to do so. That statement isn't even remotely close to true.

Harrassment is harrassment. Whether it's emotionally ruining a person for life or killing them so that they don't have to suffer for the rest of a miserable one, it's still harrassment. I don't see any difference between killing a black kid because he's black, killing a white kid because he's white, or belittling a homosexual all the time because he's homosexual. It shouldn't happen.

Agreed, and thank you.

Take a look at the responses in this thread. "Gay" is a synonym for "uncool/stupid/whatever negative connotation you feel like attaching to something". While I think segregation is the wrong solution (don't people remember Jim Crow?), to assert that gays have any sort of social equality today is just nutty.

That depends on the person, really. In my eyes, they're equal. Just because you say that something is "gay" doesn't mean that you seriously think that homosexuals are lower forms of life.

Most of my friends are gay. I'm gay. We routinely call each other and other inanimate objects gay... depends on how the word is used. I can use it durogatorally (sp?), but I most certainly do not think less of gays for that reason.

Cliff's notes: I'm gay. I coped in high school. Everyone should. I do not support this high school, but I'm not against it either.

Drew

(I love getting PMs in response to my posts... haven't gotten any in a while)