Florida election officials think it **might** be time for a new voting system

Sluggo

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They are considering a touch screen system, wonderful, for a nation of people whos VCR's blink 12:00 a technical system. This should be good
 

Czar

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Oct 9, 1999
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Think these elections have prooven that the current system does not work, its time for a change.
 

GuruMogens

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I find it very funny, that this happend in the US, but then again all strange thing do. Come on all you Anandtech users, fight for your country

Well they could just use a simple list very U vote by writing a cross, very simple and I work.
 

dc

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Nov 26, 1999
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dude, scantrons would be even worse.

imagining people complaining that the machines didn't read their vote because they didn't fill it in nicely or something. or if they don't use a no.2 pencil. oh crap. nightmares.
 

spencer

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<< Think these elections have prooven that the current system does not work >>



It has proven that some people(democrats and republicans) don't know how to follow instructions. The percentage of undervotes was close to the percentage it is every year no matter what kind of ballots they used. I do agree that there has to be a better way of voting, but no matter how easy you make voting, there are still gonna be undervotes. Some people don't give a rat's ass for the candidates. The real question is
How come thousands of Military personel didn't even get a ballot? Why did Gore keep saying every vote counts but then him and his people kept trying to disqualify damn near all absentee ballots? Why do they keep saying that Gore got the popular vote when not everyones vote counted and some states didn't even count the absentee ballots? Why did 7 of 9 US Supreme Court Justices think that the hand recounts in Florida was unfair?
 

Czar

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spencer

Very unfair, politics should never go so high in the ladder. Judges should not be in any party, if they would join a party they should be dismissed.
 

spencer

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<< Very unfair, politics should never go so high in the ladder. Judges should not be in any party >>



True. There was a mandatory recount and Bush still won. Gore should have never been able to go to the Florida Supreme Court and get them to issue hand recounts in so called &quot;Democrat Districts&quot;. Everything the Florida Supreme Court did was against the law, 7 of 9 US Supreme Court Justices agree that it was unfair.
 

3615buck

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We use touch screens here (with an optical pen, not with your finger) and it rocks ! Fast and reliable.
 

hans007

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they should just have it like an ATM machine. You know a small little screen there, with numbers. You choose which number it is. Cant be that hard, I could probably program the thing in a week or so if i knew how to program some dedicated thing like that in C++. really now, if a person couldn't figure out how to use an ATM machine (like press 1 for checking, 2 for savings) then they really shouldn't be allowed to vote . They have to make it as easy as using a TV , and idiot proof to setup at all the voting places. Like colorcoded numbered wires, all that make a phone call or like setup on a satelite network (what are they gonna use iridium for right? hehe) to a central server somewhere on a closed network (unlike the internet, like a BBS from the old days). The little terminals would also make a paper print out sheet for each persons vote on a laser printer or something , it would just need to be a string of numbers that they used to vote or something. They should give you a little ID care with a magnetic strip when you register to vote too, so you slide it in the machine so you can only vote once. The strip automatically gets erased once it gets read, so if you tried to copy it it would erase too . And all this stuff would be encrypted in RSA or something.

What i'm saying is all too practical and would probably save millions of dollars, so i'm sure the government wont even do a feasabililty study.
 

Czar

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Why not a touch screen that has like the candiates name to the left and then two boxes on the right to each candiate, one for voting and one fingerprint scanner for confirmation, very safe and reliable.
 

etech

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Oct 9, 1999
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I think the system should have a hard copy. Total electronic balloting would be open to fraud. The Opt-Scan systems seem to be the best that I have seen.
They have two carrets < > for each candidate. You use a large felt tip marker to draw a line between them <-----> . Hard to mess up. If you double vote the machine you put the ballot in will beep and reject it. If you choose not to vote for a candidate that is your choice.

There would be no problems with a hand count. If there is no mark, there is no vote.
 

spencer

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That's all fine and dandy but wouldn't Jesse Jackson be able to accuse the progamers of being predjudice?
 

yakko

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hans007,

Like punch ballots are harder than an ATM.



The scantron idea is very good and is used by a lot of voting districts across the country. They are better than the punch ballots because they is no chance of a mark appearing by normal handling like chads that can be knocked out. If you can't figure out a scantron ballot you should not be allowed to vote.
 

SuperTool

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I think this is long overdue. It saves time on counting, and you can see who you are voting for before you commit.
 

Sluggo

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We actually have the Opt-scan system here where I live. It is an excellent system. If you dont vote correctly, the machine shoots it right back into your hand the second you put it in. That way if you muss it up, you can re-do your vote then and there, while your old ballot is destroyed. Ours has a large arrow with the middle part missing pointing directly at the candiate.

George Bush <-- ---<

Al Gore <-- ---<

Ralph Nader <-- ---<


All you have to do is draw a line to the complete the arrow for the candiate you choose. Damn near idiot-proof.
So a completed ballot would look like this:

George Bush <---------<

Al Gore <-- ---<

Ralph Nader <-- ---<

The ballot then goes into a machine which counts the ballots and drops the hard copy into a locked bin. The machine registers the votes as well as the number of ballots it has counted, enabling election officials to count that number against the number of people who signed the voter printout. Wonderful system.

