Aren't we in a civil war? Turn on the news. We easily have the most divisive culture out of any peaceful country. Our news probably more closesly mirrors that of Syria than of any EU country.
The only country that beats US in terms of mass shootings per capita is Yemen. Think about that. A country in the midst of a civil war is the only one with more occurrences than a "peaceful" country like the United States.
Yeah I posted this in one of the other mass shooting threads. While gun nuts point to the number of guns owned going up the number of owners isn't increasing. The number of "super collectors" is.
So enlighten us. Root cause is...I'm sorry that you wish to avoid the root cause of the problem.
Thus my peaceful in quotes. We still aren't talking about a hot civil war in the U.S. Just a state of dialogue where my team takes precedent over any middle of the road productive discussion that might actually help. On ANY topic.Aren't we in a civil war? Turn on the news. We easily have the most divisive culture out of any peaceful country. Our news probably more closesly mirrors that of Syria than of any EU country.
Depends on what you mean by 'as easy'. Germany's a great example, for instance. AR-15's are perfectly legal, easier to obtain than the US arguably, and they have laxer gun laws (no law regarding arbitrary magazine size ownership, for instance). They've had two mass shootings in the last decade that didn't involve mob violence.What about opportunity? Are those in other countries able to, as easily, if they wanted to?
Key phrase: If it works. There is no reason to believe it will work to reduce the cost of illegal immigration by $67 billion. That's why I said "cost effective."
I'm very aware of that, but you're going to be hard pressed to convince me that firearms are making everyone insane, child killing monsters.The only country that beats US in terms of mass shootings per capita is Yemen. Think about that. A country in the midst of a civil war is the only one with more occurrences than a "peaceful" country like the United States.
GOP is not doing anything about reducing those other forms of death either.Our media makes money the exact same way the entertainment industry does. Gun violence is a big click generator. Other much more frequent forms of death aren't, and the brainedwashed masses don't care about those other things while waging an illogical war on guns.
You forgot 1a Group conference with Fox News and NRA to coordinate the response.Republican Decision Tree – Gun Violence / Mass Shooting Response
1.0 Identify Shooter
1.1 If shooter is non-white or an immigrant, go to 2.0
1.2 If shooter is white, go to 3.0.
2.0 - Immediately propose sweeping and aggressive action to show strength and resolve. Examples can include overhauling immigration (numbers, screening, etc.), border walls, stop and frisk, profiling (racial or otherwise), more police, greater access to guns, etc.
3.0 - Offer thoughts and prayers. If necessary, point out that it’s too soon to politicize such a tragedy.
Spot on!Republican Decision Tree – Gun Violence / Mass Shooting Response
1.0 Identify Shooter
1.1 If shooter is non-white or an immigrant, go to 2.0
1.2 If shooter is white, go to 3.0.
2.0 - Immediately propose sweeping and aggressive action to show strength and resolve. Examples can include overhauling immigration (numbers, screening, etc.), border walls, stop and frisk, profiling (racial or otherwise), more police, greater access to guns, etc.
3.0 - Offer thoughts and prayers. If necessary, point out that it’s too soon to politicize such a tragedy.
MA has 19th lowest gun murder rate though. So a lot of that is made up by having a very low gun suicide rate with a relatively average gun murder rate.
DC has almost double the gun murder rate of the 2nd highest, so I mean most data points to it being a socioeconomic issue and not a regulation issue.
Interesting comments from former GOP rep David Jolly.GOP is not doing anything about reducing those other forms of death either.
Jolly said Republicans refuse to enact any gun control laws, even after a member of Congress was shot at a baseball practice last year.
“The idea of gun policy in the Republican party is to try to get a speaking slot at the NRA and prove to that constituency that you are further right than generations past on guns,” Jolly said.
Then, he called on voters to take to the ballot box in November:
“If this is the issue that defines your ideology as a voter, there are two things I would suggest tonight. First, flip the House. Flip the House. Republicans are not going to do a single thing after this shooting we saw today.”
Well the irony has always been... this is a free country and majority rules... yet there are laws. So throw that idea of free reign out the window - we have to.
the states within NE are surrounded by other like-mided states with effective gun control. DC is not, just like Chicago/Illinois. These regions border Yosemite Sam gun-nutter states, so it's kinda hard to make those laws more effective than they kinda already are. Perhaps progressive gun-control states that care for the lives of their citizens should build Trump-like walls around their states to keep the gun nutters out...and make the gun nutters pay for it?
let's do it!
The FBI was warned in September about a possible school shooting threat from a YouTube user with the same name as the suspect in Wednesday's campus massacre in Parkland, Florida, according to a video blogger.
