It's it odd how what is agenda REALLY his here is the promote the NRA... (with a side helping of fluffing Trump every chance he gets).
This will be the first year since I was 18 that I won't be renewing...
This sort of thinking is exactly what has helped create the mass murder we had yesterday.
Truthfully, people like you is why nothing gets done. You're so focused on attempting to appear "non-partisan" with your false equivalencies that you give cover to the true partisans on this issue. So, instead of your meaningless platitudes why don't you give us some of these "middle" ground ideas you propose.
I'm ok if people are charged or lose their ownership rights if they have a firearm lost or stolen that was not secured in any way (properly).
I'm ok if you've been charged with domestic violence that you lose your guns and ability to purchase... Some states already have this.
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I personally have no issues with any of these. It gives reasonable restrictions, as well as heaps of responsibility on top of gun owners. 2A advocates should have no issues with that, since they're normally pronouncing how rugged and individualistic they are anyhow. 2A detractors should only complain about it not going far enough, but at least it's in the right direction. You'll have some difficulty with the magazine part I imagine, since they're relatively easy to produce. It'd have to be outlawed completely which is complicated in our political climate.Yep... Because partisanship is clearly the path forward.
I'm ok with not allowing private sales in the roughly 30 states that still allow them. Always have been. Lets be clear that doing away with private sales addresses what many call the gun show loophole.
I'm ok with mandated firearm safety training and even permitting to even own one along with a prescribed renewal of that training. Shit, we require it for hunters already... While that can be argued away as not the same it is indeed pretty similar.
I'm ok with ZERO strike rules on those who commit crimes with firearms. The amount of criminal recidivism in regard to gun crime is ridiculous.
I'm ok with charging the parent/owner of a firearm used by a child that causes harm or death in an accidental or intentional way to also be charged with accessory murder.
I'm ok with failure to report a stolen/lost weapon that if traced back to you in the commission of crime results in charges.
I'm ok if people are charged or lose their ownership rights if they have a firearm lost or stolen that was not secured in any way (properly).
I'm ok if you've been charged with domestic violence that you lose your guns and ability to purchase... Some states already have this.
I'm ok with AR's and other types considered military styled only being sold to the public that do not actually accept what today are considered standard or high capacity magazines. At that point they become no different than any other hunting or target focused firearm.
Now...That is actually some middle ground and I bet you don't see it that way... and keep in mind that is a snapshot. There are certainly a lot of things we can do and should do all at once that address the issue of who can own/retain or buy a firearm that still preserves the 2A for most people. The gun fanatics would paint me a gun grabber and left wing. The gun control crowd would paint me a gun nut.
WD is beginning to sound like a NRA bot.Try answering the question. You guys are in charge of everything now. What do you propose to mitigate this crisis? More do nothing??
Question, how is hunting safety training monitored/enforced now? When I sold hunting licenses, they certainly didn't need to present anything other than a debit card.
im only addressing these 2 items.
being charges and convicted are 2 diff things
innocent until proven guilty.
Ban all guns except registered pistols and real* hunting rifles.
One registered pistol and two registered hunting rifles per person. You get a title for each gun.
Limit amount of ammunition you can purchase per month.
Buy back programs for them, after 2 years it would be a felony to own an unregistered gun without title unless you have a special permit (rare.)
No gun show sales
Private sales illegal without transfer of gun title.
- No silencers
- No gun modifications "adapters" that increase amount of ammo or fire rate.
- No open carry on our streets at all period.
- No concealed carry unless you have a damn good reason.
- No immediate gun purchases.
- Complete background check.
- 10 day waiting list.
- Impeach Trump
- I don't care if your Annie Oakley before you purchase a gun you first have to take a firearm safety class.
Now seeing news items saying he was a member of a Florida white supremacy group called Republic of Florida and that group is saying he participated in their training exercises, according to that groups leader.
https://www.adl.org/blog/florida-wh...-alleged-parkland-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz
Again, firm 2A supporter since young enough to hunt with Dad... That said, it is REALLY telling which forum members stick their heels into the dirt when something like this happens. It actually emboldens them. See Obama AR-15 sales for proof...
Again, I will not be renewing and have spoken with several co-workers I hunt and shoot with who won't be renewing either... The tide is starting to ebb against the NRA...
As well it should...
This is actually correct. We need debate. We need competing ideas.Yep... Because partisanship is clearly the path forward.