The space is actually bigger than that, the forums just take out wasted spaces


 

DABANSHEE

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Dec 8, 1999
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Haven't you bloody Americans learnt the KISS system - Keep It Simple Stupid.

This means no bloody machines, period. If Australia (&amp; also virtually the rest of the democratic world) can do hand counted paper ballots, then so can the US.

The only reason they use machine systems in the US is to cut costs, but the simple fact is they arn't as good (they invalidate more votes then hand counts do, they intimidate &amp; confuse a good percentage of voters &amp; they increase the odds of something fuking up (murphy's law)

Look at the mess, as well as the fuked up punch card machines you have counties with lever machines, other with optical machines, toggle switch machines, push button machines &amp; also touch screen systems too. Then there are places like Oregon where all votes are of the mail in variety (which obviously discriminates against the homeless &amp; disorginised). The simple fact is that huge numbers of people are intimidated with this complicated mess that's one of the reasons why most Americans don't vote &amp; why the US has about the lowest voter turnout in the OECD.

Its as if the bureaucracy in the US are on purposefully trying to discourage the masses from voting.

The only way to go is to Keep It Simple Stupid. Which means aiming at the lowest common denominator &amp; designing a system that they stupidist suimplton can understand.

Which means 'X marks the spot' hand ballots.


That means a peice of paper with the candidates listed in a columne &amp; another columne of boxes on the side with just one box next to each candidate.

Here are a couple of examples of 'KISS' paper ballots, the 1st one is an example of an Australian preferential ballot (any Americans who support 3rd parties should be demanding that the US system be made either preferential or proportional, otherwise no 3rd parties will ever make any long term headway), the 2nd ballot is an example of an ''X' marks the spot' ballot.

As far as counting goes the US should be doing what Australia does (&amp; most of the rest of the developed world does similar) &amp; holding the vote on a saturday &amp; using local schools as voting centres. Then leasing indoor stadiums &amp; convention centres nationwide which are to be used as counting centres for the thousands of temp workers employed to count the votes. Each counter also has a Labour &amp; conservative scrutineer looking over his/her shoulders.

Sure its labour intensive, but as any UN election observer will tell you this is the best system if you want high turnouts with low rates of invalid votes &amp; a result that's as accurate as can be, by Monday morning at the latest (actually in the vast majority of elections we know who's won by about 8pm the same night).

Also all politicians must be removed from any decision making processes as far as the running of elections are concerned, etc.

Look at the way democratic afiliated local officials OKed the hand count iin Palm Beach &amp; then the Republican Florida SoS blocked the hand count (&amp; she was Bush's co-campaign manager, which makes it an even worse conflict of interest). That sort of thing is unheard of in Australia. Where an Independent Australian Electoral Commision administers federal elections &amp; the various state electoral commisions administers state &amp; local elections.

No politions are involved anywhere in the decision making process (except for calling the date of the election). As far as recounts, re-votes, referendums (in Australia politions can't amend the constitution, only the people can through referendums. Where a majority of the total votes &amp; a majority in a majority of states, responds 'yes' to the amendment) &amp; by-elections, etc are concerned only the electoral commision can make decisions regarding them. Although anyone can appeal to the commision's court, for a recount or re vote or something. Whether such appeals are successful depends on the situation.
 

cxim

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Once again daba, you misunderstand the USA &amp; what happens &amp; why...

The reason the US moved away from hand count ballots was corruption... The good ole He who counts the votes wins the election stuff.

You have no data to support # invalid votes of hand ballots vrs machines, if you did you would have linked it..

There is no 'complicated mess'... that intimidates voters...

The screw up rate with punch cards is about 3%... this is not because the machine is bad... it is because about 3% are too dumb to do it right.

A good example is what happened in Dade county Fl... The democrats told voters to vote on 'every page'. The presidential election took 2 pages. Several thousand democrats did not know how many people were on the ballot for president. They never looked at the sample ballot sent to them in the mail &amp; published in the local news paper...

This was not confusing...

How does 3% stupid people translate to 'discourage the masses from voting' ????

Punch a hole next to the candidate you want to vote for, is pretty simple too.

Schools are used, in the US, for voting places, along with churches... all in the local neighborhood, so what ???

I take it that you read the letters of the various boards, requesting extra time ? for a hand count ?

It is quite clear that you do not understand how the system works in the US...

All the crap that went on, occured because Gore decided to try a 'fast one'... The democrats had pulled this magic trick before. If he had played straight &amp; not tried to manipulate the system... he may have won... may have, mind you..

As it was, he got his knuckles rapped &amp; lost the election.
 

Czar

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Oct 9, 1999
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Whats also stupid is called this &quot;the presidental elections&quot; because you aint voting who is going to be president, you are voting for the candiates who choose the president.
 
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