[fixed] Dragon Age 2 Low Performance on Nvidia Cards [fixed]

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tviceman

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I'll try the high res texture pack, but it is supposed to be run only on 1gb + cards. Might have to try to hack it I guess...



IMHO nvidia has taught amd the advantages of TWIMTBP-type agreements. It was very big news when SC2 came out with issues on AMD cards, and batman was just a fiasco for AMD (at first). Now, AMD is going for some payback. It would be cool for all of us to hang out in fields and look at double rainbows all day while singing hymnals. However, I suspect that as long as AMD/Nvidia think that $2 million given to crytek/EA/etc will sell them more cards than spending that money on better components/additional R&D/etc, we're going to see this trend continue.

AA might be hurting your frame rates with everything enabled, and could kill any chance you have of running the hi res texture pack with playable frame rates.
 

railven

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Has there been any IQ reviews? While I'm not accusing anyone of anything, such a huge performance gain makes you wonder who threw the monkey wrench into something or are there corners being cut some where.

With all these recent "driver optimization" stories going around consider me weary of any of the two brands suddenly gaining in excess of 200% performance increases.
 

bryanW1995

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6.2 times faster is quite the improvement. There was obviously some major bug in the nvidia driver that DA2 hit on which has apparently been resolved. Now they perform like normal cards.

That data passes the eye test for me, at least on the lower end. Mine appears to be about 2.5 x the performance but on a card that's quite a bit slower than gtx 560 ti.

Has there been any IQ reviews? While I'm not accusing anyone of anything, such a huge performance gain makes you wonder who threw the monkey wrench into something or are there corners being cut some where.

With all these recent "driver optimization" stories going around consider me weary of any of the two brands suddenly gaining in excess of 200% performance increases.

I didn't notice a huge change going from high to very high, but adding AO/DOF/Blur made a HUGE difference subjectively for me. And you have to run very high to enable AO/DOF/Blur. If enough people bug me about it I'll roll back to the previous drivers for comparison.
 
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bryanW1995

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I've already posted the fraps data files from my testing. Maybe scaling is better on lower end cards? Even so, that seems to be pretty extreme to me.

edit: from reading the graph, they had AO, blur, etc all enabled. looks like I will need to go back and try it with that. I don't know how they tested, but I assume that they had some sort of action sequence rather than just running around like I did. I'll try to find some more graphically demanding area/battle scene/etc to see if my data is consistent for my card/rig or if that +250% was just a special case.
 
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bryanW1995

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30% is not correct for most systems/settings, before grooveriding's vacation he mentioned that it was much more than that for him. DA2 does appear to be a game that favors AMD, however.
 

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30% is not correct for most systems/settings, before grooveriding's vacation he mentioned that it was much more than that for him. DA2 does appear to be a game that favors AMD, however.

He'll be back soon, hopefully he can add some data to the discussion then.
 

taltamir

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from the article:

NVIDIA was aware of the performance problems with Dragon Age 2, and have been working on performance. The official response from NVIDIA was that NVIDIA did not have access to early builds of DA2, however once it gained access to the game the driver team did jump on it and tuned up application performance. We have seen this happen with many games in the past, on both sides either favoring NVIDIA or favoring AMD by not having access to early builds, which means that when the game is launched the driver has not been properly tuned. It is a shame really, because from a gamers perspective we want the best experience we can get on game launch, not several weeks later. It is a state of the gaming and video card business, and it sucks mostly for us, the gamer, we always seem to get the short end of the stick due to these practices. Honestly we think teams Red and Green actually think this gives the companies some sort of competitive benefit, but truly we think it just shows how little the companies care about its customers' needs.

I agree with that conclusion... this kind of behavior does NOT impress me.
 

3DVagabond

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from the article:



I agree with that conclusion... this kind of behavior does NOT impress me.

[sarc] Yeah, aren't these "improved developer relations" awesome? [/sarc]

Isn't that what everyone says AMD needs to do too whenever anyone complains about TWIMTBP games being purposely coded to run worse on AMD hardware? It's all BS! As the article states, it's the gamer who suffers. What really sucks is it's the gamers monies that are paying to sabotage the competitors hardware.
 

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I'm sure now it's completely safe to have Dragon Age 2 in the benchmarks, we'll be seeing a lot more of it.
 

notty22

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But can AMD's driver team fix their Need for Speed Shift 2 performance in much the same way?
The 580 is over 50% faster than the 6970 in a dx9 game, LOL
I notice the 6970 also chokes with 8xAA in Starcraft II
I guess there is always another game/area the driver teams can find improvement.
 

taltamir

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Yeah that xbit one just proves what you can find when you try out every setting then opt for the one which shows Nvidia in a good light. HQ and 8x AA? What a joke, no gamer would ever choose that option.

I am curious, what option would a "gamer" choose then?
 

SirPauly

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My tag line at Rage3d is this: "Gaming flexibility is a gamer's best friend!" You wanna know why? Gamers have different needs, tastes, desires and tolerances in virtually every aspect from IQ to smoothness, imho!
 

SirPauly

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I think many may settle between 40-60, but I don't know! What if your IQ was noticeably better and dropping your minimums from 40 from 60 is all you would have to do? Give me the IQ and improved gaming experience choice.

What if someone needed 60 average so the minimums would never drop below that 30 threshold -- thats a very popular view.
 

jimbo75

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Well sure there are no set rules, but I would definitely take issue with a benchmark that doesn't have the highest IQ settings yet has 8xAA. There is only one reason to do that, and it's all about benchmark numbers looking good on one colour of card.
 

Grooveriding

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As someone who plays a lot of Starcraft 2 with AA I can say that bench is worthless.

AA gives a strong performance hit in this game and once you're done with singleplayer and are playing multi, you need smooth frames so the game does not lag when there is a lot going on.

The best I can get playable on my system is 4XAA with 2XTRSSA. Maybe at a lower resolution you could manage it though. Who knows.
 

SirPauly

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Well sure there are no set rules, but I would definitely take issue with a benchmark that doesn't have the highest IQ settings yet has 8xAA. There is only one reason to do that, and it's all about benchmark numbers looking good on one colour of card.

I wouldn't consider StarCraft a benching staple when it comes to an over-all view considering AA was forced on by the IHV's considering this title didn't have any sort of application AA. The way I look at it for a title like this: Considering the title didn't have any AA, it is wonderful to see both nVidia and AMD go out of their way to bring AA for this title for their customers.
 

GaiaHunter

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If someone is serious about multiplayer in SC2 they will clearly not use AA. Pros and competitive players generally play at low/low (textures/other) or at most medium/medium just to avoid any dips in battles.

I guess you can use it single player but it doesn't make much difference.
 
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