Flip-flopping for the Jews

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Flip-flopping for the Jews
Suzanne Fields (archive)

August 5, 2004

Oy vay , as my bubby would say. A lot of Jews will vote Republican this year. Bubby's spinning in the great beyond.

Most Jews vote Democratic, and they have for a long time. They have voted in huge majorities for Democratic nominees since FDR created the New Deal. Several Republican nominees since have only occasionally increased Jewish voting percentages. Dwight D. Eisenhower won 40 percent of the Jewish vote against Adlai Stevenson in 1956; Ronald Reagan won 39 percent against Jimmy Carter in 1980 and George H.W. Bush won 35 percent against Michael Dukakis in 1988. He slipped to 11 percent against Bill Clinton.

Although George W. did a little better with 19 percent against Al Gore four years ago, the president should do better in November. Ed Koch, the former mayor of New York who is as partisan as a Democrat comes, is a Bush man this year.

"I do not agree with President Bush on a single major domestic issue," he says, "but in my view those issues pale in comparison with the threat of international terrorism. The stated goal of al-Qaida and its supporters is to kill or convert every infidel, and that means Jews, Christians, Buddhists and everyone else who will not accept Islam's supremacy."

Critics of George W., Jewish and otherwise, complain that he plays to evangelical Christians (among the best friends Israel has), but there's good reason for people of different faiths, including moderate Muslims in America, to encourage the president's strong stand against terrorism.

Ed Koch, like a growing number of his co-religionists, doesn't think a President Kerry could withstand the pressures from the left-wing radicals of his party, no matter how hard they bit their tongues in Boston. These lefties are hostile to Israel, and cultivate strong links to anti-American partisans in Europe, especially in France and Britain.

John Kerry tells Jewish audiences what they want to hear, and when he imagines he's safely out of their sight, flip-flops. During the primaries, in a speech to the Arab-American Institute, he denounced the fence Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was building on the West Bank. "We don't need another barrier to peace," he said.

Eight months later, with the Democratic nomination safely tucked away, he sang a different tune: "The security fence is a legitimate act of self-defense erected in response to the wave of terror attacks against Israeli citizens."

He suggested that he might send Jimmy Carter, the rare evangelical Christian who is not a friend of Israel, to work on Middle East peace negotiations. When that idea bombed, he blamed the "mistake" on his speechwriters. It's not clear whether John Kerry would encourage negotiations with Yasser Arafat, whom he described as a "role model" and "statesman" after the signing of the Oslo accord. How he really feels apparently depends on where he is, and who's listening.

The Republicans count on Jews in America to spot the Kerry weakness as it affects Jewish and Israeli interests. They are actively courting the 500,000 Jews who live in Florida, where a small shift could make a big difference.

Only one in 10 Jews in Florida are thought to have voted for George W. in 2000, but that was before Sept. 11. A spokesman for the Bush-Cheney campaign does the math. "Without Joe Lieberman on the ticket we get a jump," he told the St. Petersburg Times. "Then you add in the president's Israel policies and our grassroots effort . and you can't help but get a big jump."

Many Jews agree with Israel Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who calls President Bush "the best friend Israel ever had." In January, 31 percent of the Jews surveyed in a major poll said they would vote for the president's re-election. The perils of Middle Eastern politics and worldwide terrorism trump everything else.

When Israel destroyed Saddam Hussein's nuclear reactor in 1981, the world universally - and naively - condemned the raid. Had it not been destroyed, there would be no argument today about whether Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. One of the Scuds that landed on Tel Aviv and Kuwait in 1991 would likely have carried a nuclear tip. Saddam, in fact, had shown no mercy when he used poison gas to kill his own Kurds.

Terrorism in the Middle East was used first against the Jews, but the suicide bombers were but a warm-up act for the terrorism against the United States on 9/11. Jews who take pride in their smarts know the stakes this time.

