First Trinity Review.

[Centauri]

Yeah, I saw that. I haven't built a PC in years so the idea of overclocking a new-tech APU is pretty foreign to me.

Can I tinker with RAM speed, GPU speed and CPU multiplier all separately? If so, then in theory I could squeeze more performance out with faster RAM (2133MHz or so) and some tweaking of the GPU speed, without necessarily having to increase voltage or maybe even being able to take things down marginally?

Looking forward to seeing what kind of deals pop up on this stuff by the weekend...

 

[Centauri]

Looks like NewEgg is rolling things out; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113280

Still not searchable, nor can you find it through the product filter. Price looks nice for launch night though.

 

[meloz]

To me the funniest (sadest?) part of Anandtech review is this:

Overclocked to the max, and it still gets its ass kicked by a Pentium G850, of all things.

Now come the obligatory posts as to how "the CPU don't matter, it be all about the GPU." In which case you would be far better off keeping your 1-4 year old Intel processored PC, and adding a modern GPU card to it. And an SSD to boot.

 

[Hacp]

To me the funniest (sadest?) part of Anandtech review is this:

Overclocked to the max, and it still gets its ass kicked by a Pentium G850, of all things.

Now come the obligatory posts as to how "the CPU don't matter, it be all about the GPU." In which case you would be far better off keeping your 1-4 year old Intel processored PC, and adding a modern GPU card to it. And an SSD to boot.

Seems you're a bit off. It looks like the 5800K is ~450% faster than the i3 3220.

 

[Yuriman]

To me the funniest (sadest?) part of Anandtech review is this:

Overclocked to the max, and it still gets its ass kicked by a Pentium G850, of all things.

Now come the obligatory posts as to how "the CPU don't matter, it be all about the GPU." In which case you would be far better off keeping your 1-4 year old Intel processored PC, and adding a modern GPU card to it. And an SSD to boot.

It's not an ass-kicking, because the Pentium can't overclock.

Trinity doesn't look half bad, but I'm skeptical as to the niche it fills. If I were building a new PC for my dad or sister, I would probably opt for the i3 because of power consumption, because I wouldn't overclock their systems, and because they don't really play games. For myself (and in that budget) I'd go for the i3 as well because I game a good deal (and run emulators), and I would without a doubt add a discrete card in the future.

Still, for a bit less than the cost of an i3 you get a chip that, when overclocked, loses by about 20% in unthreaded tasks and wins by maybe 20% in stuff that can load all of its cores. If you want the iGPU and have a very restricted budget, it makes sense - ie HTPC, small form factor and no room for a discrete card. If you do a good deal of encoding... well, you might want the i3 for quicksync over the better multithreaded throughput of Trinity.

It's almost there, but overall Intel has a lot of well-placed products.

 

[AtenRa]

To me the funniest (sadest?) part of Anandtech review is this:

Overclocked to the max, and it still gets its ass kicked by a Pentium G850, of all things.

Now come the obligatory posts as to how "the CPU don't matter, it be all about the GPU." In which case you would be far better off keeping your 1-4 year old Intel processored PC, and adding a modern GPU card to it. And an SSD to boot.

Cherry picking must be the new Mantra for Intel Fanboys lately.

From all the graphs in the review you picked the most irrelevant, single thread performance in a Multithreaded application that uses Intel's Compilers.

 

[meloz]

Seems you're a bit off. It looks like the 5800K is ~450% faster than the i3 3220.

Will this finally put some pressure on Intel to stop crippling their lower priced CPUs? Let us hope so. Excerpt from the article:

Speaking of artificial product segmentation, one major feature Intel takes away when you get down to the dual-core desktop i3 level is AES-NI support. Hardware accelerated AES support is something that you get only with the more expensive Core i5/i7s. With Trinity, you get AES-NI support for the entire stack.

 

[Hacp]

It's not an ass-kicking, because the Pentium can't overclock.

Trinity doesn't look half bad, but I'm skeptical as to the niche it fills. If I were building a new PC for my dad or sister, I would probably opt for the i3 because of power consumption, because I wouldn't overclock their systems, and because they don't really play games.

There is a 65watt Trinity if you want that.

For myself (and in that budget) I'd go for the i3 as well because I game a good deal (and run emulators), and I would without a doubt add a discrete card in the future.

Trinity is not the right platform for you then. Wait for piledriver.

If you do a good deal of encoding... well, you might want the i3 for quicksync over the better multithreaded throughput of Trinity.

Except for the fact that quicksync isn't supported by many programs, while AMD has OpenCL acceleration support of x264(the most popular encoder).

 

[Gikaseixas]

ST performance still sucks, MT performance is actually decent but is not a huge win over Llano and IGP is excellent, it allows the casual gamer to play a few games. As for the overclock, well 4.4 with the stock HSF is not a bad but cpu performance is not that much higher, you gotta buy a better cooler solution to push it further.

 

[ViRGE]

Except for the fact that quicksync isn't supported by many programs, while AMD has OpenCL acceleration support of x264(the most popular encoder).

