First Review of X1950XTX

[tuteja1986]

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[redbox]

Originally posted by: dgevert


I run my 7950GX2 with HQ. HQ on in 3DMark06 got me 2000 more points compared to my X1900XT(X). I'd say that's a pretty BIG increase in performance. It's not something that an increase in memory bandwidth is going to account for.

Well 2000 more points is not a BIG increase in performance in 3dmark you can get that extra performance just from overclocking. Just because it took a whole gpu added to your card to get that edge doesn't mean the performance is insurmountable. If the bottle neck on an x1900xtx is memory badnwidth then increasing it from 750 all the way to 1000 will most likely close the gap. You are right however if the there is no memory bandwidth bottle neck for the x1900xtx then this increase won't do much. I do suspect though that the enginers at ATI who have worked with this card, and you know made it, know how to get extra performance out of it.

It's interesting when Nvidia did a speed bump on their 7800 series they increased the GPU and the memory and got really good results but couldn't make enough of them to sell. Then when Nvidia did a speed bump on their 7900 series they just increased, well everything, and they have a nice Frankenstein card now. Now with ATI they are just planning to increase the memory bandwidth? Thats it? No hiper clocked GPU and Memory like on Nvidia's 7800 512? No pancake plan like the 7950GX2? "Nope" says the ATI enginer, "We're just increasing the memory speed, that's all she really needed" Well I hope it works out for them. I can't wait to see more reviews.

 

[razor2025]

How about making the card smaller? It's practically filling the entire width of the motherboard... I can't get anything past the X8xx or 6xxx series because all these over-sized monstrosities blocks my 2 IDE ports on the motherboard.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: Frackal
Yup, I'm not surprised. I've been saying for awhile that an overclocked x1900xtx might be very close to a 7950GX2 once the quality settings were equalized. We now have a couple reviews showing how good the XTX does against the se cards once quality settings are the same. Damn I'm glad I went with the XTX. Nvidia's gotta fix this crap

I run my 7950GX2 with HQ. HQ on in 3DMark06 got me 2000 more points compared to my X1900XT(X). I'd say that's a pretty BIG increase in performance. It's not something that an increase in memory bandwidth is going to account for. Bottom line is that with HQ on, it doesn't change the fact that going from my OC'ed X1900XT to a 7950GX2 was a HUGE increase for me - afterwards I was able to run several of my games at much higher detail levels. I went from playing FEAR at 1280x800 to 1920x1200.

Some critical thought, that's all I'm asking of you guys.

Perhaps, but I came from a 7800GTX OC from BFG, and my frames in games like battlefield 2 are flatly double what they were on the BFG card at identical image quality settings. (4xAA/16xAF HQ, everything on high)

 

[Praxis1452]

The cached review said that compared to the X1900XT/X in some benchmarks they got a 33% performance boost... Thats almost linear so it seems that in some instances the X1900XTX's were very bandwith limited.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: razor2025
How about making the card smaller? It's practically filling the entire width of the motherboard... I can't get anything past the X8xx or 6xxx series because all these over-sized monstrosities blocks my 2 IDE ports on the motherboard.

Your wanting to buy a brand new video card but you are still using 2 IDE ports? Get some sata drives and ditch the floppy problem solved.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: razor2025
How about making the card smaller? It's practically filling the entire width of the motherboard... I can't get anything past the X8xx or 6xxx series because all these over-sized monstrosities blocks my 2 IDE ports on the motherboard.

Your wanting to buy a brand new video card but you are still using 2 IDE ports? Get some sata drives and ditch the floppy problem solved.

Not an option for some depending on various situations. It could be a money thing and the person has a few older but still quite serviceable PATA HD's. The mobo may have no or limited SATA support. He could have two optical drives as well as a PATA HD which makes use of two IDE ports necessary.

 

[razor2025]

Originally posted by: akugami

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: razor2025
How about making the card smaller? It's practically filling the entire width of the motherboard... I can't get anything past the X8xx or 6xxx series because all these over-sized monstrosities blocks my 2 IDE ports on the motherboard.

Your wanting to buy a brand new video card but you are still using 2 IDE ports? Get some sata drives and ditch the floppy problem solved.

Not an option for some depending on various situations. It could be a money thing and the person has a few older but still quite serviceable PATA HD's. The mobo may have no or limited SATA support. He could have two optical drives as well as a PATA HD which makes use of two IDE ports necessary.

Bingo. There are hardly any good SATA optical drives for at least 1 IDE ports are neccesary. Then I have 3 PATA drives that are perfectly working and bought recently. The size and power requirement for GPUs are already gone out of hand.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

It just seems like PC's are forever stuck between legacy/newer interfaces. Will there ever be a time when we have just one interface for add-in cards, and one for external devices?