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Todd33

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You can remove Kerry and insert just about any political figure in this trash article.

Everyone plays boths sides of this, they have to for now.
 

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If you post the Jews are voting Republican, then I can take that at face value they are absolutely strong to vote Democrat this year. When you speak, it's affirmation liers are allowed to post at P&N, and you are the poster boy.
 

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Yup. Candidates want to get elected, not win the honor award. The same quotes could be cherry picked out of context from any speech any time, though based on what I saw at that site, they'd all be filthy left-leaners.

Heh, ads for Coulter and Hannity books AND "Unfit for command." Credibility as an objective source out the window.
 
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I've also heard that a lot of Indians (another group that previously strongly supported Democrats), are voting mostly for Bush this time around. Bush's tax cuts for them and Kerry's negative policy on outsourcing have apparently shifted their view.
 

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Rip -- What a crock of drek! I glad don't even recognize half the names from their roster of columnists, but from the ones I do, all I can say is, GIVE US A FREAKING BREAK! :Q

Pat Buchanan -- Former speechwriter for disgraces like Spiro Agnew, and dumb enought to believe it.
William F. Buckley -- A little more interesting, but still way far right.
Neil Cavuto -- Fox < gag > News... 'Nuf said.
Ward Connerly
Ann Coulter -- Queen of bwahahaha... you're kidding, right? I mean FAR right!
David Horowitz
Jack Kemp
Charles Krauthammer
Larry Kudlow -- He and Kramer -- What a pathetic pair of whiners!
David Limbaugh -- Google this one. < blechhhh... >
Oliver North -- who should have been shot for treason for engineering Iran/Contra.
Robert Novak -- who I hope is tried for treason for betraying the identity of of CIA agent.
Dennis Prager -- Credibility about the same as yours, but with a bigger audience.
Phyllis Schlafly
George Will
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Rip -- I'm so tired of telling you, it's about credibility. You almost got me, the other day. It must have been an accident, but you posted an intelligent question, and I replied with a civil answer. Now, you're back to the same old crap, and, as others have already posted, your credibility is shot. :roll:
Originally posted by: Riprorin
They (the democrats) want us to fail as long as President Bush is in charge... Winning elections is all that counts.
It has nothing to do with "wanting." Bush is already a failure. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
 

Riprorin

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Harvey, Suzanne Fields writes a twice weekly column for the Washington Times and is syndicated nationally by the Los Angeles Times syndicate.

What's wrong with this topic? Are you really shocked that Jews are swinging over to Bush?
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
What's wrong with this topic? Are you really shocked that Jews are swinging over to Bush?
Do you really believe it? I may be an atheist, but I'm a Jewish atheist. That is, I come from a Jewish background, and from personal interaction with family, extended family and friend, and my personal friends, I can tell you for a fact, that Suzanne Fields is mashugana if she thinks she speaks for all, or even a significant part, of the Jewish community, especially the part I know on a daily basis.
Originally posted by: Riprorin
They (the democrats) want us to fail as long as President Bush is in charge...
It has nothing to do with "wanting." Bush is already a failure. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

And if you think winning elections is all that counts, (a) you don't have a clue about what really counts, and (b), you are truly pathetic.
 

Riprorin

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Harvey, I don't think that she's claiming to speak for all Jews. She's just making some observations.

Kerry is clearly going to lose some support from the Jewish community if he said that he was for the fence before the nomination and against it after the nomination.
 

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Jewish American's loyalties should be with the US, not Israel, they need to vote for whoever will be better for AMERICA. Just my two cents.
 

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Jewish American's loyalties should be with the US, not Israel...
That's a whole other topic. Israel is easily as much to blame for the current situation in the mid east as anyone, and Sharon should be tried for crimes against humanity, but there's blame enough to spread around.

And before this gets off topic to Israel, and before anyone chews my ass for the statement about Sharon, just search for my previous posts, including links and documentation. I have to run, now, but I'll find them, myself, later, if it matters.
 

