First retail 6870 photo; now includes full Chinese leaks and Guru3D review discussion

[busydude]

Can you all stop flaming each other. Mods, can you please lock this damn thread.

 

[blastingcap]

Yes and no.

if it had some concrete information to talk about that hasn't been beaten to death allready along with a picture, sure post it.

But a real/fake picture with some more rumors to add to the overflowing pot of 10 threads and another 3 locked gets tiresome?
Don't you agree?

I get your point though,I'll just shut up and keep my opinions to myself.
Thanks buddy.

Okay you threadcrapped when I posted the first concrete AMD confirmation of HD6xxx in the other thread where a high-level AMD employee said HD6xxx was rolling out a nice chunk of the series by year's end, claiming that it was old news. You were set in place by people who said: no, it is not "old news," this was the first confirmation by an AMD employee. Previously it was all rumors.

Then you threadcrap here saying this info is beaten to death, but my post had two new things:
a) a retail-edition photo never seen before
b) indirect confirmation of naming (6870)

I do agree that a master thread makes more sense, and I voted that way in the poll, but a majority of people wanted to keep things separate, and some people had good points, like how they would rather see threads with subtopics that interested them, than wade through a megathread where it could get hard to track certain information.

Also, nobody is putting a gun to your head and asking you to read threads about HD6xxx. I don't know why you need to threadcrap, claim that "it's all rumors, so let's just wait and see" (paraphrase)--while simultaneously telling someone asking for buying advice that the HD6xxx is coming out in November--unequivocally, with no mention of the many, many rumors of an October launch. Then the accusations of people of being AMD marketers or "fanbois," wow.... I don't know what purpose that could serve other than to obfuscate. I don't know why you can't just skip threads about HD6xxx rather than doing what you did, or else post in a civilized manner.

I got infractions and vacationed for that ,even though they were on totally different subjects, and that was with a released product. There was even a special thread made in the personal forum issue section because of it. I bet you can guess who were the top 10 cheerleaders? The very same 10 fanbois that have been screwing our forums up.
Between all 10 they had about 2000 post and 2 years total years membership.
It was about the same time when our mod KEysplayer was LYNCHED (looks up at above poster).

I think thats quite different.

Happy I'm sorry to hear what happened to you if that's what really happened. However, I would appreciate it if you didn't take out your frustrations on innocent people. I feel that it is highly inappropriate for you to cast aspersions on 7 people on this thread and 10 members in general, in the manner that you did.

Lastly, I feel that it's toxic to a community to repeatedly attack people just for having low post counts or for being relatively new sign-ups. If forum policy followed your reasoning, it could lead to spamming lots of irrelevant or silly posts just to increase post counts. Such a policy would also discourage lurkers from posting, if they are just going to get bullied for having low post counts. Furthermore, such a policy would discourage new people from signing up, and communities die without new blood. I think people's posts should stand on their own merits, regardless of post counts or duration of membership.

 

[Ares1214]

At 900mhz, a 1GB 460 is faster than both GTX470 and 5870. Remember GTX460 has higher texture fill-rate than a GTX470.

"The gap between the overclocked Palit and the Radeon HD 5870 shrinks to 7.5%, though [1920x1200]. The Palit card wins most of our tests, demonstrating the huge potential of the GF104 core."

Nv already sells an 810mhz (GTX470 performance) GTX460 for $230. So Barts XT would have to cost about $230 or below with GTX470 performance to at least match this.

I disagree. Obviously, if you OC something a large amount, its going to perform better, i dont see what all the hype around the 460 about it is. Lower performing cards at stock are always good value when you OC them, the 460 is no different. However, if AMD wanted to OC it to say, 1000 MHz, im sure it would do pretty well too. But that doesnt matter. Id say $250 would be a good selling point for the 6870. But it also depends on how much NV drops prices on the 460. But i do agree, overclocking on the 6870 seems pretty limited, but we might be surprised

 

[notty22]

Semi Accurate is running this story along with most of the past rumors. Charlies past story on 9-24, was ambiguous, in that a 6870 is coming in Nov, but he mentioned Barts would be 6770, so I guess he will be part right either way. The only thing I think we know is solid,there will be a 256 bit-1 gig card?

