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spidey07

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so another question...

i lost a lot of line last weekend and need more line.

i'm looking to get some good quality line this time and not go cheap. the line i had prior was like $7 for a spool, some type of spider web brand with a purple box.

i'm going to be going after small and large mouth bass primarily, so i'm thinking like 8-12lb test maybe. but as far as brand stuff goes, what do you recommend?

also, i simply tie my hook to the line. i've been having pretty successful results with that but is using a leader line preferred?

thanks.

Ho-boy, you're opening a big can of worms about what line to use.

1) Yes, always tie your lure/hook directly, never use leaders unless you need to. Now I'm talking about the pre-packaged leaders with clips/swivels, unless you're going for a muskie/pike or something you need a steel leader on, avoid. The lure and feel won't work.

2) A "real" leader. This would be used with the line of your choice to your hook/lure and then joined to your main line either directly or with a swivel. The purpose of this leader is so the fish don't see your line, you MUST use a leader with braid or other high strength/low flex line, fish can see that. I prefer a direct uni knot to join leader/mainline, every guide fishing I've been on that's what they use.

For what you're doing, stick to 8 or 10 pound mono or flurocarbon, don't mess with fancy line, you don't need to. We've pulled in many a 25+ pound fish on 12 pound mono (12 pound is for big fish, you'll have a tough time even breaking it). I'd suggest you try some 8 pound flurocarbon because it has great feel and little stretch.

Oh, and respool your reels at least once a season. I believe I even posted in this thread that line color matters, it does.

Really, for what you're doing...keep it simple stupid (KISS)
 
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Chaotic42

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I will always use a mono/fluro leader with spiderwire. The line is great, you can yank a 50 pound fish outta the water with it no problem, but fish can see it and you'll get less bite.

True. I really need to emphasize that all of my fishing experience is in very murky water.
 

spidey07

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True. I really need to emphasize that all of my fishing experience is in very murky water.

Heh, you get hung with 20 pound spiderwire...you are NOT breaking that line nor are you going to cut it with fingernail clippers. Out comes the knife. I do a lot of guide fishing and from what they say, they've tried them all and go back to mono or flurocarbon to the hook, really depends on what you're going for. Big fish? Mono has a nice stretch, under 8 pound bass? flurocarbon, practically invisible but it sinks.

Now if you're trying to yank a bass outta the muck? spiderwire/braid with a 10 pound mono leader tied directly to mainline. If there's no chance of the fish seeing the line, yank that 7 pound pig right outta the muck and into the boat with straight spiderwire.
 
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purbeast0

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ok so i think when i go to the store i'll find something that is the mono/fluro.

i had no clue spiderwire made so many different types of line. the only ones they had at the sports authority i went to was the cheapo stuff that was like $7. but the sports authority near me has a really shitty fishing department.
 

Chaotic42

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Heh, you get hung with 20 pound spiderwire...you are NOT breaking that line nor are you going to cut it with fingernail clippers. Out comes the knife. I do a lot of guide fishing and from what they say, they've tried them all.

Now if you're trying to yank a bass outta the muck? spiderwire/braid with a 10 pound mono leader tied directly to mainline. If there's no chance of the fish seeing the line, yank that 7 pound pig right outta the muck and into the boat with straight spiderwire.

Heh, the last time I got really hung up on something was on the Pearl River. Without thinking I reached way down into the water to unhook the line. Moments later a water mocassin swam up near the boat.

Yeah, use a knife.
 

purbeast0

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i'm pretty sure i know the answer to this question but want to ask it anyway...

the quality and type of line can effect the distance you can cast pretty dramatically correct? and like the smoothness of the line going out?
 

spidey07

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i'm pretty sure i know the answer to this question but want to ask it anyway...

the quality and type of line can effect the distance you can cast pretty dramatically correct? and like the smoothness of the line going out?

Not a whole lot IMHO. Distance is more the rod and technique with the lure weight, smoothness is tied to that as well but more the reel. Who cares how far you can cast, can you hit the spot you want? I can load up a 1oz lure on a medium 7 foot pole with a baitcaster and out drive Tiger Woods, but that's worthless to me hitting where I want like a bucket.

mmmm, smooth Curado reel with flurocarbon...mmmmm....butter. There's a reason 3 of my poles have that on them.
 

GuitarDaddy

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i'm pretty sure i know the answer to this question but want to ask it anyway...

the quality and type of line can effect the distance you can cast pretty dramatically correct? and like the smoothness of the line going out?


You can cast a little further with lighter line, and of course with lighter line your reel will hold more line.

I like to use as light a line as I can get away with because the feel is usually better. For most bass fishing 8-10lb is perfect IMO. However if im fishing in brushy areas with lots of underwater stumps, logs and brush I use a heavier line. The reason for that is if you hook a large bass on light line it requires that you play the fish and let him take some line which is OK in an open water environment but back in the stumps that usually means he wraps you up and you lose the fish. When fishing for the lunkers in brushy areas you want 20-25lb test and a big stiff rod so you can bulldog that bad boy straight to the boat.


As far as lures my #1 bass getter in most all seasons and conditions is the texas rigged worm in purple or black, the more flouresent colors seem to work well in spring and early summer. With that said there is a time and place for many different baits, crank baits and spinners work very well in shallow water during spawning season.

There is no substitute for local knowledge, make friends with the folks that run the marina or fishing lodge. Keep up with the fishing reports throughout the year for your favorite lakes and locations. Fish hang at different locations and different depths depending on the season, water temperature, and even time of day. And they may hit one type of bait at a certain time of day like dawn and totally ignore it at other times. My old man would go as far as making friends with a guide at every lake we frequented, he would keep in touch with them through out the year, send them christmas cards and bring gifts when we visited the lake and they would always tell us the hot spots and when the fish were hitting and what bait to use.

I've found it helpful over the years to keep detailed notes of my successes. Record season, location, time of day, depth where you got on the fish and of course the bait that worked best. Do this for a few years at you favorite lakes and you will be amazed at how successful you can be. I learned this from my dad, I can't tell you how many times we would come in with a boat full of fish when everyone else at the marina were coming up empty.

And once you find the best times of day to fish use your time wisely and efficiently. On many occasions the best fishing is the first few hours after dawn and the last few hours before dusk, this is especially true in the summer time. Fishing in the middle of the day in summer is usually a waste, time better spent napping at the lodge^_^

Another successful trait my old man taught me was to maximize the time the bait is in the prime location. He was what I would call a "mad caster" if he was fishing a target area along a brushline he would cast right up to the edge then work the bait through the 10'-12' prime area he was targeting then haul it back to the boat very quickly and cast again. This would mean he would throw 3 or 4 times the amount of casts as someone who worked the bait all the way to the boat. But it also meant his bait was in the prime target area 3 or 4 times more than the other guy.
 

stinkynathan

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EDIT 11-28-2011

so another question...

i lost a lot of line last weekend and need more line.

i'm looking to get some good quality line this time and not go cheap. the line i had prior was like $7 for a spool, some type of spider web brand with a purple box.

i'm going to be going after small and large mouth bass primarily, so i'm thinking like 8-12lb test maybe. but as far as brand stuff goes, what do you recommend?

also, i simply tie my hook to the line. i've been having pretty successful results with that but is using a leader line preferred?

thanks.

I use PowerPro braid on nearly all of my rods. Spinning, casting, and trolling. I fish for a lot of walleye and smallmouth in Wisconsin and walleye in South Dakota when I get the chance.

Why braid?
1. It's very limp. Great for casting.
2. Its diameter is less than an equal pound-test monofilament line. My trolling rigs dive deeper for the same amount of line out. It's nice to get a few more feet out of some plugs without having to use snap weights.
3. Very resilient. This is huge for me. I fish smallmouth in some pretty gnarly stuff. Big rocks, stumps fields, brush...that's the kind of stuff that can eat mono line all day. If I snag a tube in some rocks/trees I can usually just jerk it free. If not I'll troll to the other side of the rock and pull free. Sometimes I end up pulling a big branch off the bottom. Better/faster than losing rigs and having to retie all the time, especially when I'm pulling plugs at 1.5 SOG with $7 lures. I don't respool every year. I respool when I run low on line.
4. Sensitivity and lack of stretch. I can feel every little rock when I'm pulling craws over gravel. Braid can give you the feel of a more expensive rod than you actually have. That said, you DO need to be aware of your drag settings. I've nearly lost trolling combos from rod holders after snagging when I didn't have the drag set loose enough.

Some people swear by using a mono/flouro leader with braids. I've never really worried about it. I haven't found not using flouro leaders to affect the number of fish I catch. Plus adding the mono leader adds another knot to your line and the one you need (uni-to-uni) can be tricky to tie in a hurry or on a windy day.
 

stinkynathan

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Not a whole lot IMHO. Distance is more the rod and technique with the lure weight, smoothness is tied to that as well but more the reel. Who cares how far you can cast, can you hit the spot you want? I can load up a 1oz lure on a medium 7 foot pole with a baitcaster and out drive Tiger Woods, but that's worthless to me hitting where I want like a bucket.

mmmm, smooth Curado reel with flurocarbon...mmmmm....butter. There's a reason 3 of my poles have that on them.

I think there CAN be a difference. Try casting a 1/2 oz. weight on 10# Trilene XT, then trying casting that same weight on the same rig spooled with 10# XL. You will notice a difference.

There probably isn't too much difference between the XL-type lines and braids, though. Certainly not at the distances most people are casting.
 

purbeast0

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just bumping this because it's that time of year again!

just went and bought all this shit to use next weekend...

http://i.imgur.com/RI88V.jpg?1

i've never tried these tube lures but i'm interested in trying them out now. my buddy has been having luck with them the past few weeks. i went out last week and only caught 1 small mouth bass using rubber worms texas rigged. so it'll be fun to try these out!
 

Chaotic42

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It's been way too windy around here on the weekends to do any fishing. It's starting to get too hot too. Stupid weather.
 

spidey07

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I finally broke down and bought a reel spooling rig.

Best money ever spent. Respooled 10 reels in 2 hours.
 

purbeast0

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yea i could have used one of those. took me a good half hour to respool mine just now by myself. think i may have put a little too much line on as it's like RIGHT at the edge of the reel, but i think it will be ok.
 

Ichinisan

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I went fishing at the local supermarket yesterday. Caught salmon, catfish, crab, and lobster...all with the same lure (green, paper).

Pretty successful fishing trip.
 

purbeast0

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I went fishing at the local supermarket yesterday. Caught salmon, catfish, crab, and lobster...all with the same lure (green, paper).

Pretty successful fishing trip.

sounds boring

when i fish i just catch and release personally. i was actually looking at buying some of the fish attractant scent stuff but after doing some research, it sounds like while you may get more hits with that stuff, fish tend to also swallow the hook when scented. i don't really want to deal with that since chances are the fish is going to die, and i have no intention on eating the fish.

anyone have experience with the attractant stuff?
 

spidey07

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yea i could have used one of those. took me a good half hour to respool mine just now by myself. think i may have put a little too much line on as it's like RIGHT at the edge of the reel, but i think it will be ok.

Bait casters need to be spooled about to the edge. 2-3 mm

On fishing I took about 40 crappie and ate some that night. Froze some 10 pounds of meat.
 
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weirdichi

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Where are the Texas people? I need some fishing buddies.

My go to lure is a weedless senko either Texas rigged without the weight or wacky style with an o-ring to preserve the lure.

But what I like the most is topwater action. A weedless Spro frog or scum frog is awesome in weeds in the early morning and late evening. That explosion when the fish takes the lure is beautiful. The other lure I absolutely love is s super spook or super spook jr. It's not so good in weeds because of the treble hooks, but man I love walking the dog with that and hearing the explosion of the attack.

In time, I will catch that elusive 10lb bass down here in Texas.
 

Chaotic42

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I always have luck with Rooster Tails. I don't think I've ever gone fishing with one without catching a fish on it. Often I catch multiple fish. I've still yet to catch anything with a spoon, dating back to being a kid in early 90s.
 
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