Florida High School Shooting

[ivwshane]

Remember when the general consensus was that black people were inferior and should be kept separate from white people? How much of our history had that mentality? 150 years? How much of that type of thinking still exists? If we can change as a country from a majority racist country I think we can get over the gun culture that is unique to our country that has only been the American way for less than 50 years.

Nah, who am I kidding, we aren't capable of bettering ourselves and this country.

 

[brycejones]

The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting.

The gun nutters dream of a war against their own government and its military. Silly fucks think the macho guns are a match for tanks, guided missiles, apache attack choppers, etc... This is not hyperbole, this is their reality.

See: rudder

 

[TheVrolok]

https://youtu.be/LORVfnFtcH0

 

[ch33zw1z]

https://youtu.be/LORVfnFtcH0

Exactly.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Speaking of bump stocks...whatever happened to the bump stock ban bill?? Seriously, what happened? Didn't the NRA actually come out in favor of banning bump stocks in the wake of the Vegas shooting? Weren't Republicans working on that bill? It was the hollowest of empty gestures to "do something" about guns...and the bill DISAPPEARED. Seriously, we couldn't even get bump stocks done??

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-bumpstock-ban-20180212-story.html

I just got a sales ad from slide fire as they are having a Valentine's Day sale. This whole buy a gun for your loved one really does appeal to that segment of the population. I'm glad the shooter wasn't sporting one on his rifle when those kids piled out of their classrooms.

 

[SlowSpyder]

fuck the fuck off you gun fucking fuckwit.

Do you think guns make it harder to cause harm? Explain your comment.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Luckily for sane Americans that understand why the 2A is so important, posts on overly left AT P&N are no better than thoughts and prayers.

I tried to donate to the NRA this morning, seems like the site was having an issue. But they should have some of my money today, if not tomorrow. When the libs want to discuss actual good ideas to help curb gun violence, let me know. But until that time, while they're still talking about semi-auto bans, capacity bans, suppressor bans, "assault weapons" bans, suing manufacturers, ammo bans / taxes, and other do nothing feel good garbage that harms the rights of all of us, they'll continue to face very stiff opposition.

 

[ch33zw1z]

^^ For people like Slow, the death toll simply doesn't matter. The frequency of events simply doesn't matter. The fact that this admin rolls back protections making mental health status less likely to exempt patients from owning killing machines doesn't matter. The fact that the 2A was written long before technology advances occurred simply doesn't matter. Just sit back and claim that nothing can be done, it's too soon to discuss limitations on people or guns....send some thoughts and prayers, I'm sure all those victims are in a better place.

It's all about their feels. They feel like the big ole federal government can still be kept in check with their pew-pew tubes. Like somehow when the tanks roll in it's gonna matter. They get a nice little high from clutching their killing machines, it's an addiction like any other.

Keep it real america, because death is real.

 

[Linux23]

What number do we have to surpass? 100 dead? 1000?

 

[fskimospy]

Considering how enraged Trump and his supporters were about an illegal immigrant killing someone in a car wreck a little while back I’m sure they are absolutely incandescent with rage about a white person killing 17 times as many people. Right?

...right?

 

[HomerJS]

Luckily for sane Americans that understand why the 2A is so important, posts on overly left AT P&N are no better than thoughts and prayers.

I tried to donate to the NRA this morning, seems like the site was having an issue. But they should have some of my money today, if not tomorrow. When the libs want to discuss actual good ideas to help curb gun violence, let me know. But until that time, while they're still talking about semi-auto bans, capacity bans, suppressor bans, "assault weapons" bans, suing manufacturers, ammo bans / taxes, and other do nothing feel good garbage that harms the rights of all of us, they'll continue to face very stiff opposition.

Because this thread is littered with your ideas on mitigating mass shootings, school shootings, gun violence /s. You are so full of shit can't recognize your own stench.

Meanwhile you should be happy, do nothing will rule the day again and school killings will continue.

BTW - When you care to educate yourself look up sometime the real reason for the 2A. Hint:it has nothing to do with defending yourself against the federal government

 

[Puffnstuff]

^^ For people like Slow, the death toll simply doesn't matter. The frequency of events simply doesn't matter. The fact that this admin rolls back protections making mental health status less likely to exempt patients from owning killing machines doesn't matter. The fact that the 2A was written long before technology advances occurred simply doesn't matter. Just sit back and claim that nothing can be done, it's too soon to discuss limitations on people or guns....send some thoughts and prayers, I'm sure all those victims are in a better place.

It's all about their feels. They feel like the big ole federal government can still be kept in check with their pew-pew tubes. Like somehow when the tanks roll in it's gonna matter. They get a nice little high from clutching their killing machines, it's an addiction like any other.

Keep it real america, because death is real.

Its really sad that kids have to be trained to resist an active shooter at school instead of worrying about the normal things like a fire or even a severe storm blowing up on them. I want to know why that school did not seemingly have an armed deputy on the grounds. When I lived in Pensacola we had deputies at schools and they have them here in Duval County specifically for school enforcement.

