Flash a cop because his lights are bright and die

[master_shake_]

Good shoot

was wondering when spidey was coming back.

are you as bat shit crazy as he is/was?

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Trying not to make judgements about the case specifically, but:

Is it standard procedure (or generally considered acceptable, if not addressed by procedure) for cops to use force to extricate people from their vehicles, who are not suspected of anything more than traffic violations, because they are arguing and/or refusing to submit ID? Obviously the argument can't be allowed to go on forever, either, so more to the point, is resolving such a situation speedily more important than resolving it peacefully?

Additionally, is it standard procedure (or generally acceptable if not specifically addressed by procedure), once the decision is made to force them out of their vehicle and end the argument, to not wait for backup? Not having backup, which I think would increase the likelihood that, being alone, even a minor physical confrontation will result in "feared for his life" and having to shoot?

 

[master_shake_]

Trying not to make judgements about the case specifically, but:

Is it standard procedure (or generally considered acceptable, if not addressed by procedure) for cops to use force to extricate people from their vehicles, who are not suspected of anything more than traffic violations, because they are arguing and/or refusing to submit ID? Obviously that can't be allowed to go on forever, so more to the point, is resolving such a situation speedily more important than resolving it peacefully?

Additionally, is it standard procedure (or generally acceptable if not specifically addressed by procedure), once the decision is made to force them out of their vehicle and end the argument, to not wait for backup? Not having backup, which I think would increase the likelihood that, being alone, even a minor physical confrontation will result in "feared for his life" and having to shoot?

you heard it here folks.

cops can wipe their asses with your constitution and if you don't like it, comply or die.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

you heard it here folks.

cops can wipe their asses with your constitution and if you don't like it, comply or die.

I intended those as serious, non-prejudiced questions and did not in any way intend to suggest that they should say, "oh well, since you won't give me your ID, you can just leave".

 

[HamburgerBoy]

victim blaming also alive and well.

What was he a victim of? Lawful self-defense?

 

[master_shake_]

What was he a victim of? Lawful self-defense?

victim of a raging retard cops murder.

 

[mizzou]

"Excuse me sir, you were speeding. Here is my explanation of why I think you were speeding. Sorry, but I need you to sign this ticket"

"ERMAGERD I GUESS ITS COMPLY OR DIE YOU RAGING RETARD MURDER COP!! GWAAAA"

^

That is my impression of some people's analysis of these situations

 

[bshole]

FYI it isn't legal to flash your lights like that. He was being given a ticket. If an officer pulls you over for running a stop sign you can't refuse to cooperate if you don't think you ran it.

FYI, according to Michigan law:

Oddly enough, there are no laws on the books concerning flashing your brights at other drivers

In Wisconsin, flashing is definitely allowed to inform other drivers that their high beams are on. It is an effective means of communication. Not sure how the public is served by pulling over drivers who are flashing their lights at cars with high beams on. The cop was a complete jag for pulling somebody over for that.

That being said, the kids reaction was that of a petulant two year old. Jesus I wanted to smack him myself by the end of it. Of course the cop could of been much more diplomat, REALLY REALLY poor negotiation skills on his part. He should definitely be relieved of any further duties that involve engagement with the public at large. Sadly, because the kid did indeed assault him, the cop was well within his rights to shoot. He was definitely under no obligation to wait for the beating to get worse. Looks like he got his ass kicked good in the matter of a few seconds.

 

[mizzou]

FYI, according to Michigan law:



In Wisconsin, flashing is definitely allowed to inform other drivers that their high beams are on. It is an effective means of communication. Not sure how the public is served by pulling over drivers who are flashing their lights at cars with high beams on. The cop was a complete jag for pulling somebody over for that.

That being said, the kids reaction was that of a petulant two year old. Jesus I wanted to smack himself by the end of it. Of course the cop could of been much more diplomat, REALLY poor negotiation skill. He should definitely be relieved of any further duties that involve engagement with the public at large. Sadly, because the kid did indeed assault him, the cop was well within his rights to shoot. He was definitely under no obligation to wait for the beating to get worse. Looks like he got his ass kicked good in the matter of a few seconds.

A lot of states have laws stating you shouldn't use high beams within so many feet of incoming traffic. It doesn't specify length of time, so if you high beam someone right in front of you it could be bad....but still allows high beam use in any manner at a safe distance.

As far as I know the procedure of flashing lights IS legal, even if its to warn about speed traps. Just don't flash people when they are driving right by you.

 

[BeeBoop]

Lol, that's pretty funny mizzou.


This wasn't a felony stop. It wasn't even a speeding ticket. Kid got shot over high beams. Just so terrible. The kid screaming was just sad. He sounded so helpless and yet the cop just continued to fire because dead people can't talk.

 

[master_shake_]

"Excuse me sir, you were speeding. Here is my explanation of why I think you were speeding. Sorry, but I need you to sign this ticket"

"ERMAGERD I GUESS ITS COMPLY OR DIE YOU RAGING RETARD MURDER COP!! GWAAAA"

^

That is my impression of some people's analysis of these situations

lets see not speeding, check.

an actual raging retard check.

using his rights under the constitution, check.

hmm. i don't speak troll so this might not get through.

 

[mizzou]

lets see not speeding, check.

an actual raging retard check.

using his rights under the constitution, check.

hmm. i don't speak troll so this might not get through.

It was a play on extreme over-reaction, something that is lost on several forum members

 

[master_shake_]

It was a play on extreme over-reaction, something that is lost on several forum members

Looked like mis-direction to me.

