First welistened to Bush,then Priests,Cops,Then Lawyers,now MGas Meter Readers

[Jokersmoker]

(First time Joker swears)
Warning this will make you mad:

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/23/meter-man’s-killing-of-poodle-justified/?iref=allsearch

This is double disturbing. First those "detectives" blow off story about the incident,and second the OBVIOUS formatted excuses by the employee AND the gas company. When I was a little younger I had a dog,chained in my backyard and some little prick would cut through to get to school. The little bastard would tease my dog and run through causing the dog insufferable grief. One day my little dacshound gnawed through her collar and when Mr. Tease came by ,he got a little surprise. Moments later we received a call from an "alarmed" parent worried about our dog having her shots. To whit we replied "Has your kid had his?" I am sure there are fucking lawyers in the group who will spiel about property law,kids rights, poor little innocent momma's boys that would justify the euthanasia of the animal for being a "menace to society". For you I have one thing to say. It's a good thing I didnt catch him! Finally a little connosol( I'm not sure of the spelling) There was a decade ago some little punks breaking into houses in Hamilton Ontario in the middle of the night. When caught they immediately became barrackroom lawyers and litarally told the homeowners you cant hold me, touch me, or charge me.Worked up to one night when they were greeted with a shotgun,oops there goes that defence!

Jokersmoker

 

[Nikamichi]

This line said it all:

Newman said her husband, who went to retrieve the pet, was told by the meter reader “something’s wrong with your dog.”

He hit the dog hard enough to fracture it's skull, sending into convulsions and from that statement, seemed to play coy about what exactly happened. Shameful.

 

[guyver01]

meh... when you're a dog owner... you need to take precautions..

An animal control officer from OC Animal Care, and two officers from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department determined the meter reader was justified in hitting the toy poodle. “They determined that the dog was off its property and acting aggressively towards the gas company person and he took a single defensive action to prevent the dog from biting him and unfortunately resulting in the dog passing away,”

Everyone thinks their dog wont do harm to anyone...

Its not until the dog attacks that you know what it's capable of.

just because its a "toy poodle" doesn't mean it cant get aggressive... wont rush... wont attack.

 

[Nikamichi]

meh... when you're a dog owner... you need to take precautions..

True. But, even a defensive kick would've done less damage. He hit the dog with a metal rod. When used against a person, that could be considered deadly force. His actions showed malicious intent, IMO.

 

[guyver01]

True. But, even a defensive kick would've done less damage. He hit the dog with a metal rod. When used against a person, that could be considered deadly force. His actions showed malicious intent, IMO.

no... his actions show defensive intent.

he used what force he thought was necessary to defend himself. he would have no way of knowing what too much force for a toy poodle would be.


if you rushed me to attack.. and i have a baseball bat.. i will swing with the full force i'm capable of to defend myself... i will not pull my swing...

in an "attack"... it's you or me... and i will do what i can to make sure it's not me.

even a defensive kick would've done less damage. .

How do we know... these workmen probably use steel-toe'd boots... if he took a defensive kick.. it coulda caved in the dogs skull... crushed its ribs.... he's not gonna kick like he's kicking a balloon.. hes gonna kick like he's playing kickball... he's defending himself.

 

[Nikamichi]

no... his actions show defensive intent.

he used what force he thought was necessary to defend himself. he would have no way of knowing what too much force for a toy poodle would be.


if you rushed me to attack.. and i have a baseball bat.. i will swing with the full force i'm capable of to defend myself... i will not pull my swing...

in an "attack"... it's you or me... and i will do what i can to make sure it's not me.



How do we know... these workmen probably use steel-toe'd boots... if he took a defensive kick.. it coulda caved in the dogs skull... crushed its ribs.... he's not gonna kick like he's kicking a balloon.. hes gonna kick like he's playing kickball... he's defending himself.

If you were to engage in a physical confrontation with someone (who was unarmed) and used a baseball bat to defend yourself, you'd most likely be looking at criminal charges. Criminal law allows necessary and non-deadly force to protect oneself when there is reasonable belief that unlawful force will be used against him.

A 6lb dog, barking to protect it's territory, is by no means using unlawful force. Using a metal rod against that dog would most certainly be considered deadly force, because after all, the dog died.

 

[dabanow]

he used what force he thought was necessary to defend himself. he would have no way of knowing what too much force for a toy poodle would be.

Defend yourself against a 6 lb. toy poodle?? Are you kidding me?

 

[guyver01]

Defend yourself against a 6 lb. toy poodle?? Are you kidding me?

no.. not kidding.

obviously you've never seen, or encountered, a person who was deathly afraid of dogs.

what may be an irrational action to you and me... would not be uncommon to them.

there's always 3 sides to the story. his side... their side... and the truth.

just cuz it's a toy poodle.. doesn't mean it cant get aggressive.

 

[broon]

no.. not kidding.

obviously you've never seen, or encountered, a person who was deathly afraid of dogs.

what may be an irrational action to you and me... would not be uncommon to them.

there's always 3 sides to the story. his side... their side... and the truth.

just cuz it's a toy poodle.. doesn't mean it cant get aggressive.

Makes me think of the South Park episode where they go hunting. The rabbit was coming straight for me so I shot it.

 

[guyver01]

If you were to engage in a physical confrontation with someone (who was unarmed) and used a baseball bat to defend yourself, you'd most likely be looking at criminal charges. Criminal law allows necessary and non-deadly force to protect oneself when there is reasonable belief that unlawful force will be used against him.

A 6lb dog, barking to protect it's territory, is by no means using unlawful force. Using a metal rod against that dog would most certainly be considered deadly force, because after all, the dog died.

Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.


If the meter reader had a fear of dogs... and saw this dog attacking as intent to cause great bodily harm... you could argue that the use of force wasn't excessive.

 

[broon]

Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.


If the meter reader had a fear of dogs... and saw this dog attacking as intent to cause great bodily harm... you could argue that the use of force wasn't excessive.

And if the meter reader had a fear of clowns...and a clown approached him in what he perceived to be a threatening manner...could he kill the clown?

 

[guyver01]

And if the meter reader had a fear of clowns...and a clown approached him in what he perceived to be a threatening manner...could he kill the clown?

i bet you could find a shrink who would argue that his fear of clowns made him believe that he was in mortal danger... and a lawyer who could get him off on this.

never doubt the power of a phobia to make a rational person act irrationally.

aye

 

[Nikamichi]

Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.


If the meter reader had a fear of dogs... and saw this dog attacking as intent to cause great bodily harm... you could argue that the use of force wasn't excessive.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that although you may seem to be playing devil's advocate, you actually have an innate fear of toy dogs. It makes more sense since you obviously can relate with who you perceive to be the victim, the meter man.

I say this, because you have yet to make a distinction about the size of the dog. You speak generally about it, and theorize that perhaps the man had a fear of dogs, regardless of size.

 

[Nikamichi]

i bet you could find a shrink who would argue that his fear of clowns made him believe that he was in mortal danger... and a lawyer who could get him off on this.

never doubt the power of a phobia to make a rational person act irrationally.

aye

Phobias aren't typically used as defenses in court, rather insanity is almost always used as a blanket term to cover peoples' asses.

 

[guyver01]

I say this, because you have yet to make a distinction about the size of the dog. You speak generally about it, and theorize that perhaps the man had a fear of dogs, regardless of size.

nope... not correct.... no fear of dogs.

i had two small dogs myself... Bichon Frise..

anyone who tells you small dogs cannot be aggressive... has never been around small dogs. i have seen first hand what a small dog can do when they feel threatened.

My GF has two big dogs.... a Black Lab... and a BullDog... they're the calmest, tamest things you'd ever seen... the bulldog even ran away from a squirrel once.

size is not necessarily an indicator of aggression.

 

[guyver01]

Phobias aren't typically used as defenses in court, rather insanity is almost always used as a blanket term to cover peoples' asses.

yup... temporary insanity.

 

[Nikamichi]

nope... not correct.... no fear of dogs.

i had two small dogs myself... Bichon Frise..

anyone who tells you small dogs cannot be aggressive... has never been around small dogs. i have seen first hand what a small dog can do when they feel threatened.

My GF has two big dogs.... a Black Lab... and a BullDog... they're the calmest, tamest things you'd ever seen... the bulldog even ran away from a squirrel once.

size is not necessarily an indicator of aggression.

You're right, size is not necessarily an indicator of aggression. But, more often than not, it can indicate how much force needs to be used to protect oneself from a dangerous situation. If a dog that weighs 100+ lbs charges at you vs. a dog that weighs less than 10lbs, you're obviously going to expect to use more force to protect yourself from the larger dog. It's common sense. Now, if someone said that the force they would use would be equal, then I'd just say there was something wrong with them.

 

[guyver01]

Now, if someone said that the force they would use would be equal, then I'd just say there was something wrong with them.

which is why i mentioned phobia... im willing to bet the meter reader had a phobia of dogs... he went into an instict based reaction... not realizing what happened.... i base this on the following comment in the article:

King said the meter reader has not been disciplined. “From what I heard he is very upset and feels very badly about what occurred,” she said. “Our sympathies go out to the pet owners.”

 

[Nikamichi]

which is why i mentioned phobia... im willing to bet the meter reader had a phobia of dogs... he went into an instict based reaction... not realizing what happened.... i base this on the following comment in the article:

Well, there could be reasons other than phobia that might explain his overuse of force. Phobia isn't the only thing that clouds the mind's ability to make a good judgment. He could have been having a bad day, heck, he could even dislike dogs. Wouldn't that be surprising?

Sure, maybe he does feels bad, but I'd wager it's because he realizes that hes caused a great heartache to the family.

 

[TridenT]

guyver is a troll dude... why haven't you realized this yet?

 

[guyver01]

He could have been having a bad day, heck, he could even dislike dogs. Wouldn't that be surprising?

Sure, maybe he does feels bad, but I'd wager it's because he realizes that hes caused a great heartache to the family.

True... i'll give ya that.... unfortunately we will never know the "truth"

 

[Nikamichi]

guyver is a troll dude... why haven't you realized this yet?

I've been on these forums since '01. At nearly 3:20am, I'm merely here to entertain myself.

 

[guyver01]

Trident is a troll dude... Everyone knows this

fixed for ya.

 

[TridenT]

I've been on these forums since '01. At nearly 3:20am, I'm merely here to entertain myself.

Mkaayyyyy!

I'm going to bed though. Have fun.

 

[BoomerD]

guyver is a troll dude... why haven't you realized this yet?

Tridentboy calling someone else a troll?

That's golden.