Interesting comments from former GOP rep David Jolly.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/david-jolly-flip-the-house_us_5a85274ae4b0774f31d1f615
Depends on what you mean by 'as easy'. Germany's a great example, for instance. AR-15's are perfectly legal, easier to obtain than the US arguably, and they have laxer gun laws (no law regarding arbitrary magazine size ownership, for instance). They've had two mass shootings in the last decade that didn't involve mob violence.
Interesting comments from former GOP rep David Jolly.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/david-jolly-flip-the-house_us_5a85274ae4b0774f31d1f615
Sad to say - As long as gun ownership is a fundamental right in this country, massacres like this are embedded in the Constitution.
Number of shootings per century
The number per year is one, unless otherwise indicated.
18th century
During the 18th century there was 1 incident of a shooting during the year 1764 (by American Indians).
19th century
total
During the 19th century there were 28 shootings:
break-down
The first shooting was during the year 1840, later shootings occurred during the years 53, 56, 58, 60, 64, 67 (3 shootings), 68, 71, 72, 73, 74 (2), 78, 79, 81 (2), 82 (2), 83 (2), 84 (3), 87, 89, 90 (2), 91 (2), 92 (2), 93, 94, 98.
20th century
total
There were 226 shootings during the 20th century:
break-down
- During the first decade of the 20th century there were 15 (the first shooting was during 1903 (2), 1904 (3), 1905 (2), 1907 (2), 1908 (2), 1909 (4).
- During the second decade there were 19. (1910 (3), 1911, 1912 (2), 1914, 1915 (2), 1916 (2), 1917 (2), 1918 (2), 1919 (3).
- The 3rd : 10 (1920 (7), 22 (2), 26).
- The 1930's : 9 (30, 31, 34, 35, 36 (2), 37 (2), 38).
- The 5th decade: 8 (40 (2), 42, 46, 47, 48, 49 (2)).
- The 6th : 17 (50, 51 (4), 52 (2), 53, 54 (2), 55, 56 (2), 57, 58 (2), 59).
- During the 1960's : 18 (60 (3), 61 (2), 66 (4), 67, 68 (4), 69 (4)).
- The 8th decade: 30 (70 (5), 71 (2), 73 (2), 74 (4), 75 (3), 76 (3), 77, 78 (7), 79 (3)).
- The 9th : 39 (80 (4), 81 (3), 82 (3), 83, 84 (4), 85 (5), 86 (5), 87 (5), 88 (6), 89 (3)).
- The 10th: 62 shootings (90 (2), 91 (6), 92 (5), 93 (9), 94 (10), 95 (4), 96 (7), 97 (6), 98 (7), 99 (6)).
Requires age 18 or above for gun ownership, 25 or above for hunting/competition shooting (so actual purchase of a firearm can be done at 18). The 25 year restriction for hunting/competition shooting is above the US, but 18 for ownership is not. There's a background check (same for US), a mental health eval for purchasers under 25 which we do not have, but that's something that would halt a background check if it was known beforehand. Note, that mental health check is for only under 25.Calling BS on that.
Strip it as a right.
First, balm the second amendment with bolt action rifles. Redirect it as granting you a right to those sort of firearms.
But rapid fire / semi automatics? We make those a privilege accessible to only trained professionals who are screened.
We prevent the sale and transfer. It won't make a large difference at first, but each decade that passes it'll filter out more ownership.
But most importantly, crazies like this !@#$ won't be able to just run to a store and fulfill his dream of mass murder.
I've got a much better idea. Give all blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, and illegal immigrants free and unfettered access to AR-15's with virtually no restrictions whatsoever.
That'll probably spook the GOP to make any actual changes to gun laws.
Requires age 18 or above for gun ownership, 25 or above for hunting/competition shooting (so actual purchase of a firearm can be done at 18). The 25 year restriction for hunting/competition shooting is above the US, but 18 for ownership is not. There's a background check (same for US), a mental health eval for purchasers under 25 which we do not have, but that's something that would halt a background check if it was known beforehand. Note, that mental health check is for only under 25.
Suppressors require a license if the gun requires a gun-specific license, otherwise they do not. Magazines are only restricted for sports shooters, in which case it's limited to 10 rounds or less. Possession of arbitrary sized clips/magazines is otherwise unrestricted.
Owners are required to have insurance (we don't), and required to secure weapons on-premises in some kind of weapons locker (we don't).
To obtain a license, you have to be not a felon, not have a history of mental disorder, or not have issues with drug/alcohol addiction, or violence, that last part is a bit beyond what the US normally monitors, I believe, unless it ends up in the FBI's database and they care enough.
Actually purchasing a firearm is straightforward if you have your license, and there's no substantial restrictions beyond what the US restricts (no anti-armor weaponry, no explosive crap, etc). And there's a few notable examples of them being more lenient, like aforementioned clip sizes. There's probably a few more examples. I'll also note that it seems like Germany is generally considered the most restrictive of EU nations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany