Florida High School Shooting

[SMOGZINN]

After hearing some interviews with some of the kids on NPR, it was pretty clear that this was indeed the long-term goal of many of them. "We will be old enough to vote soon" was heard several times. Part of the goal of the protests is as a "get out to vote" deal, at least with some of them. Good. We have enough old motivated voters, let's get some young motivated ones.

I hope it happens, but honestly I doubt it. This is not the first time that the youth have been riled up over an issue and pledged to 'turn out the vote', and it has never materialized. Protesting is fun and exciting. It is rebelling. It is social, something they can do together. News crews show up and talk about what you are doing. It feel like you are doing something constructive.

But voting is boring and a bit of a hassle. It is ultimately done in private. There is no immediate feedback, and when it does come more often than not you actually get negative feedback in the form of your side losing.

 

[Noah Abrams]

So this creature will spend at least 10-15 years as a guest of Joe the tax payer. Because we are a civilized society and we follow due process.

But we are also such a civilized society that anyone can freely get all sorts of weapons of mass killing.

As you can see there is no liberal or conservative bent in this post. Just pointing out the absurdity and ridiculousness of it all.

 

[SMOGZINN]

So this creature will spend at least 10-15 years as a guest of Joe the tax payer. Because we are a civilized society and we follow due process.

Actually this is probably a good thing. There is a lot we can learn from studying him and what lead to his actions.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Actually this is probably a good thing. There is a lot we can learn from studying him and what lead to his actions.

There is a whole body of research on psychopathy already. Contrary to media / Hollywood, most are not violent. But perhaps more destructive in other ways. They are on the surface just regular people - school teacher, corporate executive, anyone really. I know two of them personally, to my great misfortune.

But any institute that wants to research him should do it on its own resources. The tax payer should not be paying for it.

 

[SMOGZINN]

There is a whole body of research on psychopathy already. Contrary to media / Hollywood, most are not violent. But perhaps more destructive in other ways. They are on the surface just regular people - school teacher, corporate executive, anyone really. I know two of them personally, to my great misfortune.

We never have enough research on this topic. You might be surprised to know that humans are rather complex, and we are always learning. And as you said, most are not violent, he is a rare case, there is always something to be learned from the edge cases.

But any institute that wants to research him should do it on its own resources. The tax payer should not be paying for it.

Most of the institutes that want to research him are already paid for by taxpayers.

 

[purbeast0]

I just came across this as it was released pretty recently.

 

[sandorski]

Schizophrenia.

 

[purbeast0]

As awful as what that kid did is, and how he deserves everything he gets, etc, I can't help but feel for him when he is breaking down as his brother is hugging him. The kid has big time issues. I wonder if I would have felt if I had seen this years ago before I was a parent.

 

[Muse]

Schizophrenia.

Yeah, convincingly. Apparently, he really lost it when his mom died.

 

[umbrella39]

As awful as what that kid did is, and how he deserves everything he gets, etc, I can't help but feel for him when he is breaking down as his brother is hugging him. The kid has big time issues. I wonder if I would have felt if I had seen this years ago before I was a parent.

Just imagine how many kids are in his exact shoes right now who aren't being treated and are just ticking time bombs... If truly schizophrenic then I most certainly feel for him and would have at any age...

Sad. Probably would have been mitigatable if not preventable...

 

[Lanyap]

Second by second detailed analysis of the shooting. A lot more problems with the response than we thought.

UNPREPARED AND OVERWHELMED

 

[Muse]

Second by second detailed analysis of the shooting. A lot more problems with the response than we thought.

UNPREPARED AND OVERWHELMED

Pathetic in nearly every aspect, except for the heroics of 2-3 individuals who were not police, security or response team participants, but teachers at the school.

 

[shortylickens]

Pathetic in nearly every aspect, except for the heroics of 2-3 individuals who were not police, security or response team participants, but teachers at the school.

I've been reading quite a few articles on mass shootings the last couple weeks. Apparently the vast majority of them are NOT stopped by police. They are stopped by unarmed civilians who saw an opportunity and took it. this is especially true in school shootings.

 

[TheVrolok]

I've been reading quite a few articles on mass shootings the last couple weeks. Apparently the vast majority of them are NOT stopped by police. They are stopped by unarmed civilians who saw an opportunity and took it. this is especially true in school shootings.

Sounds to me like we need more good guys with guns. Crystal clear conclusion.

 

[Muse]

Sounds to me like we need more good guys with guns. Crystal clear conclusion.

As far as I'm concerned, there are no good guys with guns.

 

[Sunburn74]

I've been reading quite a few articles on mass shootings the last couple weeks. Apparently the vast majority of them are NOT stopped by police. They are stopped by unarmed civilians who saw an opportunity and took it. this is especially true in school shootings.

Really?
That seems counterintuitive to what is commonly known about mass shootings especially when we define mass shootings in this country as 4 or more deaths with a large portion being shootings in private homes.
In fact, i can't think of the last mass shooting that was stopped by a civilian at all. Maybe that texas church case but even then not clearly stopped by the civilian shooter. I would have thought most shooting were stopped by either police or the shooter himself.

 

[shortylickens]

As far as I'm concerned, there are no good guys with guns.

Then how are we supposed to police our country at home and defend our country abroad?

 

[Homerboy]

And Louis CCK is in more hot water:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/31/entertainment/louis-ck-parkland-audio-trnd/index.html

 

[TheVrolok]

And Louis CCK is in more hot water:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/31/entertainment/louis-ck-parkland-audio-trnd/index.html

Would need to see/hear the bit in context. Judging a bit by a written selection is dubious.

 

[Sunburn74]

Would need to see/hear the bit in context. Judging a bit by a written selection is dubious.

I'm a big fan of LCK in general but this one disturbed me. Seems like a weird way to try and resurrect a dying career. Even more so the argument he was posing wasn't even credible either logically or from a pure comedy standpoint. Just a dumbass move.

 

[TheVrolok]

I'm a big fan of LCK in general but this one disturbed me. Seems like a weird way to try and resurrect a dying career. Even more so the argument he was posing wasn't even credible either logically or from a pure comedy standpoint. Just a dumbass move.

Very possibly, but don't know if this was tongue in cheek or sarcastic, or what he said before or after.

 

[paperfist]

Sounds to me like we need more good guys with guns. Crystal clear conclusion.

Sounded like the first 8 or 9 people the shooter encountered chose to look the other way. I’m not sure a gun would cause them to grow balls and shoot a kid.

Even that POS trained cop with a gun fled and those police from another county sheltered in place.

 

[TheVrolok]

Sounded like the first 8 or 9 people the shooter encountered chose to look the other way. I’m not sure a gun would cause them to grow balls and shoot a kid.

Even that POS trained cop with a gun fled as well as all those from another county.

I'm perplexed. I was under the impression that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. I mean that logic is pretty infallible.

 

[paperfist]

I'm perplexed. I was under the impression that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. I mean that logic is pretty infallible.

So why weren't you there with your cape and soundtrack to save the day?

 

[TheVrolok]

So why weren't you there with your cape and soundtrack to save the day?

I don't carry guns.