Five underrated and underplayed PC games

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blackened23

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Oh good grief. Dragon Age 2? Really? That game was UTTER GARBAGE with so many reused and reskinned enemies/environments that it really was pathetic. Anyone who played that stupid crap game start to finish would find that completely obvious - it was rushed to make some quick money. That game is not underrated. It was a complete POS.

Anyone thinking otherwise probably played it for 5 minutes. Five minutes in, the combat mechanics seem somewhat fun. Anyone that played start to finish would have gotten HIGHLY ANNOYED with the game due to EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING being recycled over and over and over. It really was unbelievable what Bioware did there.
 

futurefields

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3. The Saboteur. Another port, like GTA WW2 with a focus on explosives and destroying Nazi everything (thousands of things). Cool graphic effect of going to grey-scale when in Nazi controlled areas except for red. Great game, and even has an official nude patch (you start in a burlesque house).

I got Saboteur and Syndicate on Amazon for $5. Dunno how Saboteur slipped under my radar, open-world games are my shindig.
 

blackened23

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Usually never do this, but this made me laugh.

It's almost like he didn't play either game fully. Anyone saying the skill system in DA2 was improved over DA:O. What the HECK. I don't know which DA:O he played but definitely not the same one everyone else played , DA:O was far more intricate than DA2. And he probably played DA2 for about 10 minutes. The flaws with that game aren't obvious 10 minutes in. Playing for an extended period reveals the real issues.
 

Grimbones

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Oh, my, my, all you elitist gamers. Dumping on Dragon Age 2 as per usual...

Was it a great game? Probably not...was it the travesty everyone in the world would try and tell you is the case, no--of course not. It was probably a 7.0.

I honestly enjoyed it, but thought it was worse than the original...i still finished, and enjoyed it.

I don't get why this game gets dumped on so hard. Bioshock 2 either--imo Bioshock 2 was superior to Infinite, but Infinite was more of a pseudo-intellectual game so everyone pretended to think the game was deep and therefore enjoyable.

All you Dragon Age 2 haters are so obnoxious though...

Whenever someone says a game has no value at all, you know they are completely biased. What's hilarious is these people saying the game was utter garbage and then PLAYED THE GAME TO COMPLETION...

If a game is bad, you do not keep playing it--i don't care how much you have spent on it, unless you are like 13 years old and do not have any actual money of your own.
 

QuantumPion

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Usually never do this, but this made me laugh.

It's almost like he didn't play either game fully. Anyone saying the skill system in DA2 was improved over DA:O. What the HECK. I don't know which DA:O he played but definitely not the same one everyone else played , DA:O was far more intricate than DA2. And he probably played DA2 for about 10 minutes. The flaws with that game aren't obvious 10 minutes in. Playing for an extended period reveals the real issues.

I've played both games all the way through and I remember them fully. I even read both books by David Gaider. You on the other hand, probably have not or are looking at them with rose-tinted glasses.

Well since you've obviously never played DA2 and are just regurgitating the trollhate, let me explain how it worked. In DA2, you had a rock-paper-scissors status mechanic that required two different party members to execute. For example, a mage could freeze with an ice spell and then a rogue could shatter with his class specific skill. The skill choices and gameplay mechanics made sense and were well executed. DA2 on hard difficulty was actually freaking hard and if you didn't use the right combos you could easily lose. As for loot, DA2 had upgrade items in limited amounts so you had to chose who to give them to, so there was some meaningful choice involved.

Again, it amazes me how much trollhate DA2 receives and how much absolute slobbering praise DA:O does. Both games were mediocre. DA2 was more fun gameplay wise but the plot was silly and had rushed development problems. DA:O was long and had tons of dialogue but the plot and gameplay was quite boring. Everyone likes to compare DA:O to BG2 but I doubt anyone making that comparison actually ever really played BG2 to realize what DA:O lacks.
 
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BSim500

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All you Dragon Age 2 haters are so obnoxious though...

