First Tests: NVidia's 5900 FX Chip

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GeForce FX 5900 Ultra takes graphics speed crown--barely.

Alexandra Krasne, PCWorld.com
Monday, May 12, 2003

With the release this week of its GeForce FX 5900 Ultra, NVidia pushes ahead in the graphics chip wars--but not by much, according to first tests.


NVidia touts its new GeForce FX 5900 Ultra chip as "the fastest GPU in history." PC World Labs tests find its performance provides little boost over either NVidia's last-generation 5800 FX or a reference card based on ATI's Radeon 9800 chip.


Improvements Noted
NVidia is eager to make up shortcomings of its last release, the GeForce FX 5800, which arrived to market much later than expected and uses a cooling mechanism so loud some dubbed it "the lawnmower." The FX 5900's cooling system is much quieter than its predecessor's, but like the FX 5800, it's big, taking up two slots and requiring a 300-watt power supply.

The test board that PC World evaluated came with a whopping 256MB of DDR SDRAM and is expected to cost about $500. A 128MB version is also available and should run about $400. Expected to ship GeForce 5800 cards are NVidia partners Asus, PNY, MSI, AOpen, Gainward, and others.

Still, based on tests, it may take the arrival of advanced games to really exploit the card and make it most worthwhile.


Test Results
PC World tests found notable performance differences in games only at higher resolutions. At 1280 by 1024, the 5900 FX Ultra boosted games like Serious Sam 2 and Unreal Tournament 2002 (UT) by just 3 to 5 frames per second over a 5800FX Ultra-based card. Only at 1600 by 1200 does the 5900 pull noticeably ahead of the 5800, though still by 11 to 14 frames per second. (We tested the FX 5900 card with an early version of the driver.)

NVidia maintains its lead over ATI on Serious Sam, but ATI's 9800 excels at lower resolutions of UT, offering about 10 to 11 fps more than the 5900 FX. It drops off, however, at higher resolutions, earning 123 fps to the NVidia's 138 on UT at 1600 by 1200.

In the UT anti-aliasing tests, the 5900 falls behind both its chief competitors, earning 130 fps (using 4X anti-aliasing, 8X anisotropic filtering), while the 5800 gets 138 (using 2X AA, 8X AF), and the 9800 gets 136 (using 4X AA, 8X AF). Anti-aliasing technology softens the jagged edges of 3D images and anisotropic filtering smoothes scenes in which a textured image, like a tiled floor, starts in the foreground and extends into the background.


Overview
The new NVidia chip offers a reworked anisotropic filtering engine. However, the preproduction ATI Radeon 9800 chip provides far superior image quality, according to subjective tests.

Still, the FX 5900 is tuned to take advantage of features in games that haven't arrived yet.

One new function, UltraShadow, will render shadows and scenes more quickly and efficiently, making games such as yet-to-be-released Doom III, Half-Life 2, and Aquamark 3 run faster and smoother, according to NVidia.

That's tough to verify at this point, however, because DirectX 9 titles are yet to be found. They aren't expected to show up on store shelves until the fall--when the payoff for investing in the GeForce FX 5900 Ultra might be more apparent.

 

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With the nVidia blasting away at ATi in the Doom 3 Benchmarks without any supposed 'cheating'. A new 5600 Ultra looks very appealing
 

Megatomic

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You'd better be careful Tabb, the ATI police are on the lookout for anyone with anything good to say about NVidia products. I have even seen them attack nForce products.


On that note, I agree with you.
 

nRollo

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I'm skeptical of this review:

In the UT anti-aliasing tests, the 5900 falls behind both its chief competitors, earning 130 fps (using 4X anti-aliasing, 8X anisotropic filtering), while the 5800 gets 138 (using 2X AA, 8X AF), and the 9800 gets 136 (using 4X AA, 8X AF)

Why would you quote a different setting for the 5800?

I have no doubt no 5900U isn't much faster than a Radeon9800, or a 5800U at lower levels of AA/AF, but the above deliberately misleads the reader.
 

Pete

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DTSS, posting entire articles verbatim isn't cool. Just link and provide either an excerpt or a summary in your own words.

Rollo, it is strange that PC World provides numbers with different settings, but I think it's because they don't have a 5800U anymore and they tested it at nVidia-recommended settings (2xAA for the 5800, 4x for the 5900). Potentially misleading, but it's only one line in the review.
 

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A new 5600 Ultra looks very appealing

Better take a look at these 5600U 400/400 racing sim benchmarks run by the French hardware site ?

hardware fr

A 4200 beat that 5600U in 4/5 of those benches.

I guess NV engineers haven?t had time to optimize, spending all their time on driver cheat/hacks.


 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: Blastman
A new 5600 Ultra looks very appealing

Better take a look at these 5600U 400/400 racing sim benchmarks run by the French hardware site ?

hardware fr

A 4200 beat that 5600U in 4/5 of those benches.

I guess NV engineers haven?t had time to optimize, spending all their time on driver cheat/hacks.

just out of curiosity what kind of card do you run and what is yer 3d2001 score?

 

Soulkeeper

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i also think the 5600 ultra is a promising card
i might be building an athlon gaming rig for someone next month

wonder how much the 5900 will drop prices on the rest of the geforce lines if at all


 
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Originally posted by: BFG10K
This thread must be caught in a time warp or something.

If so, wouldn't your handle be BFG9000?

DTSS - a couple points.

1) Posting entire articles and not links is dumb. Please stop.
2) Posting articles that are about a month old is even dumber. Stop.
3) Posting two ancient crusty articles in a short period of time engages Auto-Flame mode.

- M4H
 

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I like eating garlic...but thats beside the point
Isn't the AA engine of less quality?? ALso wouldn't the value FX 5900 be the better buy as u could try o/c it up to the ultra speeds (depending on how much slower the value is)
Also when is the FX 5900 Ultra 256MB meant to be availabe??
 

Megatomic

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The 256MB GF FX 5900 Ultra and 5600 Ultra will be available the first week of July according to an NVidia rep. I talked to at the AMD Tech Tour event last Thursday.
 

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That PCWorld is old and IMO not as good or accurate as Anands which show the FX performing much better with those same detail settings.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: Megatomic
You'd better be careful Tabb, the ATI police are on the lookout for anyone with anything good to say about NVidia products. I have even seen them attack nForce products.


On that note, I agree with you.

I have my ATI *badge* but I use an Nforce2 motherboard. Hmmmmmm....
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: Wurrmm
That PCWorld is old and IMO not as good or accurate as Anands which show the FX performing much better with those same detail settings.

Anands article is not 100% accurate, and is a preview. The final release card won't be the same. Some of the tests in anands preview, like Splinter Cell and Quake 3 are wrong, so don't make your opinion based on any numbers yet, especially not basing on Anands, because they're not really as great as you may think.
 
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