 

[HomerJS]

Considering how enraged Trump and his supporters were about an illegal immigrant killing someone in a car wreck a little while back I’m sure they are absolutely incandescent with rage about a white person killing 17 times as many people. Right?

...right?

Can up imagine the right wing uproar if immigrants has committed these shootings? Ironically immigrant crime is lower then the native born citizens.

 

[fskimospy]

Can up imagine the right wing uproar if immigrants has committed these shootings? Ironically immigrant crime is lower then the native born citizens.

No need to imagine. Go look at Trump’s reactions to the Las Vegas shooting or this one. He emphasizes mental health and sympathy for the victims when the perpetrator is white.

Then go look at San Bernardino or the NYC truck terror attack. Then the perpetrators are ‘degenerates’, ‘savages’ and ‘animals’. Remember though, totally not a racist.

 

[HomerJS]

No need to imagine. Go look at Trump’s reactions to the Las Vegas shooting or this one. He emphasizes mental health and sympathy for the victims when the perpetrator is white.

Then go look at San Bernardino or the NYC truck terror attack. Then the perpetrators are ‘degenerates’, ‘savages’ and ‘animals’. Remember though, totally not a racist.

Oddly enough ol' diarrhea mouth is kinda quiet about this. Twitter fingers broken, dirtbag?? We need new names for these Republicans..

President Let's do nothing
Senator Let's do nothing
Congressman Let's do nothing.

Not true not true. Well ok what do you propose to do? Uuuugh...

 

[Puffnstuff]

No need to imagine. Go look at Trump’s reactions to the Las Vegas shooting or this one. He emphasizes mental health and sympathy for the victims when the perpetrator is white.

Then go look at San Bernardino or the NYC truck terror attack. Then the perpetrators are ‘degenerates’, ‘savages’ and ‘animals’. Remember though, totally not a racist.

Not surprising if you look at how he defends his own deplorables when they are exposed. If they'd been associated with a Democrat the WH spin machine would've went ballistic with it to the point of knocking the earth off its axis.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Trumps comments this morning highlight his ignorance and, inadvertently, point to the glaring problems that currently exist with addressing this kind of violence.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!

So neighbors are supposed to deal with it. What do they do? If they call the police what can they do? If they seized his guns we know how the right would react. What if he gets mental health assistance to deal with his issues (which I'm hearing this guy had)? He can still get the guns. The mental health expert he is seeing, the one with the greatest window into his state of mind, can't even fucking ask if he owns any guns. Know the reason they'd want to ask that? To see if he's a god damn danger to anyone based on their interpretation of his state of mind.

So explain to me what the fucking neighbors are supposed to do. Trumps stupidity just highlights then entire underlying problem.

Oh and to add.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ng-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

Fuck you, President dickbag.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

A gun that has magazines that can hold 30 to 100 rounds has very little in common with a hunting rifle.

From a physics standpoint, it has everything in common with a hunting rifle, ammo count notwithstanding. The mechanics behind killing a 150lb human and a 150lb deer are pretty much identical.

Now help me understand something. What cheap crap from Walmart would have allowed the Vegas shooter to do what he did? What other than the high capacity 100 round magazines and bump stock modifications would have allowed him to shoot over 600 people from hundreds of yards away?

All these other options and yet he still chose 14 AR-15s and 7 AR-10s. Or was that only because they looked scary? Not really a functional, tactical choice?

Yes, again, modifications nothwithstanding. The picture I was commenting on was a 'normal' AR-15, aka a semi-automatic rifle that fires one of a myriad of calibers, probably a .223 or 5.56 round. AR-15 was chosen likely because they're very common, have kind of become a defacto weapon for modifications (making said mods very inexpensive due to economies of scale), and because they can field a round quite capable of killing people at hundreds of yards away when spraying on them from above, or on the case of this incident, when spraying at them down a crowded hallway.

Any given large caliber (greater than a .22) would have a similar enough stopping power to an AR-15 with equivalent ammunition that you'd be hard pressed to notice a difference on a corpse. As for your question regarding quantity of ammunition, here's a nice AR-556 sold by Academy Sports & Outdoors (you may have seen/heard their commercials, if you're in the US Southeast):
https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-ar-556-556-semiautomatic-rifle#repChildCatid=1364736
And here's a nice mixed selection of rifles, pistols, and shotguns, all equally capable of taking the life of a human, and most look pretty black and scary to boot. I have no doubt that you could find a myriad of clip/magazine sizes available for any/all:
https://www.academy.com/shop/browse/outdoors/shooting/firearms/modern-sporting-rifles--1

To clarify my point, there's little difference between a hunting rifle which can carry more than x rounds, a hunting rifle which cannot carry more than x rounds but has an easily removable clip/magazine and a practiced shooter, and a 'military rifle' with the same limitations.

Now, there are options to limit accessibility to this, but you've got a severe uphill battle in the US to make something like that a 'thing', I'm talking generations of time would be spent attempting to halt access to ammunition clips, weapons, etc.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Now is not the time to talk about gun control

Gov. Scott had the balls to use that one

The shooting rekindled the debate over gun laws, and Florida Gov. Rick Scott was asked multiple times at a 9 p.m. news conference whether this tragedy marked a needed change.

