We're having government shutdowns over arguments regarding where to shuffle money around. We've got a bill to ban bump-fire stocks that's stalled despite the fact that nobody's really even defending them, how in shits name do you see us as a country getting enough inertia to ban something that has a higher percentage of per-capita ownership than personal vehicles.It's entirely possible to put the cat back in the back if we decided to IMO. I think the number of people who would actually cause trouble is very very very small. It sometimes feels like more if you spend much time at the range or in stores because they naturally are in those places anyway but not as a proportion of the overall population.
No no no.....cash and contributions!
We're having government shutdowns over arguments regarding where to shuffle money around. We've got a bill to ban bump-fire stocks that's stalled despite the fact that nobody's really even defending them, how in shits name do you see us as a country getting enough inertia to ban something that has a higher percentage of per-capita ownership that personal vehicles.
Oh yea, just because I know you love it... statistically 14 innocent victims have died from second hand smoke since this thread was posted. What have you guys done about it? What have you demanded from our government, what have you said to your congressman about that? Ok, if none of those, how many threads have you started about this killer? However, when anyone dies from a firearm? Whoooooo boy! Had a double post on this one today!
Not even things that will kill you. Say you live in a city that has legal marijuana, You love your MJ and now the government makes it all illegal. Do you turn it in for cash and never do it again? Nope you stash it under the mattress like you were doing before it was legal. This is like working in IT. Once you give the users something, it is extremely hard to take it away or change without a lot of grumbling. This would be a million times that. I am a conceal carry gun owner, but I know something has to be done. This was 19 shootings this year and that is not counting cities like Chicago where 59 have died and 260+ have been shot. If the government/police would offer a buyback program for illegal guns in every city, how many do you think would come forward? They would have to be promised not to get fined or put in jail or I am sure none would show. The problem is not legal ownership, it is guns are too easily accessible without even stepping foot in a store. I wouldn't mind a long waiting period, say two weeks. You go fill out the paperwork and they do a REAL background check, then you can pick it up if all is good. My last gun I bought I was in the gun shop for 15 minutes tops.Yeah, right. How about nuclear material? Anthrax? A private stash of polio or smallpox virus? How dangerous to ban things? Get real.
Yeah, make it illegal to own them. You'll find out that there are fewer and fewer and fewer of them out there over time. What use is a gun to someone who's going to jail when outed?
Student David Hogg who survived the school shooting looks directly in the camera, and sends a message to President Trump and lawmakers: “Please, take action. Ideas are great… But what’s more important is actual action… saving thousands of children’s lives. Please, take action.”
Very true on all points. I don't see a practical legislation at this time, and unless we start a smoking-level brainwashing campaign (let's be honest, that's what it was, for good reason) for the next few decades I don't see it happening any time in the near future. The US populace has decided that morgues full of dead children isn't enough of an impetus to make a gun ban happen, so I don't really see anything doing it.Absent something that dramatically shifts public opinion the political will doesn't exist. Doesn't mean that it won't at some point in the future or that as demographics shift public opinion changes. I was focusing more on the legal and practical nature of what sensible policy might look like not the prospects for immediate implementation, which are nonexistent currently.
Also gun ownership on a household basis has dramatically declined over the last couple decades while gun sales exploded. A small number of people bought an utter shitload of guns. The actual number of people this would effect is a lot smaller than most people would conceive.
Strip it as a right.
First, balm the second amendment with bolt action rifles. Redirect it as granting you a right to those sort of firearms.
But rapid fire / semi automatics? We make those a privilege accessible to only trained professionals who are screened.
We prevent the sale and transfer. It won't make a large difference at first, but each decade that passes it'll filter out more ownership.
But most importantly, crazies like this !@#$ won't be able to just run to a store and fulfill his dream of mass murder.
Cruz always had his hair short and had a penchant for wearing patriotic shirts that “seemed really extreme, like hating on” Islam, Parodie said. The suspected gunman would also deride Muslims as “terrorists and bombers.”
“I’ve seen him wear a Trump hat,” the student said.