 

[Dainas]

As long as it outperforms, or atleast is not subject to massive outside-combat FPS bombs that my 7800GTX SLI in Oblivion gets......I'll jump ship like a frightened rat.

What I really wish is that ATI and Nvidia would get their heads out of their a** about SLI/Crossfire support, as they make alot more money per GPU sold than chipset.

 

[SolMiester]

Wow, i cant even find the article on their web site!?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: akugami

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: razor2025
How about making the card smaller? It's practically filling the entire width of the motherboard... I can't get anything past the X8xx or 6xxx series because all these over-sized monstrosities blocks my 2 IDE ports on the motherboard.

Your wanting to buy a brand new video card but you are still using 2 IDE ports? Get some sata drives and ditch the floppy problem solved.

Not an option for some depending on various situations. It could be a money thing and the person has a few older but still quite serviceable PATA HD's. The mobo may have no or limited SATA support. He could have two optical drives as well as a PATA HD which makes use of two IDE ports necessary.

Uhhh I have 2 SATA drives and 1 PATA drive and 2 optical drives. So what? I'm not out of date or anything.... Floppy drive is useful. Plus it's also my cardreader..

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: Frackal
Yup, I'm not surprised. I've been saying for awhile that an overclocked x1900xtx might be very close to a 7950GX2 once the quality settings were equalized. We now have a couple reviews showing how good the XTX does against the se cards once quality settings are the same. Damn I'm glad I went with the XTX. Nvidia's gotta fix this crap

I run my 7950GX2 with HQ. HQ on in 3DMark06 got me 2000 more points compared to my X1900XT(X). I'd say that's a pretty BIG increase in performance. It's not something that an increase in memory bandwidth is going to account for. Bottom line is that with HQ on, it doesn't change the fact that going from my OC'ed X1900XT to a 7950GX2 was a HUGE increase for me - afterwards I was able to run several of my games at much higher detail levels. I went from playing FEAR at 1280x800 to 1920x1200.

Some critical thought, that's all I'm asking of you guys.

Perhaps, but I came from a 7800GTX OC from BFG, and my frames in games like battlefield 2 are flatly double what they were on the BFG card at identical image quality settings. (4xAA/16xAF HQ, everything on high)

Well, you would see a huge increase in performance, because a 7800GTX is similiar to a performance of a X1800XT (with the latter being 5~10% faster in some cases). I mean if you got a 7950GX2 from a 7800GTX, you probably could see your FPS increase between 40~80% if not higher.

 

[tvdang7]

the links dont work for me. some one take them down?

 

[gobucks]

Originally posted by: tvdang7
the links dont work for me. some one take them down?

yeah i'm just getting a little black box in the middle of the screen, the review at vr-zone is gone.

also, i just wanna chime in that I highly doubt that a single X1950XTX is gonna be able beat an SLI rig just because of the extra memory bandwidth. while memory bandwidth is important, GPU clockspeed is just as important, and they aren't increasing it at all.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: gobucks

Originally posted by: tvdang7
the links dont work for me. some one take them down?

yeah i'm just getting a little black box in the middle of the screen, the review at vr-zone is gone.

also, i just wanna chime in that I highly doubt that a single X1950XTX is gonna be able beat an SLI rig just because of the extra memory bandwidth. while memory bandwidth is important, GPU clockspeed is just as important, and they aren't increasing it at all.

SLI'd 6600Gts?

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: gobucks

Originally posted by: tvdang7
the links dont work for me. some one take them down?

yeah i'm just getting a little black box in the middle of the screen, the review at vr-zone is gone.

also, i just wanna chime in that I highly doubt that a single X1950XTX is gonna be able beat an SLI rig just because of the extra memory bandwidth. while memory bandwidth is important, GPU clockspeed is just as important, and they aren't increasing it at all.

I think people don't understand the inpact memory bandwidth can have. Look at the conroe they changed a whole lot on that cpu but the main thing they did was improve the way it accesses memory. The onboard memory controller of an A64 has been a big plus. My theory with the x1900 is that the core is so powerful that it needs more memory bandwidth to really get to buisness. I keep hearing people say "All their doing it increasing the memory clocks????? that's not going to do anything." It will do something if that has been the bottle neck. And with a core with 48 pixel shaders I think some extra memory could do alot. Why do you think users of the x1900 have been having such great results from memory clock increases?

 

[acole1]

Originally posted by: tvdang7
the links dont work for me. some one take them down?

Anyone know why the links arn't working?

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: acole1

Anyone know why the links arn't working?

Shamino said that he was "asked" to take the article down. Probably by ATI.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: Elfear

Originally posted by: acole1

Anyone know why the links arn't working?

Shamino said that he was "asked" to take the article down. Probably by ATI.

