Florida High School Shooting

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woolfe9998

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Second by second detailed analysis of the shooting. A lot more problems with the response than we thought.

UNPREPARED AND OVERWHELMED

Wow that is sad. I heard about the one campus officer who basically froze up and hid for the entire 45 minutes, but I had no idea that the police didn't even go into the building after they got there, at least not until the shooter had left the school. They really let those kids down.
 

Muse

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Then how are we supposed to police our country at home and defend our country abroad?
In this culture, maybe we can't. I'm for disarming the public and law enforcement, the way they do in England. Almost 1/2 the guns in public hands in the world are in the hands of people in the USA. We are a land of lunatics.
 

TheVrolok

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In this culture, maybe we can't. I'm for disarming the public and law enforcement, the way they do in England. Almost 1/2 the guns in public hands in the world are in the hands of people in the USA. We are a land of lunatics.
Well that's because the rest of the world lacks freedom, silly.
 

Muse

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Well that's because the rest of the world lacks freedom, silly.
Dunno, that seems ass backward. You think guns make you free? I don't know who's spoon feeding you that malarkey. NRA fronters, the shame!
 

esquared

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I'm perplexed. I was under the impression that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. I mean that logic is pretty infallible.
You can't use logic with the rabid 2a crowd.
My guess is they would say there weren't enough good guys with guns. If everyobe was armed
Dunno, that seems ass backward. You think guns make you free? I don't know who's spoon feeding you that malarkey. NRA fronters, the shame!
Your sarcasm meter needs a new battery.
 

Indus

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pmv

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In this culture, maybe we can't. I'm for disarming the public and law enforcement, the way they do in England. Almost 1/2 the guns in public hands in the world are in the hands of people in the USA. We are a land of lunatics.


And yet we (in UK) still get periodic calls here to arm the police. Most bizarrely in the recent fuss about the uptick in stabbings. Some people seemed to think that having a few cops stroll around visibly carrying guns would somehow magically change that. As if it were cops that were being stabbed.

Of course part of the problem is that there aren't any cops on the streets at all because Theresa May sacked them all to save money (OK, slight exaggeration, but it does intrigue me how the current conservatives are much more hostile to the police than were the Thatcher lot - the Tories now seem to view them as just another part of the state, ripe for being privatised).

I really think it's a tough problem that's mathematically like the US is trapped in a 'local minima'. To change anything about the situation requires changing all of it. Other countries are lucky in not being stuck in that 'well' in the first place. Especially island countries who can better control the flow of guns into the place (hello New Zealand). But when you are in it it's clearly very tough to climb out.

Which is why I find it infuriatingly stupid when people here (in UK) call for us to start sliding into that hole by arming the cops. It's much easier to slip into that well than it is to get out again.
 
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Amused

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I just read about that.

PTSD is a real challenge for everyone.. and most of the sufferers can't seem to get the help they need.

I've had it twice. The first time I had it, took 3 years to fully get over it.

This graphic is really true.

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PTSD isn't something you ever "get over." You at best learn to live with it and it becomes your new "normal."

There are many accommodations my wife has to make to fit my "normal." The first one she learned is to be across the room when she wakes me up.
 

Muse

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Some people seemed to think that having a few cops stroll around visibly carrying guns would somehow magically change that. As if it were cops that were being stabbed.

...the Tories now seem to view them as just another part of the state, ripe for being privatised).
The mass shootings we've been seeing are orders of magnitude more treacherous than any stabbing incidents (since Attila the Hun).

Privatizing law enforcement is a horrible idea, anywhere. Private militias, too.
 

Indus

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PTSD isn't something you ever "get over." You at best learn to live with it and it becomes your new "normal."

There are many accommodations my wife has to make to fit my "normal." The first one she learned is to be across the room when she wakes me up.

I can sorta agree with that and I sympathize. Without going into details (you may already know by my posts), it is hard and we still have flash backs. Sometimes I just want to punch a wall or something else, but I try to calm myself down by trying to distract myself. To others it may seem like I'm just mumbling but I'm trying to calm myself down.

You are right about wife making many accommodations.. I feel that's the case for me too. Most others don't understand at all but she does. I don't think any one else would put up with my ptsd episodes.

And she has the PTSD too on the second traumatic experience for her. She still has nightmares and I know not to wake her up.. just give her water and something to relax when she wakes up. Strangely her citizenship test was a huge distraction if you can call it that.. she had to focus on that but she aced it. Gym tended to make her aggressive so instead I opted for us going on walks to stay healthy.

Hopefully we'll both get through it bro. The only thing that truly helps are time and doing relaxing things.
 

Muse

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Ban the guns. It's gun-headed America at fault. The NRA is the enemy.
 
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UNCjigga

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Ban the guns. It's gun-headed America at fault. The NRA is the enemy.

No, suicides after the fact probably have a lot more to do with the politicians and leaders who failed to do anything in the aftermath of such a horrific attack.

Who knows what actually led to the Sandy Hook father’s suicide, but I wouldn’t blame him for looking at how quickly New Zealand changed their laws, and thinking somehow he and the other parents had somehow “failed”.
 
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No, suicides after the fact probably have a lot more to do with the politicians and leaders who failed to do anything in the aftermath of such a horrific attack.

Who knows what actually led to the Sandy Hook father’s suicide, but I wouldn’t blame him for looking at how quickly New Zealand changed their laws, and thinking somehow he and the other parents had somehow “failed”.
Not to mention the families of Sandy Hook have been victimized every day since it happened by the right wing conspiracy machine. Denied their children existed. Having their pain and suffering called imaginary.

How can you heal in the face of such constant barrage?
 
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Muse

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No, suicides after the fact probably have a lot more to do with the politicians and leaders who failed to do anything in the aftermath of such a horrific attack.

Who knows what actually led to the Sandy Hook father’s suicide, but I wouldn’t blame him for looking at how quickly New Zealand changed their laws, and thinking somehow he and the other parents had somehow “failed”.
You're in denial just like 90+% of Americans. We need more than gun control, we need a sea change in perspective.
 

Muse

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It's a challenge to get much done under minority rule.
That's part of the sea change we need. Domination of politics by virtue of my-political-machine is where I stand, fuck you even if you are in the right has to change if we're going to survive. We need leaders, people of integrity and conviction, people who are motivated, willing, able and committed to doing what's best, not sheep too afraid to challenge the apparatus in place.
 
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