Very true on all points. I don't see a practical legislation at this time, and unless we start a smoking-level brainwashing campaign (let's be honest, that's what it was, for good reason) for the next few decades I don't see it happening any time in the near future. The US populace has decided that morgues full of dead children isn't enough of an impetus to make a gun ban happen, so I don't really see anything doing it.
I'll still carry the flag for a dramatic increase in mental health spending, on the order of an Apollo or Manhattan project level of commitment from the government. In fact, the recent tax break for the rich would have been a wonderful place to start, all of that should have been shunted into a mental health moonshot program instead. I would be willing to accept the tax consequences of that.
Agreed completely, glad to see there's at least someone else out there concerned with the root of this rather than just chasing the tools around.The US should spend more on mental health. A ton more. Beyond treatment we should look at the root causes of violence more clearly and attack them directly. Some of it is environmental and some social/economic.
Do you oppose a border wall? If so, is the basis rooted in that it won't be a perfect solution immediately and therefore we should do nothing? I hear that one a lot. There is a lot of violence and death associated with our open borders.But it won't be a perfect solution immediately so we should do nothing.
The distance to get there is very, very long. Tucson had a program of destroying guns confiscated from criminals. The Arizona legislature passed a law making it illegal for cities to do this and requires cities to auction off confiscated guns, putting the guns right back in circulation. Gun nuts are in the same league as anti-choice nuts when it comes to rational policies.-A targeted & generous buy back program to accelerate the rundown of available supply.
I also agree as long as we also explore the drugs being used to treat mental illness. The commercials for many of these medications that include disclaimers that they may cause suicidal thoughts or actions come to mind.The US should spend more on mental health. A ton more. Beyond treatment we should look at the root causes of violence more clearly and attack them directly. Some of it is environmental and some social/economic but we need to drill down and start finding out.
Agreed completely, glad to see there's at least someone else out there concerned with the root of this rather than just chasing the tools around.
No, the argument against the border wall is that it will not be cost effective.Do you oppose a border wall? If so, is the basis rooted in that it won't be a perfect solution immediately and therefore we should do nothing? I hear that one a lot. There is a lot of violence and death associated with our open borders.
I also agree as long as we also explore the drugs being used to treat mental illness. The commercials for many of these medications that include disclaimers that they may cause suicidal thoughts or actions come to mind.
The distance to get there is very, very long. Tucson had a program of destroying guns confiscated from criminals. The Arizona legislature passed a law making it illegal for cities to do this and requires cities to auction off confiscated guns, putting the guns right back in circulation. Gun nuts are in the same league as anti-choice nuts when it comes to rational policies.
Honestly, if we had enough of a mental health wellness reform, we wouldn't *have* to address the 'firearm problem' since it wouldn't be a problem, it'd just be a part of our culture (albeit morbid). The US has a fetish will violence that extends well beyond firearms, when was the last time you saw a superhero who's superpower didn't involve force in some way? Like, Sherlock Holmes? He wasn't even ours.It would yield benefits well beyond just firearm murders since that's one category of violent crime in this country. The justice system as we know it could also use a massive dose of reform so that we actually rehabilitate people rather than simply putting them in shitty dehumanizing waiting rooms.
I think a semi-auto ban should just be one piece of a far larger overall strategy that doesn't only focus on the weapons themselves.
Absent something that dramatically shifts public opinion the political will doesn't exist. Doesn't mean that it won't at some point in the future or that as demographics shift public opinion changes. I was focusing more on the legal and practical nature of what sensible policy might look like not the prospects for immediate implementation, which are nonexistent currently.
Also gun ownership on a household basis has dramatically declined over the last couple decades while gun sales exploded. A small number of people bought an utter shitload of guns. The actual number of people this would effect is a lot smaller than most people would conceive.
Honestly, if we had enough of a mental health wellness reform, we wouldn't *have* to address the 'firearm problem' since it wouldn't be a problem, it'd just be a part of our culture (albeit morbid). The US has a fetish will violence that extends well beyond firearms, when was the last time you saw a superhero who's superpower didn't involve force in some way? Like, Sherlock Holmes? He wasn't even ours.