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i think its weird that the jews are allying themselves with christians who believe that israel needs to be maintained, so that all jews can be killed during armageddon and sent to hell.
 

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Originally posted by: crazycarl
i think its weird that the jews are allying themselves with christians who believe that israel needs to be maintained, so that all jews can be killed during armageddon and sent to hell.

An irony I've noticed and pointed out as well. Conservative Christian support for Israel is anti-semetic in itself IMO.
 

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Most jews very concerned for israel will no doubt vote for Bush because he absolutely kisses the @ss of any israeli policy in a way that Kerry would never come close to...or should come close to for that matter. As 'Godly' a history that israel/jews have, many of their currently policies are satanic at best.
 

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Listened to a segment on NPR about this. The Democratic and Republicans had their own relatively extreme views of how the votes would go. The rabi that spoke after them had a bit more reason behind him.
 
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So your man is an overt liar who stands for nothing at all but that?s ok, because he?s not bush?

Way to go, that's almost signature worthy.

An irony I've noticed and pointed out as well. Conservative Christian support for Israel is anti-semetic in itself IMO.
what kind of mindless drivel do they have you beliving in?

Supporting Israel is anti Semitic? LOL!

Yea, right!
?Kill a Jew today! It?s the only pro-Jew thing to do!?-W.T.F?!

no wonder they are leaving the democratic party.
 

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Jewish American's loyalties should be with the US, not Israel, they need to vote for whoever will be better for AMERICA. Just my two cents.

They have every right to base their vote on their views in life. If Bush is better for me, then I will vote for Bush. If Kerry is better, then Kerry. If it works out that way, then the canidate with the most votes will be best for America, because he/she got most of the votes.
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Harvey, I don't think that she's claiming to speak for all Jews. She's just making some observations.

Kerry is clearly going to lose some support from the Jewish community if he said that he was for the fence before the nomination and against it after the nomination.

Well I can tell you most of the Jewish vote here in Ohio is going to go to Kerry.
 

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Actually, a surprising number of Florida Jews are sitting on the fence. It's a struggle for them because they've voted Democratic traditionally, but they worry about Kerry's support for Israel and quite a few support the war in Iraq. On the other hand (this argument has about 1,000 hands) Bush has a serious competence problem. I've been arguing with my friend Irwin about this for two years. He voted for Bush and thinks Sharon is OK. Ugh. He agrees that Bush is a complete moron, but likes his policies.

Ah, well, in the end, I think a few more Jews will vote for Bush here in Florida, but Bush will lose Florida because it is becoming more and more Hispanic every day. And support for Bush in the Cuban community is DOWN from 2000 as well.

Anyway, let's see how the markets do this week. (My NASDAQ stocks got creamed on Friday.) I think we are getting to crunch time on the economy. If it doesn't start showing signs of serious improvement a lot of Jews and Gentiles and everyone else will be voting for Kerry.

-Robert
 

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Originally posted by: jjsole
Most jews very concerned for israel will no doubt vote for Bush because he absolutely kisses the @ss of any israeli policy in a way that Kerry would never come close to...or should come close to for that matter. As 'Godly' a history that israel/jews have, many of their currently policies are satanic at best.

which satanic policies does bush support that you dont think he should?
 

Wag

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what kind of mindless drivel do they have you beliving in?
It's called Christian Zionism, and I suggest you Google it. Plenty of information on it.

Strange, but true.
 

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Ed Koch, like a growing number of his...
Speaking of Ed Koch, Jeff Jacoby of the Boston Globe, recently spoke with him.:

[Hat tip: Charles Johnson]

"I've never before supported a Republican for president," Koch told me last week. "But I'm doing so this time because of the one issue that trumps everything else: international terrorism. In my judgment, the Democratic Party just doesn't have the stomach to stand up to the terrorists. But Bush is a fighter."
 
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