I personally have no issues with any of these. It gives reasonable restrictions, as well as heaps of responsibility on top of gun owners. 2A advocates should have no issues with that, since they're normally pronouncing how rugged and individualistic they are anyhow. 2A detractors should only complain about it not going far enough, but at least it's in the right direction. You'll have some difficulty with the magazine part I imagine, since they're relatively easy to produce. It'd have to be outlawed completely which is complicated in our political climate.
Question, how is hunting safety training monitored/enforced now? When I sold hunting licenses, they certainly didn't need to present anything other than a debit card.
EDIT: with a caveat of the charged vs convicted thing... I think multiple un-convicted charges should probably factor in somewhere, if you've been convicted of beating multiple women, either you're beating multiple women and getting away with it, or your decision making is ... questionable.
This is the type of rights limiting stuff that makes me support mass murders.
Never been a member. Have thought about joining 2nd Amendment foundation or the like, but never the NRA. It is too late for the NRA to change course and get back to a big part of what they were about at one time... Firearm education/safety. NRA is still the defacto bar to meet for certification for training courses and so forth. Maybe another org needs to rise up and unseat them.
Only Revolvers, and bolt action or breach load rifles.
As long as they are breach load or bolt action, I don't think I would be against allowing people to collect them.
Once again, if you limit the fire rate of the weapon, like a breach load or bolt action rifle, the ammo amount is not that important.
Agreed, also keep the buyback program running indefinitely. Anyone can, at any time, sell back a gun to the government with no questions asked.
Gun shows are not really a problem as far as I can tell. As long as they have to follow all the other rules (which they do), and the dealers have an appropriate permanent to sell firearms, then it should be no problem.
Private sales of firearms should be illegal in general. If you want to sell a firearm you need a dealer permit to do so. We can treat the sale of firearms a lot like the sell of prescription drugs.
Agreed. Well, the Trump thing is not really a part of firearm reform.
Also add:
A national database of all manufactured and registered firearms that includes information on who they are registered to (similar to a drivers license), serial numbers of the firearm, and, where appropriate, ballistic information matching the firearm.
Any time a person is carrying a firearm they must also carry their firearm permit. A card a lot like a drivers license that includes their picture, a description of the firearm, and electronic information on the person and the firearm.
Disposal of a registered firearm needs to be done through an approved agent, either a registered dealer (who will report the destruction of the firearm to the national database) or the local government, with hearty fines for failure to do so.
Loss of a registered firearm must be reported in a reasonable time frame, failure to do so can incur a hearty fine.
Understood, we only sold long guns at Wally world, so no CCW's were needed (though it sped up the NICS call a lot). Calls were normally on the spot, no waiting period. Nothing was needed for the hunting permit 'cept an ID and money.When I still hunted in NYS state I had to have taken a hunter's safety course to get my hunting license for the season. I had to show my certificate to do so. That will vary by state. Here in NC in order to purchase a handgun I have to show my CCW permit. Lacking a permit I have to head down to the sheriffs office, pay fr a pre-background check and separate purchase permit and wait up to 45 days for the purchase permit to be approved.
That's actually a pretty good idea. That'll be a tough climb for their heir apparent...
This is the type of rights limiting stuff that makes me donate to the NRA.
Makes you wonder if how prevalent societal self-destruction is for Fermi Paradox resolutions. We're sure doing our part.Hey guys, we should be celebrating the fact that there was only ONE school shooting yesterday, and that toddlers in a day care weren't part of the bodycount!
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/i...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
Rifle-wielding father tries to storm Alabama daycare; worker hailed as hero for blocking entry
The ordeal began about 2 p.m. at the small daycare on Dewey Drive off of Friendship Road near Oxford. Wade said they received a 911 call from the daycare reporting a man with a gun. Sheriff's deputies, Oxford police and even a game warden who was nearby and heard the police radio call, flocked to the scene.
When they arrived, Turner was already gone. The daycare worker told lawmen the man went to the daycare demanding his 1-year-old daughter.
The worker, whose name hasn't been released, refused to let him inside. While she blocked his way, she also instructed other workers to usher all of the children into a room to keep them safe should he make entry.
Turner then threatened to drive his truck through into the daycare, Wade said. He went to his truck and retrieved a rifle. "He threatened to kill everyone in the building,'' he said.