Five Reasons Why The US Cannot Afford To Attack Iran

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
It must be terrible to live in fear.

is that directed at me?

 

[Zebo]

This is all assuming a large scale invasion which won't happen. We'll simply destory thier nuclear capability with missiles and bombs over a month long period or so.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: palehorse74
well, i think you all should get ready for the show then...

why? because unless Iran does some SERIOUS backpedaling and arsekissing, then Israel will be bombing them without a second thought.

Question: What will China and Russia do if/when Israel strategically bombs Iran's nuclear facilities? After all, bombing only the nuclear research sites will not directly effect the oil shipments to China...

soo, what then?

What happens when Iran lobs a few Shahab-3 at Israel in kind?

well that all depends on what is on the tip of each of those missiles. If it's a WMD of any kind, then you can expect Israel to turn Iran into a burning sheet af glass very quickly thereafter... and THEN China may get pissed...DOH!

So ALL of this depends on Iran. It is up to Iran as to whether or not they get nuked off the map. All of the blame will be theirs and theirs alone if/when that happens; and Israel will be 100% justified in ALL of their REactions.

Israel knows how to take care of business and I can assure you that they will not wait for permission to do so; and perhaps rightfully so. (Just as the US was justified in taking action against Iraq without "permission" 3 years ago!)

Israel is a small enough target that conventional bombs will inflict enough damage. Don't forget Syria too; they have the #2 military in the Middle East, right behind Israel, and they are in a joint defense agreement with Iran. An unprovoked, illegal attack on Iran's sovereign right to produce nuclear energy would inflict a lot of damage on both sides, but Israel would obviously be the smaller target.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Zebo
This is all assuming a large scale invasion which won't happen. We'll simply destory thier nuclear capability with missiles and bombs over a month long period or so.

And I'm sure Iran will twiddle its thumbs while we do so.

Then after the bombing is done and all foreign officials are expelled, Iran will begin construction anew, and more secret hardened locations with no pesky IAEA seals to worry about (and a solidified national edict to arm itself with WMDs). Bombing doesn't change leadership or their mentalities.

 

[Jmman]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Zebo
This is all assuming a large scale invasion which won't happen. We'll simply destory thier nuclear capability with missiles and bombs over a month long period or so.

And I'm sure Iran will twiddle its thumbs while we do so.

Then after the bombing is done and all foreign officials are expelled, Iran will begin construction anew, and more secret hardened locations with no pesky IAEA seals to worry about (and a solidified national edict to arm itself with WMDs). Bombing doesn't change leadership or their mentalities.

I suppose the UN will??

 

[tommywishbone]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
It must be terrible to live in fear.

is that directed at me?

At ease soldier. My comment is directed at anyone who has irrational fears of an event that has never taken place in history. An unprovoked attack with nuclear weapons is an absolute death sentence for the entire country commiting the act. Even the most criminally insane mind won't be able to achieve such stupidity.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
It must be terrible to live in fear.

is that directed at me?

At ease soldier. My comment is directed at anyone who has irrational fears of an event that has never taken place in history. An unprovoked attack with nuclear weapons is an absolute death sentence for the entire country commiting the act. Even the most criminally insane mind won't be able to achieve such stupidity.

only if the other side HAS nukes! If Iran retaliates for the hits on their search sites with chem/bio weapons on missiles, it will be devestating to Israel; but not nearly AS devestating as Israel's rection to that. They will turn Iran to glass at that point and there is nothing ANY country in the ME could do about it except retliate conventionally...

That is why I believe that the ball here is entirely in Iran's court. If they go all jihad on us, and commit suicide by proxy, then it's their own dumb fault as a nation. If the people of Iran do not do someting about their insane leadership, then I can see this as a real possibility in the very near future.

That said, I have another question: What happens when you blow up nuclear labs and material? oh ya, fallout... if these Iranians are smart AND crazy, which I think they are, then chances are some of their secret nuke labs are in cities with millions of people... blow one of THOSE up and it's going to be uggggggly.

so, how the hell do we solve this problem if we cannot find the sites, or we cannot get to the sites, or the callateral damage is too catastrophic? the UN?! not a chance!

There are only two options left at that point: 1) Let them have nukes (bigtime yikes!), or 2) conventional ground invasion from 4 sides (yikes again!).

soooo... now what?

/ramble off

 

[musicman87]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: tommywishbone

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
It must be terrible to live in fear.

is that directed at me?

At ease soldier. My comment is directed at anyone who has irrational fears of an event that has never taken place in history. An unprovoked attack with nuclear weapons is an absolute death sentence for the entire country commiting the act. Even the most criminally insane mind won't be able to achieve such stupidity.

only if the other side HAS nukes! If Iran retaliates for the hits on their search sites with chem/bio weapons on missiles, it will be devestating to Israel; but not nearly AS devestating as Israel's rection to that. They will turn Iran to glass at that point and there is nothing ANY country in the ME could do about it except retliate conventionally...

That is why I believe that the ball here is entirely in Iran's court. If they go all jihad on us, and commit suicide by proxy, then it's their own dumb fault as a nation. If the people of Iran do not do someting about their insane leadership, then I can see this as a real possibility in the very near future.

That said, I have another question: What happens when you blow up nuclear labs and material? oh ya, fallout... if these Iranians are smart AND crazy, which I think they are, then chances are some of their secret nuke labs are in cities with millions of people... blow one of THOSE up and it's going to be uggggggly.

so, how the hell do we solve this problem if we cannot find the sites, or we cannot get to the sites, or the callateral damage is too catastrophic? the UN?! not a chance!

There are only two options left at that point: 1) Let them have nukes (bigtime yikes!), or 2) conventional ground invasion from 4 sides (yikes again!).

soooo... now what?

/ramble off

nuke iran and syria and take thier oil?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: musicman87

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: tommywishbone

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
It must be terrible to live in fear.

is that directed at me?

At ease soldier. My comment is directed at anyone who has irrational fears of an event that has never taken place in history. An unprovoked attack with nuclear weapons is an absolute death sentence for the entire country commiting the act. Even the most criminally insane mind won't be able to achieve such stupidity.

only if the other side HAS nukes! If Iran retaliates for the hits on their search sites with chem/bio weapons on missiles, it will be devestating to Israel; but not nearly AS devestating as Israel's rection to that. They will turn Iran to glass at that point and there is nothing ANY country in the ME could do about it except retliate conventionally...

That is why I believe that the ball here is entirely in Iran's court. If they go all jihad on us, and commit suicide by proxy, then it's their own dumb fault as a nation. If the people of Iran do not do someting about their insane leadership, then I can see this as a real possibility in the very near future.

That said, I have another question: What happens when you blow up nuclear labs and material? oh ya, fallout... if these Iranians are smart AND crazy, which I think they are, then chances are some of their secret nuke labs are in cities with millions of people... blow one of THOSE up and it's going to be uggggggly.

so, how the hell do we solve this problem if we cannot find the sites, or we cannot get to the sites, or the callateral damage is too catastrophic? the UN?! not a chance!

There are only two options left at that point: 1) Let them have nukes (bigtime yikes!), or 2) conventional ground invasion from 4 sides (yikes again!).

soooo... now what?

/ramble off

nuke iran and syria and take thier oil?

lol... I was hoping that someone with half a clue would respond to my rambling... guess not.

 

[musicman87]

sorrry, guess u didn't catch the sarcasm

 

[Moonbeam]

In case it hasn't been said:

There is only one reason anybody can't afford something and that is because they don't have the money.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: tommywishbone

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
It must be terrible to live in fear.

is that directed at me?

At ease soldier. My comment is directed at anyone who has irrational fears of an event that has never taken place in history. An unprovoked attack with nuclear weapons is an absolute death sentence for the entire country commiting the act. Even the most criminally insane mind won't be able to achieve such stupidity.

only if the other side HAS nukes! If Iran retaliates for the hits on their search sites with chem/bio weapons on missiles, it will be devestating to Israel; but not nearly AS devestating as Israel's rection to that. They will turn Iran to glass at that point and there is nothing ANY country in the ME could do about it except retliate conventionally...

That is why I believe that the ball here is entirely in Iran's court. If they go all jihad on us, and commit suicide by proxy, then it's their own dumb fault as a nation. If the people of Iran do not do someting about their insane leadership, then I can see this as a real possibility in the very near future.