 

[railer]

Did any of you pea brains actually see the video for this? Here's a pro-tip for you whilst you're googling it: If you think that kid got shot because he flashed his high beams, then you are a special kind of stupid.

 

[Ackmed]

What issue? I read a few more articles and apparently the body cam was knocked off and disengaged and stun gun was lost in the snow.

Sgt. Frost's defense is that the stun gun never made two prong contact, therefore was ineffective. Suddenly he found this 17-year-old ontop and hitting him almost into unconsciousness. I'm just not buying this story.



That's when he decided to deploy directly into the suspect's chest with his weapon, which allegedly was jammed. However the sergeant repeatedly pulled the trigger and the now unjammed gun caused seven shots to be fired, hitting Guilford all seven times.


If anyone wants to see video of Sgt. Jonathan Frost, here he is warning parents about certain computer apps that could place their children in danger by sharing too much personal information. Too bad he didn't place a warning label on his own balding pate.

http://www.wilx.com/home/headlines/Police-Warn-Parents-About-Apps--284704111.html

Your obvious bias is funny, and sad at the same time. Of course you don't believe that both prongs didn't hit, because of bias. If you think that this is uncommon, you'd be wrong. You also don't believe that his gun jammed, while not technically true this is also common in close proximity shootings. It's called "Out of battery". If you place the muzzle of a pistol that uses a slide against something and move the slide back a fraction of an inch, it will not fire. So say he placed the gun against the kid since he was on top of him, it's very realistic that it would not fire until there was separation. Or he just kept a dirty gun because he was lazy and didn't fire for that reason. It really doesn't matter, he was being actively assaulted, and shot him. He attempted to use less than lethal force first. The shoot was good, although tragic.

Blaming anyone but the kid in this is silly. But lots of cop haters out there, blinded by bias. Cops certainly do plenty of terrible acts. This is not one of them. He did not exercise his Constitutional rights, saying so is just dumb. He by law has to show a valid license while in operation of a motor vehicle. This is pretty common knowledge. Declining that is not ok, and he can't just say no, argue, and go on. But again some people here are blinded by bias.

FYI, according to Michigan law:

According to the interview, it is illegal to flash high beams within 500 feet of an oncoming vehicle.

http://fox17online.com/2015/06/16/e...ng-charges-vs-deputy-in-teens-shooting-death/

 

[MagickMan]

Sad situation, but once you attack a police officer good outcomes are off the table.

Yep. Don't hit cops.

 

[master_shake_]

https://youtu.be/nQaTc-4py6A

this is how you are supposed to deal with teenagers.

but you know.

'murica.

 

[Bock]

When dealing with cops, shoot first.

 

[Ackmed]

https://youtu.be/nQaTc-4py6A

this is how you are supposed to deal with teenagers.

but you know.

'murica.

If you think cops or anyone should take be assaulted then let loose, you're just not very smart. To be polite about it. Those two teens should be arrested, I am pretty sure it is a felony to assault a cop too in every state.

 

[pcgeek11]

I'd bet cops are wise enough now to inflict injuries upon themselves after killing an unarmed person, particularly if there are no witnesses. The mere fact that the cop has injuries automatically gives him the benefit of the doubt, something cops are well aware of at this point.

Oh Please. Really.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Trying not to make judgements about the case specifically, but:

Is it standard procedure (or generally considered acceptable, if not addressed by procedure) for cops to use force to extricate people from their vehicles, who are not suspected of anything more than traffic violations, because they are arguing and/or refusing to submit ID? Obviously the argument can't be allowed to go on forever, either, so more to the point, is resolving such a situation speedily more important than resolving it peacefully?

Additionally, is it standard procedure (or generally acceptable if not specifically addressed by procedure), once the decision is made to force them out of their vehicle and end the argument, to not wait for backup? Not having backup, which I think would increase the likelihood that, being alone, even a minor physical confrontation will result in "feared for his life" and having to shoot?

Yers, as Ackmed and the other cop apologists will tell you, you always have to do what a cops says, no matter what. Doesn't matter if it's wrong or illegal, the cops are above teh law and do whatever they want, and their fellow cops and DA's will make sure they get away with it. If they tell you to give them a blowjob, well, you better do it since they will kill you if you don't.

If a cop wants to kill you, you're dead. They can say you were not following commands fast enough, or they can say you followed commands too quickly (AKA furtive movement), or they can give you conflicting commands to guarantee that you are not following one of them. GOod shoot then to Ackmed and others, case closed, high fives for killing another "thug".

Of course to Ackmed and others, this is the way it is supposed to work. They fully support the concept of cops being above the law, and being allowed to dispense justice without the need for a judge or jury.

 

[BeeBoop]

Yep. Don't hit cops.

Problem with the video is that we can not tell if the teen was hitting the cop. Nor can we tell if the teen was on top of the cop. During the altercation, we only have sound of the teen screaming followed by shots. The teen was stupid not to follow orders from someone with a gun but at no time during the whole ordeal, did the teen display any aggressive behavior. The cop however was aggressive and turned a misunderstanding into cold blooded murder. He wanted to show who was boss no matter the outcome. I hope the teen's father guns the cop down.

 

[pcgeek11]

A warning for what, exactly?

In a lot of states it is illegal to flash the lights for any reason.

 

[MagickMan]

I hope the teen's father guns the cop down.

You want him to spend the rest of his life in prison w/o a chance for parole? Wow, you're one vicious little shit.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

In a lot of states it is illegal to flash the lights for any reason.

Specially don't get caught letting people know there's radar ahead by flashing your lights (day or night)