Wouldn't the better comparison be VCE? OpenCL doesn't involve offloading the whole encode process, so that's remarkably different from a fixed-function (and low power) encoder like QuickSync or VCE. And for that matter is the OpenCL version of Handbrake even out yet?

 

[Hacp]

Wouldn't the better comparison be VCE? OpenCL doesn't involve offloading the whole encode process, so that's remarkably different from a fixed-function (and low power) encoder like QuickSync or VCE. And for that matter is the OpenCL version of Handbrake even out yet?

If the fixed-functions aren't supported by the software developers, why even mention them? x264 support for OpenCL has been announced as on its way. No mention of quicksync being supported by x264 at all. Remember Nvidia Cuda and all hits hype? Nothing came of it because applications didn't support it.

 

[ViRGE]

If the fixed-functions aren't supported by the software developers, why even mention them? x264 support for OpenCL has been announced as on its way. No mention of quicksync being supported by x264 at all. Remember Nvidia Cuda and all hits hype? Nothing came of it because applications didn't support it.

But (and this is the key point), nothing supports VCE either. VCE is AMD's equivalent of QuickSync, not OpenCL software.

Meanwhile once it finally ships (and all indications are it won't be any time soon ), the OpenCL version of Handbrake will run on any OpenCL device, including Intel's processors.

 

[Dark Shroud]

To me the funniest (sadest?) part of Anandtech review is this:

Overclocked to the max, and it still gets its ass kicked by a Pentium G850, of all things.

Now come the obligatory posts as to how "the CPU don't matter, it be all about the GPU." In which case you would be far better off keeping your 1-4 year old Intel processored PC, and adding a modern GPU card to it. And an SSD to boot.

And how many games use single threads again?

 

[Hacp]

But (and this is the key point), nothing supports VCE either. VCE is AMD's equivalent of QuickSync, not OpenCL software.

I agree. I don't think VCE or Quicksync are relevant at all.

Meanwhile once it finally ships (and all indications are it won't be any time soon ), the OpenCL version of Handbrake will run on any OpenCL device, including Intel's processors.

This is true as well. However, I'm not so sure it will support the HD graphics of the intel chips. This is a win for the Trinity platform and what it represents. Trinity is for the customer who wants a well rounded package for a budget. Piledriver is meant for the folk who are more interested in dedicated video.

What is Trinity's target customer? Someone who plays minecraft, world of warcraft, league of legends, guild wars 2, Starcraft 2/Diablo 3 and similar games. These are some of the most popular games today and Trinity's IGP will run them.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Intel IGPs do not run OpenCL, that is done on the CPU cores. That's why you can see the higher end Intel chips smoke the APUs at OpenCL.

This is around where I expected these to be, going strong against the i3. I'll be building some systems or buying laptops with the new A10s in them for a few family members. They're not gamers to the chips will be perfect for them.

I look forward to real gaming bench marks. I want to see how BF3 will do on the CPU side.

 

[AtenRa]

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2047/1/
http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/amd-trinity-a10-5800k-review/

 

[AtenRa]

Nice Crossfire scaling with the HD6670

http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/amd-trinity-a10-5800k-review/14/

 

[ShintaiDK]

And how many games use single threads again?

99.99% or so

Also it would be the same case in dualthreaded, maybe even alittle worse due to the penalty of modules and turbo. So single+dualthreaded. Now you are basicly left with a handful of games if you want more than 2 threads. Not exactly alot of apps too, same case goes there.

 

[classy]

Its sad to see a company who had finally reached the mountain top, just fall off a cliff.

 

[DeeDot78]

pure overclock is one of few sites that compared it with comparable i3, not something out of it price range(why would legit review compare A10 to 3770K?). It did decent. I hope that Visehara Desktop fares better.

 

[LogOver]

Very low energy efficiency (as expected)

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-trinity-efficiency,3315-11.html

In watt-hours, an overclocked A10-5800K uses almost twice as much power as a Core i3-3225 to complete the same workloads. Enthusiasts in AMD’s camp are going to look at those numbers and claim they don’t care about a marginally-higher power (the light bulbs on either side of your garage, together, probably use as much power), so long as they get usable 3D performance, while the cool-and-quiet crowd will remind us that a 100 W APU requires more cooling. That could mean a faster-spinning fan or a larger heat sink. Either way, that piece of logic that shifts balance from x86 performance to graphics alacrity is going to cost you.

 

[LogOver]

Intel IGPs do not run OpenCL

Are you sure?

 

[piesquared]

So it looks like Trinity is in pretty good shape. Incredible value, AMD will sell Millions of these chips. And then that sets the stage for Kaveri.

 

[Phynaz]

Incredible value, AMD will sell Millions of these chips.

Yes, they will. Even tens of millions.

Walmart also sells millions of cheap Chinese products. Please don't confuse quantity with quality.

 

[piesquared]

Yes, they will. Even tens of millions.

Walmart also sells millions of cheap Chinese products. Please don't confuse quantity with quality.

They also sell millions of cheap inetl products.

Here's a tip for ya: don't [redact] your shorts, cover while you still can.

We've had enough of your potty mouth. I'm installing a ball gag for the next 3 days.
-ViRGE