That said, I have another question: What happens when you blow up nuclear labs and material? oh ya, fallout... if these Iranians are smart AND crazy, which I think they are, then chances are some of their secret nuke labs are in cities with millions of people... blow one of THOSE up and it's going to be uggggggly.

so, how the hell do we solve this problem if we cannot find the sites, or we cannot get to the sites, or the callateral damage is too catastrophic? the UN?! not a chance!

There are only two options left at that point: 1) Let them have nukes (bigtime yikes!), or 2) conventional ground invasion from 4 sides (yikes again!).

soooo... now what?

/ramble off

Option 1 sounds better because a) ZERO proof they are producing nuclear weapons and b) no precedent for unprovoked nuclear attack (especially by a country at such a military disadvantage to its enemies). LOGIC says don't attack Iran. Wild speculation and fear say otherwise.

 

[RichardE]

How many of the people in here saying Iran is building for WMD were the same people saying Iraq had WMD...I wonder.....

 

[Zebo]

We have no choice. the alternatives are so much worse.

"What people need to hear loud and clear is that we?re running out of energy in America." - GW Bush

If that happens any pesky China involvment or ME implosion will make the impending financial crises look like a boy scout jambree. I believe we have already started the resource wars - Irans Nuclear ambitions are just a conveneint excuse. Be glad you live in America.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Zebo
We have no choice. the alternatives are so much worse.

"What people need to hear loud and clear is that we?re running out of energy in America." - GW Bush

If that happens any pesky China involvment or ME implosion will make the impending financial crises look like a boy scout jambree. I believe we have already started the resource wars - Irans Nuclear ambitions are just a conveneint excuse. Be glad you live in America.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

To control Iran's oil would at minimum require a draft and a VERY unpopular war, which I think is next to impossible for GWB to get away with after Iraq.

He blew his load on Iraq and I don't think America will let him have another round.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Zebo
We have no choice. the alternatives are so much worse.

"What people need to hear loud and clear is that we?re running out of energy in America." - GW Bush

If that happens any pesky China involvment or ME implosion will make the impending financial crises look like a boy scout jambree. I believe we have already started the resource wars - Irans Nuclear ambitions are just a conveneint excuse. Be glad you live in America.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

To control Iran's oil would at minimum require a draft and a VERY unpopular war, which I think is next to impossible for GWB to get away with after Iraq.

He blew his load on Iraq and I don't think America will let him have another round.

How you figure? Nukes takes about 6 people to launch. Dick already ordered the plans to attack iran like this if *any* terrorist attack takes place on our soil regaurdless of perps.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Zebo
We have no choice. the alternatives are so much worse.

"What people need to hear loud and clear is that we?re running out of energy in America." - GW Bush

If that happens any pesky China involvment or ME implosion will make the impending financial crises look like a boy scout jambree. I believe we have already started the resource wars - Irans Nuclear ambitions are just a conveneint excuse. Be glad you live in America.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

To control Iran's oil would at minimum require a draft and a VERY unpopular war, which I think is next to impossible for GWB to get away with after Iraq.

He blew his load on Iraq and I don't think America will let him have another round.

How you figure? Nukes takes about 6 people to launch. Dick already ordered the plans to attack iran like this if *any* terrorist attack takes place on our soil regaurdless of perps.

Nuclear strikes on their enrichment facilities won't disable their army. Nuking a population center is out of the question unless we are attacked first in a similar fashion. Even then, our nuclear bombs weren't designed to eliminate the population of an entire country, which will more willfully resist our occupation than the Iraqis ever did or ever will.

And our boys in Iraq won't be able to handle the fallout (no pun intended) of nuking Iran...they have their hands full fighting a group composed mainly of the Sunni minority, and pissing off the Shiite majority will require a much larger occupying force in Iraq.

Securing Iran's oil WILL require another occupying force, which we don't have available right now.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Bombing doesn't change leadership or their mentalities.

It does when they're dead

That said, it is the force of freedom that will eventually conquer Iran. The winds are blowing ever stronger in the ME now and it is only a matter of a time.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Bombing doesn't change leadership or their mentalities.

It does when they're dead

That said, it is the force of freedom that will eventually conquer Iran. The winds are blowing ever stronger in the ME now and it is only a matter of a time.

How do you honestly figure that? It seems radical Islan is having a bigger effect than the "winds of freedom"