Scott said there is a time and place for that conversation but this was not it, adding he concluded the whole incident was just "pure evil."

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Speaking of bump stocks...whatever happened to the bump stock ban bill?? Seriously, what happened? Didn't the NRA actually come out in favor of banning bump stocks in the wake of the Vegas shooting? Weren't Republicans working on that bill? It was the hollowest of empty gestures to "do something" about guns...and the bill DISAPPEARED. Seriously, we couldn't even get bump stocks done??

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-bumpstock-ban-20180212-story.html

Perfect example, bump stocks never even ended up getting the boot, and I don't know that anyone was even seriously defending them, since they only seem to exist to expressly circumvent a full-auto ban.

 

[HomerJS]

Trumps comments this morning highlight his ignorance and, inadvertently, point to the glaring problems that currently exist with addressing this kind of violence.



So neighbors are supposed to deal with it. What do they do? If they call the police what can they do? If they seized his guns we know how the right would react. What if he gets mental health assistance to deal with his issues (which I'm hearing this guy had)? He can still get the guns. The mental health expert he is seeing, the one with the greatest window into his state of mind, can't even fucking ask if he owns any guns. Know the reason they'd want to ask that? To see if he's a god damn danger to anyone based on their interpretation of his state of mind.

So explain to me what the fucking neighbors are supposed to do. Trumps stupidity just highlights then entire underlying problem.

This pretty sums up the ignorance permeating the 2A extremist side.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Heavily regulated? I can go to my local convenience store and pick up a carton of Marlboros anytime I want. No background check. I can hand packs of smokes out to kids and not go to jail. I'm sure that a lot of stores sell them to underage kids as well.

btw, I don't do cigs. Nasty disgusting things. Way too expensive too.

We do, which is why there's extensive regulation of cigarettes, far-ranging research into their effects and marketing campaigns discouraging use. Imagine if we applied that to guns!

 

[MomentsofSanity]

From a physics standpoint, it has everything in common with a hunting rifle, ammo count notwithstanding. The mechanics behind killing a 150lb human and a 150lb deer are pretty much identical.


Yes, again, modifications nothwithstanding. The picture I was commenting on was a 'normal' AR-15, aka a semi-automatic rifle that fires one of a myriad of calibers, probably a .223 or 5.56 round. AR-15 was chosen likely because they're very common, have kind of become a defacto weapon for modifications (making said mods very inexpensive due to economies of scale), and because they can field a round quite capable of killing people at hundreds of yards away when spraying on them from above, or on the case of this incident, when spraying at them down a crowded hallway.

Any given large caliber (greater than a .22) would have a similar enough stopping power to an AR-15 with equivalent ammunition that you'd be hard pressed to notice a difference on a corpse. As for your question regarding quantity of ammunition, here's a nice AR-556 sold by Academy Sports & Outdoors (you may have seen/heard their commercials, if you're in the US Southeast):
https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-ar-556-556-semiautomatic-rifle#repChildCatid=1364736
And here's a nice mixed selection of rifles, pistols, and shotguns, all equally capable of taking the life of a human, and most look pretty black and scary to boot. I have no doubt that you could find a myriad of clip/magazine sizes available for any/all:
https://www.academy.com/shop/browse/outdoors/shooting/firearms/modern-sporting-rifles--1

To clarify my point, there's little difference between a hunting rifle which can carry more than x rounds, a hunting rifle which cannot carry more than x rounds but has an easily removable clip/magazine and a practiced shooter, and a 'military rifle' with the same limitations.

Now, there are options to limit accessibility to this, but you've got a severe uphill battle in the US to make something like that a 'thing', I'm talking generations of time would be spent attempting to halt access to ammunition clips, weapons, etc.

And yet we end up with the same weapons being used every time. And It's not just about stopping power. It's about the ability to spray massive amounts of ammunition down range in a very short amount of time. Try doing what he did with a bolt-action hunting rifle. Try even arguing you reasonably could.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

And yet we end up with the same weapons being used every time. And It's not just about stopping power. It's about the ability to spray massive amounts of ammunition down range in a very short amount of time. Try doing what he did with a bolt-action hunting rifle. Try even arguing you reasonably could.

I'm not saying you could, that's absurd. I'm pointing out the fact that most sporting goods stores carry weapons more than capable of doing this, that aren't 'AR-15's' or even stylistically similar to an AR-15. AR-15 has ended up just becoming a common weapon type, before that was AK-47's. I'm sure in another decade or two it'll be some other LETTER-NUMBER. Unless you're going to fight the good fight, and ban every non-bolt action rifle (have fun with that one) you're just spinning your wheels focusing on a specific weapon type.

These weapons are picked because they're cheap. They're cheap because of economies of scale, because like 10% of the US owns one.

 

[K1052]

Perfect example, bump stocks never even ended up getting the boot, and I don't know that anyone was even seriously defending them, since they only seem to exist to expressly circumvent a full-auto ban.

Some states are moving to ban them since it's apparent congress won't do anything. You could kill every single person in a medium sized state with bump stocks and our government still probably wouldn't act.

We have a problem.