Five Reasons Why The US Cannot Afford To Attack Iran

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Because calling countries flat-out "evil" is a GREAT way to have them get along with you.

The truth hurts that bad?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: BBond
Pabster is just pi$$ed that under Bush's misguidance the "joke" is fact.

No, I just find it ironic that all the libs who criticized Bush for his "Axis of Evil" comments and Cheney for suggesting Iran was a serious threat are now commenting on the imminent (supposed) invasion of Iran.

But you'll never admit they were right.

How is that ironic? Iran and North Korea wouldn't have had carte blanche to develop nuclear programs if the Bush administration hadn't had such a monomaniacal focus on Iraq, who posed essentially no threat to the US. What is ironic about the fact that President Bush is allegedly about to make another misstep in international relations?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DonVito
How is that ironic? Iran and North Korea wouldn't have had carte blanche to develop nuclear programs if the Bush administration hadn't had such a monomaniacal focus on Iraq, who posed essentially no threat to the US. What is ironic about the fact that President Bush is allegedly about to make another misstep in international relations?

Oh, right. Iran wasn't venturing in to the nuclear arena pre-Bush 43.

You can do better than that.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: BBond
Pabster is just pi$$ed that under Bush's misguidance the "joke" is fact.

No, I just find it ironic that all the libs who criticized Bush for his "Axis of Evil" comments and Cheney for suggesting Iran was a serious threat are now commenting on the imminent (supposed) invasion of Iran.

But you'll never admit they were right.

Bush wasn't and still isn't right. Iran and Iraq are only serious threats because they threaten[ed] American dominance of the petrochemical market by bypassing the dollar standard and setting up their own exchanges directly to European and Asian markets.

Please come back to reality and realize "terror" is just a thin veil for economic power.

Nuclear weapons make great headlines, but are far down the pecking order for threats to America's stability and safety.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Please come back to reality and realize "terror" is just a thin veil for economic power.

Nuclear weapons make great headlines, but are far down the pecking order for threats to America's stability and safety.

A shining example of the contrast between those who recognize the threat and those who prefer to kick rocks around the school yard.

 

[conjur]

Who is a nuclear threat to the United States?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Oh, right. Iran wasn't venturing in to the nuclear arena pre-Bush 43.

You can do better than that.

You haven't answered my question - what is ironic about the present situation? Do you think - sincerely, if you're capable of that - that the Bush administration has done everything possible to prevent nuclear proliferation in North Korea and Iran? NK, in particular, was openly developing, and threatening to use nukes in the runup to OIF, yet President Bush said it was a diplomatic matter. That statement alone told me, and the world, that OIF had nothing to do with national security, at least not directly.

We made Saddam dangerous, directly, by illegally arming him during the Reagan and GHWB administrations. We made Iran dangerous by doing the same thing. Obviously it didn't help that Clinton did little to help either situation. That said, the lion's share of the nuclear weapons development in Iran and NK happened under the GWB administration.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DonVito
How is that ironic? Iran and North Korea wouldn't have had carte blanche to develop nuclear programs if the Bush administration hadn't had such a monomaniacal focus on Iraq, who posed essentially no threat to the US. What is ironic about the fact that President Bush is allegedly about to make another misstep in international relations?

Oh, right. Iran wasn't venturing in to the nuclear arena pre-Bush 43.

You can do better than that.

Who was helping to push Iran into that arena?


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/120905suppliediran.htm

how could Iran have obtained nuclear capabilities? Surely, those irresponsible former Soviet scientists must have sold them the technology, a colleague guessed. "Those people would sell anything after the fall of the Soviet Union."

Not quite! It was US policy, not anti-American Moslem fanaticism that led Iran directly into the nuclear age. In the late 1960s, Iran stood out as a model ally of the United States. After all, the ruling Shah owed the CIA after the Agency's operatives ousted elected Premier Mossadegh's government in 1953. CIA action followed Mossadegh's declaration that he would nationalize foreign oil holdings. The Shah understood loyalty to those who reinstalled his "royal family" to dictatorial power.

His servility won him nuclear access. "The US and her allies were in fact the driving force behind the birth of Iran's nuclear program in the late 1960s and early 1970s" (Mohammad Sahimi, Iran's Nuclear Program. Part I: Its History October 2003). By 1974, the Shah, after consulting with Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, boasted that nuclear power plants in Iran would soon produce more than 20,000 megawatts of energy.

In the mid-1970s, led by Kissinger who saw in Iran a "platform state" to fight communism in the region, Washington proposed that The Shah expand his nuclear capacity by acquiring as many as twenty three nuclear reactors. According to Mohammad Sahimi, the work on the reactors began in 1974 with the help of MIT engineers who contracted to train Iranian nuclear technicians.

Sahimi cites a speech by Sydney Sober, a State Department official who in October 1977, "declared that the Shah's government was going to purchase eight nuclear reactors from the US for generating electricity. On July 10, 1978, only seven months before the victory of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, the final draft of the US-Iran Nuclear Energy Agreement was signed. The agreement was supposed to facilitate cooperation in the field of nuclear energy and to govern the export and transfer of equipment and material to Iran's nuclear energy program. Iran was also to receive American technology and help in searching for uranium deposits."

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: conjur
Who is a nuclear threat to the United States?

*crickets*

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Please come back to reality and realize "terror" is just a thin veil for economic power.

Nuclear weapons make great headlines, but are far down the pecking order for threats to America's stability and safety.

A shining example of the contrast between those who recognize the threat and those who prefer to kick rocks around the school yard.

Interesting that you bring up the school yard. It was always my observation that children were more dazzled by talks of bombs and bullets while the adults paid more attention to things that actually make the world go 'round.

But you are right...boring things like numbers, economic policy, and foreign policy don't exactly grab headlines like "nukular" bombs and orange alerts.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: conjur
Who was helping to push Iran into that arena?

And did I ever comment on that? No...

I was refuting the ridiculous notion by Vito that Iran wasn't working on nuclear programs long before Bush 43.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: conjur
Who was helping to push Iran into that arena?

And did I ever comment on that? No...

I was refuting the ridiculous notion by Vito that Iran wasn't working on nuclear programs long before Bush 43.

But do you refute the notion that Iran was working on those nuclear programs with the help of the USA?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: conjur
Who was helping to push Iran into that arena?

And did I ever comment on that? No...

I was refuting the ridiculous notion by Vito that Iran wasn't working on nuclear programs long before Bush 43.

Just trying to get you to understand that some of the people in the admin now were around back then, working on getting Iran nuclear. Or perhaps you've forgotten that PNAC fvcks like Rummy and DICK were in the Nixon/Ford admins?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

I was refuting the ridiculous notion by Vito that Iran wasn't working on nuclear programs long before Bush 43.

I never said anything of the kind, and you still haven't answered my question. What is ironic about the "liberal" reaction here?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur
Who is a nuclear threat to the United States?

???



P.S. You still haven't answered my question to you about NutraSweet in the GM foods thread.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I would say another reason we cannot afford to attack Iran is that they would recall all there 7-11 employees from the united states and we would have a major crisis on our hands...........

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I would say another reason we cannot afford to attack Iran is that they would recall all there 7-11 employees from the united states and we would have a major crisis on our hands...........

You are the same guy who went around beating up Indians who wore Turbans after 9-11 weren't you?

 

[JEDIYoda]

actually I see no reason for you to assume that when I was joking.....
actually I felt pity for those who would attack the USA in such a way and take so many innocent lives just to prove a point.

I bet your one of those who claims the Holocaust never happened....

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
actually I see no reason for you to assume that when I was joking.....
actually I felt pity for those who would attack the USA in such a way and take so many innocent lives just to prove a point.

I bet your one of those who claims the Holocaust never happened....

I'm bored so...

prove it happened

 

[JEDIYoda]

Im also bored...
prove it didn`t happen

 

[Aimster]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=128121

wow just wow

I didnt read the article

wow because that site has 71,000 members!

wow

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Aimster
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=128121

wow just wow

I didnt read the article

wow because that site has 71,000 members!

wow

That's the site that FOX Network news reporter was pushing on TV a few weeks back.


Nice. :roll:

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Aimster
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=128121

wow just wow

I didnt read the article

wow because that site has 71,000 members!

wow

That's the site that FOX Network news reporter was pushing on TV a few weeks back.


Nice. :roll:

Are you serious?

Why would Fox Network push for that crap?

 

[JEDIYoda]

http://www.holocaust-history.org/denial-hoax/

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/nrvproof.html

http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1281

http://www.learntoquestion.com/resources/lessons/intro/text/4.html

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
We will eventually attack all the countries that have oil. Conspiracy theorist! you say. Tinfoil-hat liberal! you say. But it's true. This has been planned since the 1970's. It's only the beginning of the great oil war.

You're a bloody moron. Are we going to attack Canada, Mexico and Venezuala, our 3 largest suppliers of oil besides ourselves, too?