How do we know that? Maybe it was Nvidia :Q

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: hemmy
an X1950XTX cannot beat a 7800GTX 512 in SLI, im sorry but you are on drugs

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The 7900GT=7800GTX (slightly OCed)
The 7950GX2 has 2 7900GT GPUs in it
The x1950xtx can beat a 7950GX2
SO, x1950xtx>7800GTX SLI

Capiche?

7800 GTX 512 SLI, that is extremely close to a 7900 GTX SLI configuration. So no only in a situation where ATI has massive advantages.

On the whole if the performance of the X1950 XTX is around the level of the 7950GX2, then no it won't beat 7800 GTX 512 in SLI.

Read more carefully next time.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: hemmy
an X1950XTX cannot beat a 7800GTX 512 in SLI, im sorry but you are on drugs

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The 7900GT=7800GTX (slightly OCed)
The 7950GX2 has 2 7900GT GPUs in it
The x1950xtx can beat a 7950GX2
SO, x1950xtx>7800GTX SLI

Capiche?

7800 GTX 512 SLI, that is extremely close to a 7900 GTX SLI configuration. So no only in a situation where ATI has massive advantages.

On the whole if the performance of the X1950 XTX is around the level of the 7950GX2, then no it won't beat 7800 GTX 512 in SLI.

Read more carefully next time.

Oh shoot, you're right -- my bad

 

[Modular]

Links are boken FTL

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: hemmy
an X1950XTX cannot beat a 7800GTX 512 in SLI, im sorry but you are on drugs

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The 7900GT=7800GTX (slightly OCed)
The 7950GX2 has 2 7900GT GPUs in it
The x1950xtx can beat a 7950GX2
SO, x1950xtx>7800GTX SLI

Capiche?

7800 GTX 512 SLI, that is extremely close to a 7900 GTX SLI configuration. So no only in a situation where ATI has massive advantages.

On the whole if the performance of the X1950 XTX is around the level of the 7950GX2, then no it won't beat 7800 GTX 512 in SLI.

Read more carefully next time.

Did you see my post :

quoted by redbox
Here are your drugs

Lets see what Fear at 1920x1400 4xaa does with a pair of 7800gtx 512?

36fps not bad

Now lets see what Fear does with the same settings with one x1900xtx?

38fps ummm lets see that one beats the 7800gtx 512 in SLI!!!!!

And that isn't even the x1950xtx :Q

Right there an x1900xtx is beating 7800gtx 512 in SLI so you know the x1950xtx will with it's 2ghz mem. It's not beating it buy alot and they can pretty much be called a tie but it's SLI vs. a single card come on!

EDIT: after looking at the Anandtech bench closer I found that FEAR is about the only game that the x1900xtx beats a 7800gtx 512 SLI setup. This still is nothing to frown at though as I find FEAR to be the hardest to run game right now. It will be hard for the x1950xtx though to beat a 7800gtx 512 SLI setup in all the games.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: hemmy
an X1950XTX cannot beat a 7800GTX 512 in SLI, im sorry but you are on drugs

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The 7900GT=7800GTX (slightly OCed)
The 7950GX2 has 2 7900GT GPUs in it
The x1950xtx can beat a 7950GX2
SO, x1950xtx>7800GTX SLI

Capiche?

7800 GTX 512 SLI, that is extremely close to a 7900 GTX SLI configuration. So no only in a situation where ATI has massive advantages.

On the whole if the performance of the X1950 XTX is around the level of the 7950GX2, then no it won't beat 7800 GTX 512 in SLI.

Read more carefully next time.

Did you see my post :

quoted by redbox
Here are your drugs

Lets see what Fear at 1920x1400 4xaa does with a pair of 7800gtx 512?

36fps not bad

Now lets see what Fear does with the same settings with one x1900xtx?

38fps ummm lets see that one beats the 7800gtx 512 in SLI!!!!!

And that isn't even the x1950xtx :Q

Right there an x1900xtx is beating 7800gtx 512 in SLI so you know the x1950xtx will with it's 2ghz mem. It's not beating it buy alot and they can pretty much be called a tie but it's SLI vs. a single card come on!

EDIT: after looking at the Anandtech bench closer I found that FEAR is about the only game that the x1900xtx beats a 7800gtx 512 SLI setup. This still is nothing to frown at though as I find FEAR to be the hardest to run game right now. It will be hard for the x1950xtx though to beat a 7800gtx 512 SLI setup in all the games.

I already covered that with my post. F.E.A.R was programmed on ATI hardware and got the Nvidia TWIWMTBP sticker at the last minute, and hence is an ATI favourable game, there was a time where the 7800 GTX lost to the X850 XT PE in this game till the "service pack" Nvidia driver threw out so they became more competitive.

Like I have stated, I will consider an average, not selectively chosen secenarios.

Not to mention that the data you posted is not only outdated, as well it was done on the demo, which sucked even more on Nvidia hardware. So this is data I will throw out immediately.