Again, it amazes me how much trollhate DA2 receives and how much absolute slobbering praise DA:O does. Both games were mediocre.
There were plenty of things badly broken with DA2. EXACTLY the same maps reused over and over again, poor badly-timed over-spamming of enemy mobs, combat dumbed down into a button-mashing fest, GFX that had half the FPS of original yet not only managed to look worse than the original DAO but somehow even managed to have environmental / floor textures, etc, look consistently worse than even 2002 Neverwinter Nights (the predecessor of NWN2, which in turn was the predecessor of DAO...) Throw in : comically bad cheesy animations (especially the rogue's attacks looking like a Japanese anime gone wrong), dumbed down conversation wheel, nerfed PC quickbar interface, nerfed isometric view, nerfed companion inventory & armor, nerfed class skills, half the length (25-36hrs vs DAO's 50-70hrs), companions now brainless drones with far less personality & humor than the original, zero toolset, etc. The only quality thing close to the original was Inon Zur's soundtrack (excellent as always).

If you liked DA2 due to the plot or whatever, fine, but don't pretend entirely valid widespread almost universal criticism is "unfair trollhate". DAO was 5 years in the making and they put a lot of effort into not dumbing down the PC with "lowest common denominator" consolization to the point where it was (and still is) one of the top 5 examples of a cross-platform game done right over the past decade with not only zero PC compromise but a significant PC UI / HUD enhancement optimised for mouse+keyboard beyond just upping GFX textures & shaders on Ultra (a rarity these days). DA2 was a post-EA-acquisition rushed-out brand cash-in. The fact the DA Inquisitions team have openly spoken about "lessons learned" says it all.

DA2 was more fun gameplay wise but the plot was silly and had rushed development problems. DA:O was long and had tons of dialogue but the plot and gameplay was quite boring.

DAO's combat was along the lines of its predecessors (NWN, etc) in the sense of being highly tactical "real-time rounds" typically 5s or so apart that played like a "sped up turn-based strategy". That's the entire point of these games! The only people who thought that was "boring" were those unfamiliar with earlier related games who were instead expecting every new RPG to be an arcadey Diablo-click-fest hack & slash style experience. For those looking for that - try Torchlight.

Everyone likes to compare DA:O to BG2 but I doubt anyone making that comparison actually ever really played BG2 to realize what DA:O lacks.
I've played the lot : Baldur's Gate 1 & 2, Icewind Dale 1 & 2 (all Infinity Engine), NWN 1 & 2 (Aurora Engine), etc. They did an excellent job with DAO preserving the "feel" of old-style isometric RPG's whilst adding more modern "over-the-shoulder" gameplay at the flick of a mouse wheel. The fact they released the full toolset is also what stands it out as more "old school quality" vs "marketed for a more 'casual' audience". Hopefully, DAI's "blend" will be more like 99% DAO / 1% DA2...
 
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AyashiKaibutsu

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Oh, my, my, all you elitist gamers. Dumping on Dragon Age 2 as per usual...

Was it a great game? Probably not...was it the travesty everyone in the world would try and tell you is the case, no--of course not. It was probably a 7.0.

I honestly enjoyed it, but thought it was worse than the original...i still finished, and enjoyed it.

I don't get why this game gets dumped on so hard. Bioshock 2 either--imo Bioshock 2 was superior to Infinite, but Infinite was more of a pseudo-intellectual game so everyone pretended to think the game was deep and therefore enjoyable.

All you Dragon Age 2 haters are so obnoxious though...

Whenever someone says a game has no value at all, you know they are completely biased. What's hilarious is these people saying the game was utter garbage and then PLAYED THE GAME TO COMPLETION...

If a game is bad, you do not keep playing it--i don't care how much you have spent on it, unless you are like 13 years old and do not have any actual money of your own.

Dragon Age wasn't super amazing 9.9 game everyone made it out to be. It was good granted. Dragon Age 2 was a piece of crap.
 

StinkyPinky

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My favorite part of DA 2 was entering the same cave 22 times in the game. Or maybe it was walking the same path to said cave 22 times in the game. Or maybe it was walking around the same three city zones 22 times in the game.

So many favorite things in DA2.
 

Arg Clin

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DA2 was way overrated on initial reviews. Just about everything was wrong with that game including map reuse, ninjas falling from the sky etc etc.

These thing could have been forgiven to some extent if it wasn't for the utterly boring PC and NPC gallery, confusing storyline (10 years pass and everyone yes every location looks exactly the same as before, save a few merchants swapped place), abundance of dead end story trails and soon and so on.
 

EDUSAN

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Darksiders 1 and Darksiders 2

those 2 games deserved much more success than what they got (and the -for now- tragic end of the franchise when thq sold everything and nobody wanted to buy the IP)
 

sweenish

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DA2 is a bad game. There is no defending it. When the arguments go that it played without showstopper bugs, the game is bad.

Yes, DA:O has its issues, but that's not a valid counterpoint. You don't defend a point by going tangential.

At two-thirds of the way through, I gave up and just sat down and slogged the rest of the game, and it was a slog. I immediately uninstalled the game and haven't cared in the slightest to go back.

Glad I only paid five bucks for the base. It was bad enough that I'm not yet excited for DA3 in the least.

One thing I will give it are that the actual story was pretty decent. And the stylized graphics were well done.

However, delivery and gameplay for the story blew chunks. Battles felt static and repetitive. The characters were cool, but treated poorly. The repetitive environments did annoy me.

The biggest difference is that in spite of its warts, I still enjoy DA:O and have no issues going back to it.
 

blackened23

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I have a hard time reading a positive DA2 spin by anyone because the repetitive nature, regurgitated environments, and reskinned enemies killed it. It was SO OBVIOUS that the game was rushed out the door to make a quick buck and the game suffered as a result.

Seeing the same "dungeon" 22 times in a row, EXACTLY with the same layout, really? How can anyone defend that crap? Did these people really play the entire game? I guess i'm a glutton for pain because I paid full price for the game and I actually forced myself through it hoping it would get better. But I just kept going to the same environments under the guise of a new quest with reskinned enemies nonstop. The game was CLEARLY rushed for $. DA:O was nothing like that and had a better skill system to boot. More of an actual RPG feel and less of the arcadey action oriented gimmicky crap in DA2.
 

sash1

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Alpha Protocol. the game was *EXCELLENT*. a lot of people complained about bugs and poor AI scripting, but I encountered neither of those. graphically nothing too special, but the story was phenomenal.

i really enjoyed alpha protocol. there were a few bugs: i mostly encountered mouse issues with it randomly turning me around. but nothing near as major as what some others claimed.

very solid stealth game, imo, though i disliked how OP some skill paths were vs. others.
 

JumBie

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3. The Saboteur. Another port, like GTA WW2 with a focus on explosives and destroying Nazi everything (thousands of things). Cool graphic effect of going to grey-scale when in Nazi controlled areas except for red. Great game, and even has an official nude patch (you start in a burlesque house).

Everyone needs to play that, a classic that went under the radar of a lot of PC gamers.
 

ControlD

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I doubt any AAA title is underplayed, thus the initial list seems a bit suspect to me. There are a ton of great games out there with limited (or non existent) marketing budgets that are truly underplayed and underrated but none of them are published by EA and their ilk.
 

EDUSAN

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well there can be AAA that are underrated... like games that are actually pretty good but got a shitty score... like... mass effect 3
 

sweenish

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My top pick for under-rated and underplayed is Spec Ops: The Line.

It has a campaign that is not to be missed. Gameplay can seem sloppy at times, but it weirdly fits the narrative perfectly.
 

darkewaffle

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I do need to finish Bioshock 2 at some point. It didn't pull me in in quite the same way Bioshock did, but I definitely appreciate the better enemy variety and the more dangerous enemies in BS2, adds a lot to the atmosphere imo.
 

surfsatwerk

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Darksiders 1 and Darksiders 2

those 2 games deserved much more success than what they got (and the -for now- tragic end of the franchise when thq sold everything and nobody wanted to buy the IP)

I enjoyed these games very much. So disappointed that I'm never going to see another one.
 
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