I disagree. Obviously, if you OC something a large amount, its going to perform better, i dont see what all the hype around the 460 about it is. Lower performing cards at stock are always good value when you OC them, the 460 is no different. However, if AMD wanted to OC it to say, 1000 MHz, im sure it would do pretty well too. But that doesnt matter. Id say $250 would be a good selling point for the 6870. But it also depends on how much NV drops prices on the 460. But i do agree, overclocking on the 6870 seems pretty limited, but we might be surprised

You can't trivialize potential 30% overclocking. Not many cards can do this. Not many cards would scale in performance either.
The current 5770 for example is stock at 850, you might get 950 for 10% more performance.
A reference 5850 with voltage adjustment is the only comparable card (stock)performance/oc ability wise to the gtx 460.
Now many 5850's were made without that ability, and they cost more than the gtx 460.

 

[blastingcap]

Isn't Barts XT rumored to come in at 900mhz? I doubt there is more than 100-150mhz of extra overclocking room in there? Maybe we'll get a nice surprise. I still think ATI card will consume less power and have multiple display support, which ultimately will make it more attractive than the overclocked 460.

Silverforce kept saying that the new GPUs will be highly oc'able, but I share your skepticism. I also agree with your analysis on pricing to a degree, though I think the actual prices may end up a bit lower because GTX460 prices have free-fallen (at least after rebate). GTX460-768MB for $129.99AR almost broke my resolve... if it weren't my need for single-GPU 3-way-monitor, I would have jumped on that deal.

AMD, get your act together and launch the darned cards already, before NV regains its sanity re: prices! I want a price war in the midrange segment, darn it!

 

[Ares1214]

Semi Accurate is running this story along with most of the past rumors. Charlies past story on 9-24, was ambiguous, in that a 6870 is coming in Nov, but he mentioned Barts would be 6770, so I guess he will be part right either way. The only thing I think we know is solid,there will be a 256 bit-1 gig card?

You can't trivialize potential 30% overclocking. Not many cards can do this. Not many cards would scale in performance either.
The current 5770 for example is stock at 850, you might get 950 for 10% more performance.
A reference 5850 with voltage adjustment is the only comparable card (stock)performance/oc ability wise to the gtx 460.
Now many 5850's were made without that ability, and they cost more than the gtx 460.

Fact is, going around cheering a card for what ironically, the 5850 can do too, and all card can do to an extent is pointless. Yes, the 460 is a great value. Yes, it overclocks high. But that doesnt mean all of the sudden the 460 will beat everything AMD has JUST because it can overclock. I personally would assume, if the 460 has to OC 20% to get GTX 470 performance, and can usually go another 5-10%, and the 6870 is suppose to have GTX 470 performance, it would have to OC atleast 5-10% to keep up with a fully OC'ed 460. So basically 950-1000 MHz. Now while i dont think it will be a monster overclocker, and i very well could be wrong, i think it can pull 5-10%. Atleast.

 

[BladeVenom]

it has been rollo, wreckage, myself...and they even scared off chizow, who added more to this sub-forum than most of the resident zoners combined.

lol!

 

[Will Robinson]

Yes,the GTX460 does overclock quite well.We've heard nothing but how well it overclocks from some forum members here.
I can't wait to see it "overclocked to within an inch of its life" against the new Barts GPU.
Good Luck with that.

 

[notty22]

Fact is, going around cheering a card for what ironically, the 5850 can do too, and all card can do to an extent is pointless. Yes, the 460 is a great value. Yes, it overclocks high. But that doesnt mean all of the sudden the 460 will beat everything AMD has JUST because it can overclock. I personally would assume, if the 460 has to OC 20% to get GTX 470 performance, and can usually go another 5-10%, and the 6870 is suppose to have GTX 470 performance, it would have to OC atleast 5-10% to keep up with a fully OC'ed 460. So basically 950-1000 MHz. Now while i dont think it will be a monster overclocker, and i very well could be wrong, i think it can pull 5-10%. Atleast.

Actually I don't think its pointless at all to remind YOU that all the performance rumored in 'Barts' is available right now in the GTX 460 and we see models with custom triple slot cooling solutions like this for 225.00.
Imo your not going to see gtx 470 performance, I imagine 5850 or near performance, but much better dx11 performance. It will show in Uningene Heaven dx11 benchmark, Dirt 2 etc.
I will be curious if they can come close to pricing #'s we are seeing with the gtx460. If they do, AWESOME.

 

[BFG10K]

Ladies and gentlemen, the thread stays, and there are no plans to merge it into any “mega” thread at this time. A picture thread is sufficiently different to the other threads we have now.

If you’re struggling for things to talk about, I’d suggest discussing the layout of the card, the cooler, connectors, and other physical characteristics that can be derived from the pictures.

So let’s stop the thread crapping and get back on topic. If you all can’t do that then the thread will be locked.

Super Moderator BFG10K.

 

[RussianSensation]

Fact is, going around cheering a card for what ironically, the 5850 can do too, and all card can do to an extent is pointless. Yes, the 460 is a great value. Yes, it overclocks high. But that doesnt mean all of the sudden the 460 will beat everything AMD has JUST because it can overclock.

I think you missed the point here. Most people don't overclock their GPUs. So if you want, you can get GTX470 performance in an 810mhz factory pre-overclocked videocard for $230 today, and it's covered by warranty. So Barts XT will not just compete with 675mhz factory clocked GTX460s at $199 price point, but also with factory pre-overclocked 460s at $200-230. So even if Barts XT can beat a stock 460 (which I have no doubts about), it's a lot harder to beat a 20% faster GTX460. Therefore, the pricing of Barts will be crucial. In a similar fashion, we'd all love to buy factory pre-overclocked 5850 @ 900-950mhz for a small premium (but unfortunately that's not possible). So while 5850 can overclock just as well, AMD's AIBs don't do as good of a job shipping factory pre-overclocked variants.

It's interesting that the new card will have a smaller exhaust opening. This may mean that it will run pretty cool. I wonder what AIBs will do with aftermarket cooling, while retaining all the video-out ports.

 

[slash196]

Ladies and gentlemen, the thread stays, and there are no plans to merge it into any “mega” thread at this time. A picture thread is sufficiently different to the other threads we have now.

If you’re struggling for things to talk about, I’d suggest discussing the layout of the card, the cooler, connectors, and other physical characteristics that can be derived from the pictures.

So let’s stop the thread crapping and get back on topic. If you all can’t do that then the thread will be locked.

Super Moderator BFG10K.

Excellent idea, unfortunately it looks basically identical to the 5870, and we can't see the power connectors in the back. Hopefully it's not too loud but we really can't speculate on that.

 

[dguy6789]

It has been Rollo, Wreckage, myself...and they even scared off Chizow, who added more to this sub-forum than most of the resident Zoners combined.

Rollo, Wreckage, and Chizow were like diseases that plagued the forum and nothing more. All they did was blatantly lie when asked any kind of question to make it sound like Nvidia was the right choice even if it wasn't. They would deliberately lie about Nvidia and ATI graphics cards in any given thread even if they weren't asked a question. I remember when Rollo was telling people to buy Geforce FX 5900 Ultras when people asked what would give them the best performance in Half Life 2. He said that even when this performance data was readily available: http://www.anandtech.com/show/1144/8



If you cannot post to the topic at hand, please don't post.

If you have a problem with a member or a post, use the report button.

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[Will Robinson]

So while 5850 can overclock just as well, AMD's AIBs don't do as good of a job shipping factory pre-overclocked variants.

