First Vick, then DMX

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
"...And it's not punishment that is the point really, it's keeping society safe, so that tactic FAILS. "


Incorrect. In America, prison is for punishment, nothing else. Nothing.

Wrong. How can you even say this? Prison is a money making industry, that's what it is for: money. It can sometimes be for vengeance as well, people want an eye for an eye.

 

[theeedude]

The idiot Sheriff was just on TV bragging about how he is treating those dogs better than his inmates. Disgusting.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: senseamp
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Sheriff Joe Arpaio who prides himself on keeping his inmates in inhumane conditions is complaining about pit bulls being held in inhumane conditions.

Nope. Inmates deserve it, innocent dogs don't.

Except that inmates have constitutional protection against cruel and unusual punishment. Dogs have none.

It's not about the dogs as much as it is about the behaivour of the people who would treat a defenseless animal like this. Entertainment just isn't a good reason to kill a dog, let alone put him in a pit and make him fight another dog to the death.

Animal control kills animals simply because there are too many of them. What's the harm in some being killed for entertainment?

Exactly, torturing animals is a lot of fun and entertaining. Show your kids the fun and joy of torturing and killing animals inside the comfort of your home. Household items can be use to kill dogs slowly, while blood oozing out, oh what fun is that when family gathers to kill animals, cut them open so their guts and brain matters spill out into living room! Better yet, instead of watching movie with your date, teach her how to kill animals with her bare hand as she squeeze the internal organs out of animals.

*sick bastard*

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN :roll:
He was fighting these dogs on his private property, not in a school yard.
How about hunting? You think teaching your children to kill unsuspecting animals from a distance is OK? At least these dogs got a chance to fight for their lives.

 

[ultra laser]

Dogs are some of the most intelligent animals on the planet. They're wonderful companions and at my house our dog is part of the family. That anyone would willingly harm them is disturbing. Moreover, these dogs were chained in a yard with no interaction, and then when they were old enough, put to the test. Those that failed to show aggression towards other dogs were tortured and killed. I do not see how this is in any way comparable to deer hunting--something men still like to do because it has been ingrained into them throughout centuries of having to hunt to live.

 

[theeedude]

You are entitled to love your dogs and treat them as family, they are your property. But what you want to do is tell others how to treat their dogs, just because it's disturbing to you. The fact is that it's not harming any person, and it's none of your business. There are a lot of things that are tasteless, but like the saying goes, there is no accounting for taste.
Pigs are also very intelligent. Doesn't stop us from raising them in very confined quarters and chopping them up for bacon.
Plus has it occurred to you that it's perfectly natural for dogs to fight in the wild to establish who is the dominant male.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Kntx
They're dogs. If dumbasses want to fight them, let it be so. Free country.

no its not.

 

[IGBT]

..and to think most of you's look up to ilk like this. buy their rap crap and pay to see em play.

 

[manowar821]

Stupid beefcake asshole americans love tough dogs....? I'm not entirely surprised that pricks like these people do this crap.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: senseamp
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Sheriff Joe Arpaio who prides himself on keeping his inmates in inhumane conditions is complaining about pit bulls being held in inhumane conditions.

Nope. Inmates deserve it, innocent dogs don't.

Except that inmates have constitutional protection against cruel and unusual punishment. Dogs have none.

It's not about the dogs as much as it is about the behaivour of the people who would treat a defenseless animal like this. Entertainment just isn't a good reason to kill a dog, let alone put him in a pit and make him fight another dog to the death.

Animal control kills animals simply because there are too many of them. What's the harm in some being killed for entertainment?

Animal control kills the animals it can't place in a humane way, but putting animals in a pit to tear each other apart for no other reason then spectator entertainment isn't a valid comparison in either method or reason.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
It's been a common thing in Britain for a long time, especially in Brixton, they use these dogs as weapons.

Sad part is that these dogs do not discriminate, man, woman or child, they attack for fun, it's what the race was created to do.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/pro...s/panorama/6962563.stm

google sumotorrent or something if u want to see the program

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: senseamp
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Sheriff Joe Arpaio who prides himself on keeping his inmates in inhumane conditions is complaining about pit bulls being held in inhumane conditions.

Nope. Inmates deserve it, innocent dogs don't.

Except that inmates have constitutional protection against cruel and unusual punishment. Dogs have none.

Not to completely derail this thread... But Sherriff Arpaio and his unique way of dealing with inmates en masse did not come on the scene last week. He's been doing this for a while now. I'm sure there have been many court actions brought against his office about "cruel and unusual" punishment. I don't recall any of them sticking.

That said... He's not starving them. He's not making them fight to the death for his entertainment. They have access to medical facilities should they need them. That doesn't seem even remotely like the conditions these dogs were kept in. Pretty big leap if you ask me.

The bigger leap is equating a human life and a dog's life. Of course prisoners have better facilities. They SHOULD have better facilities.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: senseamp
You are entitled to love your dogs and treat them as family, they are your property. But what you want to do is tell others how to treat their dogs, just because it's disturbing to you. The fact is that it's not harming any person, and it's none of your business. There are a lot of things that are tasteless, but like the saying goes, there is no accounting for taste.
Pigs are also very intelligent. Doesn't stop us from raising them in very confined quarters and chopping them up for bacon.
Plus has it occurred to you that it's perfectly natural for dogs to fight in the wild to establish who is the dominant male.

There are worse things than death. Being tortured to death springs immediately to mind.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: senseamp
You are entitled to love your dogs and treat them as family, they are your property. But what you want to do is tell others how to treat their dogs, just because it's disturbing to you. The fact is that it's not harming any person, and it's none of your business. There are a lot of things that are tasteless, but like the saying goes, there is no accounting for taste.
Pigs are also very intelligent. Doesn't stop us from raising them in very confined quarters and chopping them up for bacon.

Plus has it occurred to you that it's perfectly natural for dogs to fight in the wild to establish who is the dominant male.

The strawman is strong in this one...

 

[daveymark]

time to have my dog urinate/defacate/chew on some DMX cd's and sell them on ebay

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Sheriff Joe Arpaio who prides himself on keeping his inmates in inhumane conditions is complaining about pit bulls being held in inhumane conditions.

Whats wrong with living in tents, in a desert? Many people do it in the world, including our own troops.

I look at it this way, if you don't want to live in his tent city then don't do the crime. Its as simple as that.

I agree that criminals need shelter, but doesn't have to be air conditioned - heated yes.
food, bread and water works.
sanitary toliet areas

other than that they need NOTHING. No TV, no Magazines, nothing. Nothing about doing time should be made more comfortable than it has to be

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: senseamp
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Sheriff Joe Arpaio who prides himself on keeping his inmates in inhumane conditions is complaining about pit bulls being held in inhumane conditions.

Nope. Inmates deserve it, innocent dogs don't.

They do? so you go out on a friday night and have to kick some arse because somone attacks you and then you deserve inhumane treatment?

You want to breed murderers, that is the way to do it. You can't keep them in inhumane conditions and then let them out.

They will commit much worse crimes when they are let free after that.

And it's not punishment that is the point really, it's keeping society safe, so that tactic FAILS.

First, if someone attacks you it comes to reason you won't get charged, but I'll let you keep your stupid strawman.

Second, then put them down. We put down bad animals, why not people unfit to live in society? Oh, I forgot... its against their rights. Their right to kill and terrorize is greater than ours to live in safety

Third, if they commit more or worse crimes then DON'T LET THEM OUT! How hard is that?

It has to be punishment else it won't work. Thats whats wrong with the current system, its so damn nice that many see it as a mini vacation (I know, I have two whacked relatives who think jail time is no big thing)

 

[piasabird]

pitb bulls are not innocent dogs, they are viscious animals. It should be noted they are often the weapon of choice of many drug dealers. Helps to keep most people off their property.

 

[jonks]

Funny how you don't hear stories about nice middle and upper class families with pitt bulls that they raised ever getting killed by them, and it's always the dogs living in less than ideal situations or those that were abused and made to be mean that attack.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Funny how you don't hear stories about nice middle and upper class families with pitt bulls that they raised ever getting killed by them, and it's always the dogs living in less than ideal situations or those that were abused and made to be mean that attack.

Its the mindset of these people. There are too many people who have pitbulls because it makes them feel tough. They are probably the last people I would want to have any animal around them, let alone as pets.

I don't believe any dog is by breed inclined to be overty vicious. Now some breeds are inherently more protective of what they deem as their turf, which includes property, person, and other animals. My mother raises Shih Tzu, quite a few are in house holds with larger dogs, including at least one pit bull. From what I have gathered the pit bull defers to the Shih Tzu but at the same time keeps him safe. I have seen that with other large dogs. Dogs learn their position in the family structure from the owners. If they see that the small dog is treated nicely by the owners they in turn do so.

One of the best ways to have good dogs is not to sell/place them until they are 12 weeks or older. This gives them much more time to adjust than placing them at 6 weeks which many breeders do. I have seen bad "small dogs" as well as bad "big dogs" and in most cases they weren't given time to mature before being placed or worse, at a young age went to homes where no one was around most of the day to get them acclimated.

If its a vicious or over reactive pit bull it was by design of the owners. Domesticated animals will live peacefully with other animals in the same area unless given reason not to.

 

[compuwiz1]

Typically, there would be no bad dogs, just bad owners, but the exception to this, IMO, is that Pits have been tainted by the ways they have been bred and raised...which is to fight. That makes them inherently more prone to be vicious killers. Some of the fault lies in the bloodlines.

People have a responsibility to not perpetuate this behavior, but yet they still do. That is the thing that angers me to no end. Penalties need to be harsh. The irony is when one of these staunch defenders of Pit Bulls, suddenly has one of his own attacked, injured, or killed.

 

[Vonkhan]

Originally posted by: senseamp
The idiot Sheriff was just on TV bragging about how he is treating those dogs better than his inmates. Disgusting.

:thumbsup: to the Sheriff ... I hope u get to spend a few days in his jail

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: senseamp
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Sheriff Joe Arpaio who prides himself on keeping his inmates in inhumane conditions is complaining about pit bulls being held in inhumane conditions.

Nope. Inmates deserve it, innocent dogs don't.

Except that inmates have constitutional protection against cruel and unusual punishment. Dogs have none.

Please....I hardly call wearing pink jumpers and living in tents cruel and unusual punishment. The country needs many more Joe Arpaio's.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: piasabird
pitb bulls are not innocent dogs, they are viscious animals. It should be noted they are often the weapon of choice of many drug dealers. Helps to keep most people off their property.

Agreed. I mean, the breed is untrainable killers. They're like wild animals. Evidence:

http://www.vidmax.com/index.php/videos/view/2973

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: piasabird
pitb bulls are not innocent dogs, they are viscious animals. It should be noted they are often the weapon of choice of many drug dealers. Helps to keep most people off their property.

Agreed. I mean, the breed is untrainable killers. They're like wild animals. Evidence:

http://www.vidmax.com/index.php/videos/view/2973

That lion was looking for a vein, and when he didn't get it, he succumed to mere petting.