That's certainly a valid point and needs to be addressed.
There's plenty of headroom in the 5850 for overclocking,lots of forums around the Net will attest to that yet....the NVDA cards always seem to produce better bench/game scores when equivalently overclocked.
ATI cards clock high but the measured frames per second increase is often pretty ordinary.
I've run mine at stock clocks and as overclocked as it will go on water and stock voltage,couldn't tell any difference in games tho,just much higher idle temperature of the card.
If an overclocked card will break you through some barrier and allow better IQ or much smoother game play then its worth a small premium on the cards,I really wonder whether that's a common outcome tho?

 

[Skurge]

I just noticed that image looks just like this one, but with the branding on it.

So now that we know BartsXT is 6870, or at least we think we do. Where do those vantage and crysis benches fit into the picture?

 

[tviceman]

I just noticed that image looks just like this one, but with the branding on it.

So now that we know BartsXT is 6870, or at least we think we do. Where do those vantage and crysis benches fit into the picture?

I thought those benchmarks (if actually legitimate) were of the cayman gpu...

 

[Aristotelian]

In any of the leaked data I have seen in the threads posted here, these 'Barts' parts all seem to have 1GB of GDDR5. If these are the new 'midrange' cards, I suppose they are not meant to run games at high enough resolutions where the 1GB is a limiting factor? Or perhaps, only in very few games, is 1GB a limiting factor?

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...apphire-hd-5870-2gb-toxic-edition-review.html

In that review of the 5870 2GB Toxic (higher stock core and memory speeds) the 5870 only seems worth it at much higher/multi monitor resolutions.

Think we'll see some additional memory at higher end, single gpu parts with the 6XXX?

 

[Ares1214]

In any of the leaked data I have seen in the threads posted here, these 'Barts' parts all seem to have 1GB of GDDR5. If these are the new 'midrange' cards, I suppose they are not meant to run games at high enough resolutions where the 1GB is a limiting factor? Or perhaps, only in very few games, is 1GB a limiting factor?

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...apphire-hd-5870-2gb-toxic-edition-review.html

In that review of the 5870 2GB Toxic (higher stock core and memory speeds) the 5870 only seems worth it at much higher/multi monitor resolutions.

Think we'll see some additional memory at higher end, single gpu parts with the 6XXX?

Right now, 2 gigs is pretty useless unless you are doing multi monitors, 25x16, or maybe about 4 games that use that much memory. Id be pretty disappointed if Barts had 2 gigs, it would be a waste of money. 2 gig 6970's might be stock, or they might be a lot more common this time around. And i dont think the renaming makes the former leaks fakes. Its very possible that AMD had just recently opted for a name change...

 

[Ares1214]

I thought those benchmarks (if actually legitimate) were of the cayman gpu...

I think that picture is fake...ATI logo. Should probably be AMD.

 

[Skurge]

I thought those benchmarks (if actually legitimate) were of the cayman gpu...

I think the device IDs should clear that up, but as you say if they are legit.

 

[Skurge]

I think that picture is fake...ATI logo. Should probably be AMD.

There is an AMD Radeon logo on the fan.

 

[gitano]

yep but the "radeon hd 6870" letters in the photo looks like fake, just take a look at the letters borders.

 

[Ares1214]

There is an AMD Radeon logo on the fan.

Im talking about the one above ^

 

[AtenRa]

6850 pic and Performance ???

The first is "strong" HD6870
核心频率： 900 Core frequency: 900
显存频率： 4200 Memory Frequency: 4200
流处理器数量： 960 Number of stream processors: 960
3DV跑分 P 16270 X 7538 3DV run sub-P 16270 X 7538
3D06跑分19480 3D06 run sub-19 480

再来“给力”的HD6850 Come back "to force" the HD6850
核心频率： 775 Core frequency: 775
显存频率： 4000 Memory Frequency: 4000
流处理器数量： 800 Number of stream processors: 800
3DV跑分 P 14872 X 6549 3DV run sub-P 14872 X 6549
3D06跑分18750 Run sub-3D06 18750

 

[notty22]

If I'm reading that correct, the 6870 scored P16270 in Vantage with a 900mhz clock speed. That might just beat a gtx 460@810.
I did a lot of runs myself, saved a pic of a test with gtx 460@920 and I scored P17100 without PPU.